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MorrisAsh

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In a nj.com interview from Friday, OC Kill mused at whether they're throwing too much of a playbook at a freshman C, a freshman QB, 3 freshman WR and a freshman RB.


"maybe we're throwing too much at these kids. Maybe we cut back and run the same plays over and over again".

While I trust Kill as a team turnaround specialist, this does seem to echo what we saw with last year's OC, when the playbook was scaled back halfway through the season.

Hopefully the difference is that Kill will run the plays that have had some success; instead of last year's mismatched 6 power spread plays that never worked.

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...kills_plan_for_fixing_rutgers_offense_run_tht we .html#incart_river_index
 
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Yes coach run off tackle every play and continue to looks completely inept and watch as every one of your offensive commits decide to jump ship over the next month. Good idea. Also, keep Bolin in there as he is doing such a great job at managing the game.
 
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MorrisAsh said:
It is. This issue is obviously threefold:
-Rutgers doesn't have enough of top BiG players to line up toe to toe and pound you with basic plays
-You can't outscheme superior talent if your upperclassmen are on their third offense system in 3 years
-You can't outscheme superior talent with limited schemes
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No one wants to hear it but given all the turnover (players and coaches) this program needs 2-3 more years of continuity. Year 2 under a Kill offense and year 3 under the Ash defense and program should be better. Im not expecting a bowl until 2019.
 
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Knight Shift said:
Does NJ.com simply recycle the same quotes over and over again to make "new" stories?

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/jerry-kills-press-conference-about-the-offense.130838/
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The cat is out of the bag!!

RobotHunter said:
Yes coach run off tackle every play and continue to looks completely inept and watch as every one of your offensive commits decide to jump ship over the next month. Good idea. Also, keep Bolin in there as he is doing such a great job at managing the game.
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Do you really think so?
 
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Knight Shift

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LETSGORU91 said:
The cat is out of the bag!!



Do you really think so?
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I'm glad you and @PaKnight clarified, because reading the NJ.com RU Football feed is like watching Groundhog day.
 
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Pils86

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Not buying it. If freshman can't handle it use different players. You have a 5th year and 4th year qb on the roster and you let what would have been a third year transfer who is doing well at a lower level. Center - move Miller there and start Heeman at guard. RB's we have a 5th year and two fourth year players, all good players. WR starts two 5th year players, maybe you make an argument for Melton, but if he is having trouble as a freshman start Harris or Bailey.
 
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RobotHunter said:
Yes coach run off tackle every play and continue to looks completely inept and watch as every one of your offensive commits decide to jump ship over the next month. Good idea. Also, keep Bolin in there as he is doing such a great job at managing the game.
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You got all that out of that one partial quote? Impressive.
 
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AreYouNUTS

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Pils86 said:
Not buying it. If freshman can't handle it use different players. You have a 5th year and 4th year qb on the roster and you let what would have been a third year transfer who is doing well at a lower level. Center - move Miller there and start Heeman at guard. RB's we have a 5th year and two fourth year players, all good players. WR starts two 5th year players, maybe you make an argument for Melton, but if he is having trouble as a freshman start Harris or Bailey.
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Yeah because O's with lots of Frosh have never struggled before ...got it..,glad you have all the answers Pils lol!....I mean you do understand WHY we're playing lots of Frosh, right? This program is a mess right now, got to build for the future, got to show kids in high school we are currently recruiting that if you come in you're going to get playing time as well. It's a pretty simple formula right now. One that sucks, yes, and one that not everyone is going to agree with, for sure, but it's one that hopefully will work because the third, fourth, and fifth year guys in this program, just haven't gotten it done and/or aren't doing so in practice.
 
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REDRICH65

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How come other schools can play freshmen and they know what they're doing ? Sit them until they do or we have an injury issue to deal with. Tired of the excuses.
 
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AreYouNUTS

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REDRICH65 said:
How come other schools can play freshmen and they know what they're doing ? Sit them until they do or we have an injury issue to deal with. Tired of the excuses.
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Maybe those (few teams) have upperclassman who are talented and/or actually care about what's going on with the program hence helping out the young kids as best as possible during the off-season, during practice, and on game day. If some are to be believed, both on and off the boards, that might not be the case in this program right now and everything that some of us have stated - about Flood destroying this program in more ways than one and truly needing 3 to 4 years to get the ship righted - most unfortunately is the case.

Let me guess: you we're complaining incessantly about Schiano, 5 games into his second season, also known as 2002, right?
 
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RUChoppin

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REDRICH65 said:
How come other schools can play freshmen and they know what they're doing ? Sit them until they do or we have an injury issue to deal with. Tired of the excuses.
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It's not about playing freshmen as a concept, but how many freshmen are on the field at once. A freshman wideout can do very well if being thrown to by an experienced QB and there are some other experienced WR options. A freshman QB can do very well if there's a seasoned, stable OLine and some seasoned receiving options.

When you take out too many upperclassman pieces from the bottom of the Jenga tower, things start to wobble or fall apart.
 
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RUChoppin said:
It's not about playing freshmen as a concept, but how many freshmen are on the field at once. A freshman wideout can do very well if being thrown to by an experienced QB and there are some other experienced WR options. A freshman QB can do very well if there's a seasoned, stable OLine and some seasoned receiving options.

When you take out too many upperclassman pieces from the bottom of the Jenga tower, things start to wobble or fall apart.
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Well stated. Why do folks not understand this?
 
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koleszar

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You do a lot of learning when your younger from the upperclassmen. When the upperclassmen are learning as well, then you lose that important developmental aspect. Everyone had to learn a new way of basically doing everything, you need continuity so those who've learned before you can teach. I always asked the older guys how to go about things. They had that been there done that experience.
 
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AreYouNUTS

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DJ Spanky said:
Funny how this regime has problems with freshman players learning things, but prior regimes have not.
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Other than a very few exceptions I don't recall this to be the case at all, to be honest, especially under Greg while truly having to "build" the program. Remember Flood took over a team LOADED with upper-class talent.

That being said we're moving back to BLUE next year. 10 years away has been 10 years too many. The married guys are all "in" - as the wives only come to maybe 1-game/year now - and we've got the points! See you soon my friend!
 
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DHajekRC84

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Well we no longer have Flood "editing" the playbook for them lol
in the spirit of things I kept my reaction simple and only raised 1 eyebrow 3/4's of the way :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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brgRC90

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Can the plays at least be good ones with deception/misdirection/trickeration and a high chance of success or are they going to be pop Warner level?
 
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NBKnight

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DJ Spanky said:
I'm alluding to the coach's comments above about the multiple freshman not being able to handle too much of the playbook.
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But the part that is not true is that freshman under previous administrations did not have problems. As talented as Anthony Davis was, he required a lot of direction from guys like Haslam when he played as a freshman. @yesrutgers01 has said on many occasions.

Greg consistently said that is was very important not to overload young players with too much responsibilities.
 
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AreYouNUTS

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brgRC90 said:
Can the plays at least be good ones with deception/misdirection/trickeration and a high chance of success or are they going to be pop Warner level?
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One would THINK that - especially with Grant back to use either in such plays or as a decoy - this is the perfect week to pull a few things out of the woodworks!
 
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RUChoppin

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DJ Spanky said:
I'm alluding to the coach's comments above about the multiple freshman not being able to handle too much of the playbook.
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Yes, and I was asking if you had specific examples during "prior regimes" (plural) where there were multiple freshmen being called upon to carry the offense at one time.

The only recent year I remember having multiple successful freshmen together on the field was 2009, where Savage/Sanu/Vallone started and Jefferson/Harrison/Beauharnais/Greene/Williams all got time... but they were nearly all NFL-level talents who were surrounded by experienced upperclassmen, many of whom also ended up in the NFL (Davis, Haslem, Lefeged, Johnson, McCourty, Freeny). So that's something of a unique situation that doesn't really compare to our current roster.
 
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PaKnight said:
But the part that is not true is that freshman under previous administrations did not have problems. As talented as Anthony Davis was, he required a lot of direction from guys like Haslam when he played as a freshman. @yesrutgers01 has said on many occasions.

Greg consistently said that is was very important not to overload young players with too much responsibilities.
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Laughing- while it was true...the HUGE difference is that AD is a once in a generation talent. While he may not have always known what to do, all you had to say was "Anthony, just make sure player X doesn't beat you"

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Yes, and I was asking if you had specific examples during "prior regimes" (plural) where there were multiple freshmen being called upon to carry the offense at one time.

The only recent year I remember having multiple successful freshmen together on the field was 2009, where Savage/Sanu/Vallone started and Jefferson/Harrison/Beauharnais/Greene/Williams all got time... but they were nearly all NFL-level talents who were surrounded by experienced upperclassmen, many of whom also ended up in the NFL (Davis, Haslem, Lefeged, Johnson, McCourty, Freeny). So that's something of a unique situation that doesn't really compare to our current roster.
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Also very true- you also had other very experienced players on that team too such as Joe M and Blaze. That could have been a special year if we had OG's and if the scheme on O wasnt a total mess.
 
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REDRICH65 said:
How come other schools can play freshmen and they know what they're doing ? Sit them until they do or we have an injury issue to deal with. Tired of the excuses.
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Actually they don't know what they are doing there either. The difference is the rest of the league got four or five star freshmen and can overcome rookie mistakes by pure talent. Meanwhile we are throwing out 2 stars and low 3 stars and expecting results. The issue really is that this board overhyped the recruiting class last year. It was ok, but not something that is game changing by any means.
 
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RUChoppin

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vandalen1 said:
Why can other FR start for other teams? Try because they are 4-5 star players.
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And those other teams aren't trying to incorporate 6 freshmen into the offense at the same time (Lewis, Blackshear, Maietti (RS), Melton, Wormley, Hayek... with Mitchell (RS) being anticipated, and talk about further adding Clark and Vretman to the mix)... while also incorporating 3 players who are taking their first snaps in the offense as 5th year transfers (Bolin, Edwards, Mitchell).
 
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