Fauci this morning.....

thatsbaseball

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Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government's top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday, as people in and around the country's outbreak epicenter of New York were urged to limit their travel to contain the scourge.
The dire prediction came from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking on CNN's “State of the Union.” As of Sunday morning, the U.S. had about 125,000 infections and 2,200 deaths.
 

msstate7

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ETA... i figured this wrong. US population is 340 million, not the 34 million I used for some reason.

100000 deaths would be 294 per million (1.8x worse than Italy)
200000 deaths would be 588 per million (3.5x worse than Italy)

Apologies
 
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Shmuley

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Dear China, Prepare Thy Anus. Sincerely, The Rest of the World.
 
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Let’s say 10 million Americans get the virus and the death rate is around 1.5% that’s 150,000 people.
 

msstate7

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Let’s say 10 million Americans get the virus and the death rate is around 1.5% that’s 150,000 people.

Since we have no idea how many people have it, I think deaths per million pop is a better metric. Can't accurately know a death rate without the actual number of cases
 

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Fauci bringing the hard wood to the “open this ***** by Easter” wing of “consultants” in orange man’s ear. Big time fight going on. We’ll see who wins.
 

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Well, I'm seeing a lot of medical people saying Fauchi is shooting too high on purpose to get a point across. They're also saying between 10 days to 3 weeks til peak.
 
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I feel like that may be the case. It’s him just trying to make sure people don’t let their guard down (which is happening more and more).
 

thatsbaseball

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LOL No problem. Being raised a pre-Vatican II Catholic I think doing math on Sunday may be a sin anyway.
 
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Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government's top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday, as people in and around the country's outbreak epicenter of New York were urged to limit their travel to contain the scourge.
The dire prediction came from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking on CNN's “State of the Union.” As of Sunday morning, the U.S. had about 125,000 infections and 2,200 deaths.

am i too pessimistic? with the ease of spread especially from carriers that don't even know they have it - i think 80% of the people will get it. thats a staggering demographic changing number
 

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Fauci bringing the hard wood to the “open this ***** by Easter” wing of “consultants” in orange man’s ear. Big time fight going on. We’ll see who wins.

Seems like basically we have 2 choices, health care system collapse with increased deaths or economic collapse with lots of families having trouble meeting basic financial needs. Choose your poison. Not the best of times for sure.
 

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Well, I'm seeing a lot of medical people saying Fauchi is shooting too high on purpose to get a point across. They're also saying between 10 days to 3 weeks til peak.

The vast majority of Mississippis will not know anyone who has gotten seriously ill from the virus. Many of those will only stay "cooped up" for a few more weeks before resuming normal actives (kids sports, going to restaurants/church, etc.,), hopefully, the worst will be behind us by then.
 

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Ok...new rule needs 2b passed for posters on this site....and all sites being....math has 2B 100% correct....before posts are made.
Get it correct or don’t make the posts...✅
 

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Millions of Americans will be infected by the coronavirus and 100,000 to 200,000 will die, the U.S. government's top infectious-disease expert warned Sunday, as people in and around the country's outbreak epicenter of New York were urged to limit their travel to contain the scourge.
The dire prediction came from Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, speaking on CNN's “State of the Union.” As of Sunday morning, the U.S. had about 125,000 infections and 2,200 deaths.

Let’s talk about how we get to that number. What makes this virus isn’t how dangerous isn’t the mortality rate, it’s how quickly it spreads. It is highly contagious to begin with, our population has no immunity to it, and non-symptomatic or pre-symptomatic people can spread it unknowingly.

There are about 328MM in the US.The assumption being made is that we will reach a level where 30% - 40% of the population will have been infected by the virus barring a vaccine. That’s really the only way to stop it. Vaccine or herd immunity.

It will slow down considerably when we get to that 30-40% mark because the rate of infection will drop significantly. Right now it is estimated that one person infects between 2.2 (US number) and 3 (WHO number). We are social distancing to reduce that number and slow the spread so that we can handle the patients that need care can cared for.

This thing only starts to get better when that number is under 1.

When the rate of infected and recovered people increases, the ability for a person to transmit it lowers because where they would have have encountered 3 people and transmitted it before, now 1 or 2 of those people have immunity and it can’t spread through those channels drastically reducing the infection rate.

Again, we may be able to slow this thing with medicine, but the only defense system this point is immunity by vaccine or antibody.

Does anyone disagree with any of this?
 
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thatsbaseball

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I think what will happen will be the restarting of things in phases and we people do start going back they be expected to practice a whole different level of hygiene and sanitation. Also get used to wearing a mask for some time (when they become available) because that's coming too.
 

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Do you think active measures will ever be attempted to try and see what part of the population has antibodies due to having the disease and recovering without ever being tested ?
 

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Seems like basically we have 2 choices, health care system collapse with increased deaths or economic collapse with lots of families having trouble meeting basic financial needs. Choose your poison. Not the best of times for sure.

This sounds like a path to consider: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html

"We Can Safely Restart the Economy in June. Here’s How.
Get tough now. Test widely to isolate those infected, and slowly revive businesses with workers and customers who have developed immunity."
 
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Let’s talk about how we get to that number. What makes this virus isn’t how dangerous isn’t the mortality rate, it’s how quickly it spreads. It is highly contagious to begin with, our population has no immunity to it, and non-symptomatic or pre-symptomatic people can spread it unknowingly.

There are about 328MM in the US.The assumption being made is that we will reach a level where 30% - 40% of the population will have been infected by the virus barring a vaccine. That’s really the only way to stop it. Vaccine or herd immunity.

It will slow down considerably when we get to that 30-40% mark because the rate of infection will drop significantly. Right now it is estimated that one person infects between 3.2 (US number) and 4 (WHO number). We are social distancing to reduce that number and slow the spread so that we can handle the patients that need care can cared for.

This thing only starts to get better when that number is under 1.

When the rate of infected and recovered people increases, the ability for a person to transmit it lowers because where they would have have encountered 3 people and transmitted it before, now 1 or 2 of those people have immunity and it can’t spread through those channels drastically reducing the infection rate.

Again, we may be able to slow this thing with medicine, but the only defense system this point is immunity by vaccine or antibody.

Does anyone disagree with any of this?
The NEJM article by Fauci from 3/26/20, linked in a previous thread estimates R value of 2.2. One person infects 2.2 others, on average. That's only disagreement I have, for what it's worth. And, I am sure there are other estimates for the R value.

One more thing. Miss state board of health numbers on confirmed cases hasn't totally leveled off, but not showing exponential growth either. 95 new cases yesterday. It's been in the 70's and 80's for the last few days. I know it's early and asymptomatic people are not tested. But with exponential growth shouldn't we be seeing 200, 300, or even 400 new cases a day by now? So, is social distancing working? Warmer weather having an effect? Impossible to know what's going on.
 
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msstate7

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The NEJM article by Fauci from 3/26/20, linked in a previous thread estimates R value of 2.2. One person infects 2.2 others, on average. That's only disagree I have, for what it's worth. And, I am sure there are other estimates for the R value.

One more thing. Miss state board of health numbers on confirmed cases hasn't totally leveled off, but not showing exponential growth either. 95 new cases yesterday. It's been in the 70's and 80's for the last few days. I know it's early and asymptomatic people are not tested. But with exponential growth shouldn't we be seeing 200, 300, or even 400 new cases a day by now? So, is social distancing working? Warmer weather having an effect? Impossible to know what's going on.

I would assume (perhaps incorrectly) that testing numbers are going up too, which would really be a good sign imo
 

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The NEJM article by Fauci from 3/26/20, linked in a previous thread estimates R value of 2.2. One person infects 2.2 others, on average. That's only disagreement I have, for what it's worth. And, I am sure there are other estimates for the R value.

One more thing. Miss state board of health numbers on confirmed cases hasn't totally leveled off, but not showing exponential growth either. 95 new cases yesterday. It's been in the 70's and 80's for the last few days. I know it's early and asymptomatic people are not tested. But with exponential growth shouldn't we be seeing 200, 300, or even 400 new cases a day by now? So, is social distancing working? Warmer weather having an effect? Impossible to know what's going on.

Great catch. Sorry, it’s 2.2 (US) and 3 (WHO). I’ll correct.
 

msstate7

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Ok...new rule needs 2b passed for posters on this site....and all sites being....math has 2B 100% correct....before posts are made.
Get it correct or don’t make the posts...✅

All I missed it by was one 0... who would've thought a zero would make that much difference? Really though, I usually double check math before posting... not sure why I didn't catch 34 million as population
 
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codeDawg

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The NEJM article by Fauci from 3/26/20, linked in a previous thread estimates R value of 2.2. One person infects 2.2 others, on average. That's only disagreement I have, for what it's worth. And, I am sure there are other estimates for the R value.

One more thing. Miss state board of health numbers on confirmed cases hasn't totally leveled off, but not showing exponential growth either. 95 new cases yesterday. It's been in the 70's and 80's for the last few days. I know it's early and asymptomatic people are not tested. But with exponential growth shouldn't we be seeing 200, 300, or even 400 new cases a day by now? So, is social distancing working? Warmer weather having an effect? Impossible to know what's going on.

Corrected the infection rate. Thanks.

There are a few things that are going to limit that rate. Weather (though we don’t know how much yet), population density, social distancing, all have an impact.

I think the efforts to trace social contacts in MS are a great idea because people in small towns have a lower number of people they come into contact with on a daily basis.

BUT, we’re not going to stop it. We’re just going to slow it down until we have a vaccine.
 

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Do you think active measures will ever be attempted to try and see what part of the population has antibodies due to having the disease and recovering without ever being tested ?

There are a huge number of these people, but the value of widespread testing wouldn’t help in the current mediation efforts. It would help us get a better grip on the point at which herd immunity will start reducing the rate of contact, but not much else.
 

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This sounds like a path to consider: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html

"We Can Safely Restart the Economy in June. Here’s How.
Get tough now. Test widely to isolate those infected, and slowly revive businesses with workers and customers who have developed immunity."

2 more months of near total shutdown and THEN bring things back slowly? Yes, that is one way to approach things but that is way more on the economic collapse side of things. Would seem to me that there will be tons and tons of businesses go bankrupt or close in that scenario with millions upon millions out of work. I don't think Washington can print enough money to keep things afloat for 2 more months of total shutdown.
 

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These numbers would cause near collapse of our society, unless they occur over a period of a year or more. There would be too many sick to staff businesses, factories, power plants. Am I wrong?
 
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