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There are bad takes.....but congrats....this wins by a TKO....(pun intended)
How about instead of just insulting me you actually tell me what is incorrect in what I said. I'm not excusing Howard. I've said multiple times in this thread that Howard should be suspended for at least the rest of the regular season and possibly even the B10 tournament for totally losing his cool and attacking the assistant coach. The ONLY thing I'm saying here is that the Wisconsin coach isn't innocent in this. His trying to force Howard to stop and interact is what led to the rest. If you can't see that, you're either blind or biased. That's not even an opinion. Look at the video. It's all right there. Howard doing an obvious blowby and smarting off, but Gard grabbing him, turning him, and forcing a conversation. Look. At. The. Video. Open your eyes.
As for Howard, since he has lost his cool before, this may be the end for him at Michigan. He is similar in many ways to what we've seen from Penny Hardaway at Memphis, a former player with a big name who can recruit some but who hadn't shown the coaching acumen to do well at a the high D1 level.
And it is highly likely that Gard would have walked on by if Howard had not said, "I will remember that". Howard was pressing and Gard called a timeout, big deal. Howard used a timeout seconds before Gard called a timeout. I agree with you that Howard should not be fired but since he had a similar, in some ways worse, incident against Maryland last year, he should be suspended for the remainder of the regular season, at a minimum.
While rare, I find myself having to agree with you to some degree. From what I have seen from Howard, if the tables were turned, he would have been just as upset had Gard pressed.
I agree his defense was very weak. So weak that I think he threw in a lie to make it look like Gard did even more than we all saw. Howard is not Woke, as you say. Woke simply means aware. He is totally unaware that his behavior is unacceptable.
at one time both Howard and Penny were rumored to become assistants at UK we avoided 2 bullets there
Suspended?
If I go to work and have a physical altercation with someone, I'm in the unemployment line.
Actually this wins by KO. People are entitled to see the situation the way they choose to. To say they are wrong because they see it differently than you is simply asinine. None of us were there, we are going on video. None of us know how much pressure Gard used when grabbing Howard. What we do know is the grab was enough to physically stop Howard as he was walking by? Howard repeatedly said don't touch me. We don't know what that assistant coach said to Howard to result in the slap. It's easy to say that Howard shouldn't have slapped him and he shouldn't have. It's also possible to say that the slap was provoked by the coach in something he said. He could have said something racial. He could have said something about Howards family. There are any number of things that could have been said to illicit that response from Howard even though the response was wrong. All of those things can be true at the same time.
Who am I apologizing to? The coach who punched another coach in the handshake line?
We all know that sports works differently though. You simply cannot compare the real world with the sports world. It's never been the same and will never be the same.
Not gonna go back and read through all the posts, but Juwan Howard clearly has anger issues. Needs to grow up. Both teams are entitled to play to the whistle no matter the score. His team was getting their *** beat and he wasn't happy. Michigan played Ohio State last week and was down 14 points with 30 seconds left and Michigan called a time out. Get over yourself Juwan. If you want to be mad at someone for calling a Timeout, reach out to Chris Webber and vent your frustration.
That being said, I think a fine and 3 game suspension is okay.
That being said, I think a fine and 3 game suspension is okay.
Thats why I said at a minimum.
Whatever the punishment, there will be many people upset about it.
How about to everyone you Insulted by insinuating all black people pull the race card when it makes their life easier.
Nothing racial was said.Howard did not use race during his presser.Trust me,if a racial slur had been said the whole world would know about it.
Regardless,it is unacceptable for a coach to behave in that manner.Gard should be suspended simply for stopping Howard.Let him walk on by and that's it.However,Howard blowed a fuse and absolutely has anger issues.His *** would have done been fired if Michigan really wanted to do the right thing.
My perspective on it is simple.Completely unacceptable and if Cal,whom I love as our coach,had of done it,I'd be advocating for his *** to be fired as well.
You can say nothing racial was said but unless you were in the middle you do not know that with certainty. Let me be clear, I don’t think anything racial was said but we don’t know for sure what was said but they certainly weren’t exchanging well wishes. We won’t ever know for sure what was said but there are certain things that will
Push anyone to throwing hands (me included) so it is reasonable to think one of those things was said to JH. He can have anger issues and still be pushed too far. Both of those can be true.
Yep.....I'm sure that would have been IMMEDIATELY brought up since there were only about 100 people around them. I mean how can anyone take anything you say (or type) seriously.
Gracious.....
Believe what you will but Howard NEVER said anything about a racial slur or about race in general during his presser after the game.If anything racial was said then I'm sure the whole world would know about it.It wouldnt have been kept quiet amongst those involved.
Nothing racial was said unless he now uses it to somehow save his job.
I have to agree with this assessment, he clearly grabs him, turns and gets back in front of him as Howard tries to blow by. He initiated the contact and the confrontation.
So you think Gard should just let Howard mouth off and say nothing? Grab him and point his finger in his face. Howard initiated this whole thing.
Gard got him by the arm to talk. Can't believe this is your take after watching those videos.
I guess Cal got in Adams face if this is your logic and reasonong skills.
Suspended? He hit another coach in the head and face. Good grief man. What is your deal with all of this?
Howaerd then lied in the presser afterwards. My goodness. Wake up.
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So Howard walking toward him shouting "I'll remember that timeout" repeatedly did nothing to cause any of this? Grd got him be the arm to talk. Howard immediately amped up everything. He was looking to start something and he did.
You're really wrong on this but keep digging for some reason.
If LowCountryCat and I can agree on this, it must be true. And I'm just messing with you LCC.
If you would allow words alone to "push you to throwing hands," you may have a problem.
Yes, Gard should have let Howard say whatever he was saying as they were passing by and kept it pushing. It was clear their was tension from the beginning. Howard went to the back of the line, he didn’t lead from the front. It’s pretty obvious he was pissed off about something. Howard was gonna do the ol blow by until Hard put his hands on him.
And even then, none of that absolves Howard of his actions. He was totally in the wrong for swinging on another coach and being non apologetic afterwards. In all honesty, he should be fired because this is his second offense. But that doesn’t mean Gard is completely innocent in this because he isn’t.
An insult for making a TKO joke about a bad take???? A little thin skinned there..But I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
How many times on this board have you complained about coaches having the same type interaction after a game but no punches thrown? My guess is ZERO. This similar scenario occurs probably dozens times a year with all the college games that are played. Why were you silent then? Easy answer....because one of those coaches didn't resort to throwing a punch.
Gard tries to explain why he called a TO and HOT HEAD Howard can't handle it. And yet you want to partially blame Gard because Howard can't act like a man (or a college head coach in charge of players)?
Yea, I guess if Gard knew ahead of time that Howard would go punk instead of being a man, he could have waited to say something. Silly Greg Gard for not being a mind reader.
I see your point Cawood, only problem with Gard is that he grabbed him. He could have just said "call me" and then raked him over the coals in the postgame. Maybe his biggest mistake was misjudging who he was dealing with, Howard is clearly an angry guy. Either way, he shouldn't have touched him. But Howard should be suspended/fired for sure. Guy is a loose cannon and in no way should be in a position of leadership teaching young men how to conduct themselves.
He was mouthing way before Gard got to him. He was wanting to start something. Gard stopped to talk to him and that was just what Howard wanted. He wanted for something to happen. This is all on him.
It was the grabbing and impeding his ability to leave that proceeded the words being exchanged. If all that had happened to anyone of us In a bar, we all would have done what JH did. Anyone that says differently is a liar.
Nope. Howard wanted something to happen. He instigated by mouthing repeatedly to Gard. He made sure something happened. As soon as Gard stopped and touched him, he made sure to escalate it. Not giving Howard a pass. He wanted it to happen. Lied in the post game presser to boot.
Your point is fair but you are leaving out the obvious here. There is a legality to an 'offensive touching,' called assault and battery. If someone wants to remain completely blameless in a confrontation, they must avoid initiating contact. Gard did not do so. He's not entirely to blame, nor is he even mostly to blame. But he is not blameless. Some people react strongly to being touched, just as they would to being called 'boy.' Gard screwed up. That in no way excuses Howard, nor should it lessen his punishment. He's a grown man and is responsible for his own actions.
Yeah Howard wanted to get his verbal shots in, but I rewatched the video and he is clearly trying to get by Gard, who intercepted him and changed his own trajectory in order to do so. Gard should not have taken the bait.
I think Howard called Gard a CHILD MOLESTER as they approached each other.
Now I didn't actually hear anything like that, but you know it's a possibility and you can't disagree me with because....science or some other space cadet reasoning.
I apologize to @IL Wildcat..
His take is not even remotely close to your "what could have been possibly said" to cause the punch to be thrown.
Wow, thanks for reminding me why I've blocked you for over a year. You have some of the worst takes I've ever seen. I was curious so I peeked. Back to ignore you go.
He is partially to blame. Gard doesn’t get to determine when or even if JH has to talk to him. That isn’t his decision to make. Grabbing his arm and then standing in front of him preventing him from leaving intensified the situation. Like I posted a minute ago, if someone did that at a bar when you didn’t want to talk to them, your response would’ve been the same as JH.