Where do you see the towel being thrown?
I also think he will be fine in the long run. His ceiling is higher than Gebbia's is given his athleticism.
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I also think he will be fine in the long run. His ceiling is higher than Gebbia's is given his athleticism.
Who's to say Martinez isn't already a better passer and decision maker than Gebbia in this offense? I don't think anybody really knows at this point.
Well, a reasonable person would conclude that if Martinez was a better passer and decision maker he would have already been named starting QB and would be getting a lions share of the reps.
I agree with you that decision making and passing ability are the #1 and #2 priorities and athleticism is #3. The fact that the qb race is so close and I'm not even sure who is leading right now means that both qb's are pretty equal in their decision making and passing ability.
Again if they were even with 1 & 2 and Martinez is clearly the better runner, the competition would be over.
I don't see why those words wouldn't describe Martinez just as well as Gebbia at this point. Frost's requires the qb to be efficient in making the throws his offense needs to run. That really is no secret. I find it laughable people think Frost's talk of efficiency means that Gebbia is definitely ahead of Martinez.
Especially considering Gebbia is in year two at NU. TMart is in year one and essentially also didn't play his senior HS year. For them to be currently rated "equal" I would think it's just a matter of time for TMart to be the starter. I doubt it will take a long time.
We'll see. I still don't think we know who's actually ahead right now. I do think Frost wants to have 2 qb's ready to go and wants to give the top two plenty of reps.
I love that K-State game as much as anyone. However, that game just hyped up an overrated QB. Sure, he had great straight away speed. He did not have any cuts and could not take contact. It's ok to like the man (not that there's anything wrong with that). Just don't reinvent him.
Do you realize what you just said about TMart? Frost is frothing at the bit to get and have someone with Taylor's particular set of skills, namely his speed. A healthy TM was not only a nightmare for opposing DC's, but opposing defenses as well. Are you on somethin, or what? Gimme some of what your smokin! You said Taylor had no moves just North and South? I don't know what games you were watching, did you so easily forget the legendary run he had against Wiscy in the title game as well as others throughout his career? If so, which I truly think might be the correct answer in the realm of reality! or you just don't know about anything your puttin out there. I've vented, I'm better now!
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Maybe TMart's speed but T. Martinez's decision making was terrible and it would have driven Frost crazy. Great athlete but not a good decision maker and his ball security was terrible. Maybe with Frost's coaching he could have been better, but Martinez did not make good decisions with the ball. The other thing that I don't think Frost would have liked was some of the drama surrounding TMart.Do you realize what you just said about TMart? Frost is frothing at the bit to get and have someone with Taylor's particular set of skills, namely his speed. A healthy TM was not only a nightmare for opposing DC's, but opposing defenses as well. Are you on somethin, or what? Gimme some of what your smokin! You said Taylor had no moves just North and South? I don't know what games you were watching, did you so easily forget the legendary run he had against Wiscy in the title game as well as others throughout his career? If so, which I truly think might be the correct answer in the realm of reality! or you just don't know about anything your puttin out there. I've vented, I'm better now!
I agree. It's funny this is mentioned since I almost started a thread the other day asking people how they thought TM or Armstrong would do in Frost's offense?
My hunch? Both would be riding pine because of their stupid decisions that often led to turnovers
And if it wasn't for Kryptonite he'd like easily rule the world.
Well, I disagree with everybody here. TMart was a supreme threat and if NU had a good defense back then we would have won a couple of Big10 championships and who knows what else.
But we didn't ......so blame that all on TMart. Whatever works for you folks.
So everybody else is wrong and you’re right? That’s what you are claiming here...
I agree that TMart was tremendously talented. And with better defense we win more. But I also agree that he made many bad mistakes and also turned it over way too much.
When healthy, he really didn't have that many turnovers. Say in 2012, threw 23 TDs with 12 ints.....not so horrible. He also led the Big Ten in total yards and pass efficiency and was tabbed by B1G coaches as a first-team all-conference pick.
I don't know where to find how many fumbles he lost.....I do recall he didn't lose that many for a turnover. Maybe just good luck....I don't know.
I do feel confidant that 2012 with T. Frazier's or S. Frost's blackshirts & OLines NU would have been almost unstoppable.
Other than Ohio St, the Big10 in 2012 was pretty awful. I believe Northwestern finished as the highest ranked Big10 team at #16 (with Ohio St being great, but on probation).
Shoot even the terrible Mike Riley finished higher than Pelini.
Excuses, excuses, excuses......ho hum.
What?? Smiling Mike finished higher than Bo in what? He certainly didn't in wins, that's for damn sure.
I a qb that can’t process quickly or throw the ball consistently negates their running but you guys can keep arguing
I am not a fan of Taylor Martinez. Never hid that fact. However, you are quoting me for something that is unrelated to that. I was quoting TheBeav815 when I posted that.
My point on TM was that he had blazing speed. However teams figured him out quickly and just came right at him and made him make that decision. Usually, it was a poor one. He couldn't out-juke anyone and went down at the slightest contact. Then there were those arm punts. So, no B1G champions with TM under center or with Bo under headset. There were quite a few screws rolling around on the turf between the two of them.
But but but... NINE WINS!
Excuses? What am I trying to excuse?
It's a fact that Riley finished higher in the final rankings than Pelini in 2012. It's a fact that the Big10 in 2012, outside of Ohio St, was horrid.
Ha ha so why do we count 1997 as a title year?? Polling?? Nah. Couldn’t be. Ha ha ha ha.
Cmon man!!! Year two? For real? Posts like this are why it’s hard to have a real conversation. They have both been in Frost’s system since January. Period. End of discussion.
I think you mean AMart
And Tuco is correct. This is year one for Gebbia in Frost's system.
TMart gets shortchanged a lot because some people didn't like his personality. People always blamed him no matter how many points the defense gave up.
He was a good enough passer to punish people when he could run. Defenses figured him out when he was injured and couldn't run and had to rely on the passing game exclusively. The straight-line speed only was a bit of a myth as well. He might not have been a jitterbug, but he had plenty of TDs that involved weaving this way and that.
Some of his interceptions came trying to force things when they were playing from behind.
He was careless with the football though. I think he led the nation in fumbles two years in a row. Maybe Frost/Verduzco would have drilled that out of him. Who knows?
I just don't like dissing players, current or former. Especially those who contributed to so many wins around here.
He was a good enough passer to punish people when he could run. Defenses figured him out when he was injured and couldn't run and had to rely on the passing game exclusively. The straight-line speed only was a bit of a myth as well. He might not have been a jitterbug, but he had plenty of TDs that involved weaving this way and that.
Some of his interceptions came trying to force things when they were playing from behind.
He was careless with the football though. I think he led the nation in fumbles two years in a row. Maybe Frost/Verduzco would have drilled that out of him. Who knows?
I just don't like dissing players, current or former. Especially those who contributed to so many wins around here.
Great post. We would have won more games if the pants pisser would have been able to recruit better for his D and develop an executable scheme for the talent he did have. I think Pelini had hit his ceiling and was never going to change. A large part of my ambivalence toward TMart was his attitude and personality. The kid was a different duck but hey I'm a different duck to in a lot of ways.