Failed Hamas Rocket....

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There are 5 CAG squadrons and who knows what the CIA has but most of those teams are former Delta and Seals.

Worst case scenario or not they would get it done.
Zero percent chance it can get done without significant casualties.
 

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Zero percent chance it can get done without significant casualties.

Lots of things to be critical of about Biden. This probably isn't one. The hostages have been separated. At best an opportunity may arise to save a few.
 

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Zero percent chance it can get done without significant casualties.
No way they don't lose some hostages but they would save a lot more than the alternative.

Hamas casualties would be very high.

Best option would be your previous. CAG is the best in the world at hostages rescue.
 

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You know I am right and the smart thing to do would just admit it.

What are you right about goofball? I haven't seen anything yet. You continue to run your suck about **** you know nothing about. Is all of CAG great at hostage rescue or a certain team in their ranks? Tell us more about what you think you know. How many is on that team? What school and certification do they and Seal Team 6 as well as the Marine Raider/MEU SOC Teams have to complete to get to be allowed to participate in those missions. I would love to hear your knowledge on the subject.
 
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dave

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What are you right about goofball? I haven't seen anything yet. You continue to run your suck about **** you know nothing about. Is all of CAG great at hostage rescue or a certain team in their ranks? Tell us more about what you think you know. How many is on that team? What school and certification do they and Seal Team 6 as well as the Marine Teams have to complete to get to be allowed to participate in those missions. Tells us all about it. I would love to hear your knowledge on the subject.
LOL. You seem a bit upset swabby.

I don't have to tell you any of that. It is all out there for public consumption.

Just admit you are wrong again. It will be less embarrassing than this current **** show.
 

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LOL. You seem a bit upset swabby.

I don't have to tell you any of that. It is all out there for public consumption.

Just admit you are wrong again. It will be less embarrassing than this current **** show.

Actually it's not and what is there you don't understand. Seriously go ahead and write us an Operation Order on how you would conduct it. Would love to hear your expertise.
 

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Actually it's not and what is there you don't understand. Seriously go ahead and write us an Operation Order on how you would conduct it. Would love to hear your expertise.
I never claimed to be an expert. I do know that everything I said was correct and that I know what I was talking about. You claimed you had done that for 30 years and then admitted you were never in Delta or Ground Branch.

That is the tally.
 

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No way they don't lose some hostages but they would save a lot more than the alternative.

Hamas casualties would be very high.

Best option would be your previous. CAG is the best in the world at hostages rescue.
It’s a serious tactical problem. Dozens of locations needing to be hit with precision simultaneously with zero advanced warning. There are likely SVests involved, switchback triggers on IEDs, not to mention the swift reprisal that would come from outside the borders of Israel.

I’d guess 30-50% loss of the hostages with significant casualties of our own. Sure, we’d win the day, but it would likely be a Pyrrhic victory. They can afford to lose 100 to what it takes to build 1 of ours to that level of experience and lethality.
 

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It’s a serious tactical problem. Dozens of locations needing to be hit with precision simultaneously with zero advanced warning. There are likely SVests involved, switchback triggers on IEDs, not to mention the swift reprisal that would come from outside the borders of Israel.

I’d guess 30-50% loss of the hostages with significant casualties of our own. Sure, we’d win the day, but it would likely be a Pyrrhic victory. They can afford to lose 100 to what it takes to build 1 of ours to that level of experience and lethality.
I think your numbers are pretty fair. If 100 Hamas is all we could kill I'd not support it. If we could kill 1000 that would be different. I'd only want to do it if we could save 50-70% if hostages and inflict very serious don't ever *** with us again casualties.

All I'm saying is they could pull it off.
 

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I never claimed to be an expert. I do know that everything I said was correct and that I know what I was talking about. You claimed you had done that for 30 years and then admitted you were never in Delta or Ground Branch.

That is the tally.

I served in the Army and Marine Corps. I specialized in these type of missions. My entire resume isn't your business nor do I feel the need to explain it. I have explained this particular situation to you. It's the worst possible tactical situation I have ever seen. Others who have done this at high levels have been on T.V. and explained the same thing to you. If you want to continue to argue with me that's your stupidity and not my fault. At the end of the day I don't see Biden authorizing anything even if team leaders feelt they could pull something off so there's that as the biggest problem and another huge obstacle.
 
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I served in the Army and Marine Corps. I specialized in these type of missions. My entire resume isn't your business nor do I feel the need to explain it. I have explained this particular situation to you. It's the worst possible tactical situation I have ever seen. Others who have done this at high levels have been on T.V. and explained the same thing to you. If you want to continue to argue with me that's your stupidity and not my fault. At the end of the day I don't see Biden authorizing anything even if team leaders feelt they could pull something off so there's that as the biggest problem and another huge obstacle.
Ok. I don't listen to the people that run TV want me to listen to. When it comes to this stuff I listen to people who actually did it. I don't care about your resume in it's entirety or in any smaller piece. You are the one who keeps trying to throw out your resume as some kind of informed expert on this issue.
 

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Ok. I don't listen to the people that run TV want me to listen to. When it comes to this stuff I listen to people who actually did it. I don't care about your resume in it's entirety or in any smaller piece. You are the one who keeps trying to throw out your resume as some kind of informed expert on this issue.

You are really sounding ignorant right now. Probably best you just find something more simple to run your mouth about.
 
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I have no clue! This is the only negotiation of this type I have any experience with, so I'll guess $100 BIllion Dollars!
But honestly the way they are printing money I don't know that it matters. We can just print and pay whatever they ask at this point. We live in a world of monopoly money.
Does Hamas want money? I'd figure they'd want land.



 

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What does that have to do with the post?
Are you implying that you think he is lying that the WH wants to send them that much?

Biden doesn't want to send Isarel anything. They want to lump it in with Ukraine then he will send the majority of it there. You should be able to figure out the rest. The MSM is already defending Hamas and that will get worse.

Money has already been budgeted to Isarel. We have Weapons already stored there. They really don't need anymore right now. Let them do what they need to with that. All Biden has to do is to get Hezbollah and Iran to stand down. However he will probably screw that up.
 

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Biden doesn't want to send Isarel anything. They want to lump it in with Ukraine then he will send the majority of it there. You should be able to figure out the rest. The MSM is already defending Hamas and that will get worse.

Money has already been budgeted to Isarel. We have Weapons already stored there. They really don't need anymore right now. Let them do what they need to with that. All Biden has to do is to get Hezbollah and Iran to stand down. However he will probably screw that up.
I fully expect they will send money to everyone. Israel included. We will fund both sides of this war as we do most others
 

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I fully expect they will send money to everyone. Israel included. We will fund both sides of this war as we do most others

You still don't get it. Biden will do enough to help Isarel because the Democrats don't want to lose the Jewish vote. Other than that he will divert the majority of those funds to Ukraine. You know what happens then. Iran will get there's too.
 

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You still don't get it. Biden will do enough to help Isarel because the Democrats don't want to lose the Jewish vote. Other than that he will divert the majority of those funds to Ukraine. You know what happens then. Iran will get there's too.
Yes like I said we will give money to everyone.
You might want a little more to go here and less there but everybody gets paid
 

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I fully expect they will send money to everyone. Israel included. We will fund both sides of this war as we do most others
You still don't get it. Biden will do enough to help Isarel because the Democrats don't want to lose the Jewish vote. Other than that he will divert the majority of those funds to Ukraine. You know what happens then. Iran will get there's too.

I don't support giving Isarel a blank check. We have problems here we need to deal with immediately. I do however support them killing a bunch of Terrorists that can't be reasoned with. Just understand this Administration is only pretending to care about them. The majority of money will be diverted to Ukraine. Isarel would actually spend theirs on defense.

Zelensky, Putin, and Biden are the CCP's bitches right now. The people are getting screwed.
 

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Not the first Time Biden has done this kind of thing. Why not just post their names, family members names, and addresses too. Fvcking idiots.


 

dave

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You are really sounding ignorant right now. Probably best you just find something more simple to run your mouth about.
The day I worry about your opinion if me will the the day I end it.