I think we'll win 3 or 4 games next year. My reason for the slightest optimism is this...Nunzio was able to get so much out of these guys after Ash left. It looked like we were a real football team again. If we can get that same incremental growth next season, I think we'll be better than some expect.
Expectations for 2020
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I really like this new narrative of "Ash was a good recruiter. These players just need better coaching and we're bowling".
Not so much concerned about wins losses (yes, would love to see several next season) as much as how we play. Hope we can maintain intensity and be competitive for all 4 quarters...............keep fighting til the end regardless of outcome. Hope we can finally put an end to the embarrassing blowouts.
There will always be blowouts but I agree it’s something we need much less of. Bama got blown out in the NC game so it’s gonna happen
Very true. Losses to Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan will be the norm for a good amount of time.
minor bowl. anyone who saw the psu game should expect nothing less with better coaching and everyon says we have that
What we do next year depends hugely on events yet to occur. So far we have taken recruits who are unlikely to contribute much next year, with one or two exceptions.
But even more than that, we don't have a strong QB for next year, and we don't know whom the coaching staff is going to be. If the grad transfer market brings us a solid QB, one who can move in the pocket, and several solid linemen, we could be competitive next year, especially with a $7 million coaching staff. If, on the other hand, we don't get a QB nor some solid linemen, then we should be looking at 3 wins and possibly fewer.
But even more than that, we don't have a strong QB for next year, and we don't know whom the coaching staff is going to be. If the grad transfer market brings us a solid QB, one who can move in the pocket, and several solid linemen, we could be competitive next year, especially with a $7 million coaching staff. If, on the other hand, we don't get a QB nor some solid linemen, then we should be looking at 3 wins and possibly fewer.
My expectations are straightforward. I expect nothing less than total victory in the East followed by unconditional surrender by the West.
The game we scored 6 points with 199 yards passing?
Wait, was that offensive output supposed to be encouraging?
Give me 4 wins...sweep the OOC games and win 1 B1G game and I'll consider Year 1 under Schiano 2.0 an unmitigated success.
Lots of people expecting around 6 wins. Looks like there will probably be a lot of unhappy people after year 1. Schiano is not a magician. 4 wins at best.
We're going to suck, but maybe 3 to 4 wins. Flood's recruiting was bad, Ash's was even worse. Going to take some time to fix this sh*tshow and process out some of Ash's recruits. There's a level for every player, a lot don't belong on the P5 level.
Flood classes
2012 23rd Avg rat 0.8760(15) (Schiano/Hafley)
1 5* 5 4*
2013 48th A.R. 0.8404(21)
2014 56th A.R. 0.8147(23) 7 2*
2015 56th A.R. 0.8282(23) 3 2*
Ash classes
2016 64th A.R. 0.8286 (19)(Flood/Ash) 5 2*
2017 42nd A.R. 0.8371(24) 1 2* Hayek
2018 56th A.R. 0.8429(22) 1 2* Korsak
2019 65th A.R. 0.8438(25) 0 2*
Yes, Ash was a horrible head coach on par or slightly worse than Terry Shea, but it's such a misconception that his recruiting classes were worse than Flood's. Ash's classes were trending up year after year where Flood's classes trended down year after year. In 2016, Flood's class was worse than 2015 or 2014 before Flood was fired. The other issue you dealt with was the fact at least Ash kept a good majority of his talent over the last 4 years. The difference is Flood's recruiting classes lost about 40-50% of his classes from 2013-15, about 30 players out of the 67 recruited, before Ash was hired.
This team is not devoid of talent looking at the average rating of players recruited by Ash compared to Flood. Ash did a poor job of recruiting all position groups. You can't win football games recruiting only good LBs and DBs, but not DL. The same with recruiting a bunch of WRs and RBs, but not good OL, TEs or a QB.
2012 23rd Avg rat 0.8760(15) (Schiano/Hafley)
1 5* 5 4*
2013 48th A.R. 0.8404(21)
2014 56th A.R. 0.8147(23) 7 2*
2015 56th A.R. 0.8282(23) 3 2*
Ash classes
2016 64th A.R. 0.8286 (19)(Flood/Ash) 5 2*
2017 42nd A.R. 0.8371(24) 1 2* Hayek
2018 56th A.R. 0.8429(22) 1 2* Korsak
2019 65th A.R. 0.8438(25) 0 2*
Yes, Ash was a horrible head coach on par or slightly worse than Terry Shea, but it's such a misconception that his recruiting classes were worse than Flood's. Ash's classes were trending up year after year where Flood's classes trended down year after year. In 2016, Flood's class was worse than 2015 or 2014 before Flood was fired. The other issue you dealt with was the fact at least Ash kept a good majority of his talent over the last 4 years. The difference is Flood's recruiting classes lost about 40-50% of his classes from 2013-15, about 30 players out of the 67 recruited, before Ash was hired.
This team is not devoid of talent looking at the average rating of players recruited by Ash compared to Flood. Ash did a poor job of recruiting all position groups. You can't win football games recruiting only good LBs and DBs, but not DL. The same with recruiting a bunch of WRs and RBs, but not good OL, TEs or a QB.
That isn’t the narrative at all. What we are saying is that the players we do have are better then they have played. Outside of a few people, the expectation for next year seems to be around 4 wins.
Greg needs to recruit better then Ash did and he will. What is going to be more important and what I hope, is to recruit better based on needs.
My over/under for wins this season is 3.5. If we get 4 wins that is a success imo.
Roster Management will take a few seasons. None of the 2020 starters are Greg’s players, except for transfers. The portal QB is key to our offense with Art as a backup. I’m not sure how much Greg can accomplish with the current roster. Hope I’m wrong.
3 wins. 1 from B10 and I think that’s a good season. Remember this program has won 3 games the last two years and zero B10 games. Unless a competent QB who can buy time behind a suspect line and is reasonably accurate transfers in, it will be a slow climb back to .500
Ok sure. Dont really understand what your proximity to the game means but whatever.
Nice to know you are in the "Ash's recruiting wasn't actually bad" camp.
I've read alot of expert proclamations about how the team is going to immediately turn it around (see the reaction to the "Greatest OC in RU history/Mr. Instant Impact OC McN" hiring).
I'll wait until we average even 24ppg (which would have ranked #100 in 2019) before believing "we can play".
Schaino is not and never has been a great game coach. His recruiting make his teams competitive. That will take a few years.
Realistically anticipating 3-4 wins in year 1 of Greg’s return . Could we surprise and win 4-5 ? If QB play is solid and we solidify the O line. Do that in year 1 and the New Brick Wall will help keep the top players here in NJ much sooner than many here could hope for. I really don’t expect many portal transfers except the 5th QB and another DL here lid and play type. Schiano has really given us some much needed hope going forward and that is a Christmas Miracle on River Road.
It’s good people are excited again and optimistic. But people are overly optimistic. I feel I am optimistic thinking 4 wins.
This is true. But why not be optimistic as long as people are also patient if the optimism doesn't pan out?
It's not out of the realm of possibility that we could win only 1 game in 2019. We have zero depth. We may well be lacking a good enough QB. If we get an injury to Pacheco, or a couple other key players, we're going to struggle to win games.
OTOH, if we get some extremely good luck, in terms of landing a few grad transfers at key positions, seeing some relatively unknown players have breakout seasons, and having no serious injuries (and let's be real here - we're due some good luck for a change), then it's not out of the realm of possibility that we could win 6 games and go bowling.
So as long as one remains patient if things don't go our way, why not hope for the 6 wins and be excited until such time as it's no longer possible?
Hope sure. I hope we win every game . But the thread title is “expectations “.
Expecting 6 wins seems ridiculous
Agreed. I think that a lot of people confuse expectations with desires. Or at least they let their desires influence their expectations.
I'm not saying 6 wins in 2020, but if Schiano can fix the biggest problem areas on the team(DL, TE, and QB) on the teams. Identify a 2 Deep for the DBs, OL and WRs, there are B1G starters on the team. Take the strengths(LBs, RBs, and Special Teams) on the team and make them better. It comes together quickly, a winning record is there for the taking next year in the first 8 games with the returning players. If you look at his recruiting classes 2005-2011, he had the same Avg. Rating classes 0.83-0.86 that Ash brought in, on recruiting sites 0.83-0.84.
We lost by 3 TD’s against a psu team who was starting their backup qb who hadn’t played a game all year and that showed you that this team has the talent??? Can you please pass whatever it is your smoking over this way?
so you watched the box score or did you actually watch the game? No one would suggest that after3 quarters of play in that game we can't field a decent team with what we have. Stop being silly and retarded.
you guys do nothing but make excuses
What are you talking about making excuses? If anyone is making excuses it’s you by suggesting that by just changing our coach all the sudden we’re going bowling next year despite not winning a conference football game since 2017..... my point is we are horrible from a talent standpoint and it will take years to even become mediocre, particularly with a coach that very honestly outside of Rutgers fans holds zero clout in the coaching world (this why no one hired him as a HC despite being available since 2013 then in typical Rutgers fashion, we negotiated against ourselves to get him back, lol)
Ash's recruiting wasn't good, but it's not as bad as some are making it out to be.
Ash picked up a few nice pieces over the last few years, but that's not enough to field a full team. While the recruiting wasn't as bad overall as the Shea era, for instance, there were still gaps all over and he couldn't consistently field 11 guys who could compete at the B1G level. He had notable deficiencies recruiting to the QB spot and both lines, which are the primary keys to success. On top of that, he and his staff didn't really show much ability to "coach them up", and he and his coordinators weren't flexible/talented enough to find schemes that would succeed with the incomplete team he on hand.
Ash picked up a few nice pieces over the last few years, but that's not enough to field a full team. While the recruiting wasn't as bad overall as the Shea era, for instance, there were still gaps all over and he couldn't consistently field 11 guys who could compete at the B1G level. He had notable deficiencies recruiting to the QB spot and both lines, which are the primary keys to success. On top of that, he and his staff didn't really show much ability to "coach them up", and he and his coordinators weren't flexible/talented enough to find schemes that would succeed with the incomplete team he on hand.
Agree 100% Those 2 goal line stands against OSU and PSU were impressive and showed some guts. Infuse some good coaching and some modest talent improvement to this team and 5-6 wins are possible.
After 3 quarters we scored 3 points.
Here are the offensive drives in the the PSU game:
6 plays - 30 yards (Punt)
6 plays - 51 yards (FG!! 3 points)
8 plays - 21 yards (Punt)
5 plays - 26 yards (Punt)
15 plays - 80 yards (missed FG)
Halftime
3 plays - 9 yards (Punt)
6 plays - 19 yards (Punt)
13 plays - 58 yards (FG!! 3 points)
6 plays - 19 yards (Turnover on Downs)
6 plays - 48 yards (End of Game)
3 good drives out of 9 (4 out of 10 if you want to count the drive ending the game).
6 total points scored.
9 points if you include the missed FG.
Sorry you are so hung up on it since you were on the sidelines for the game but at least reference the OSU game where we scored actual TDs.
Side note - isn't the sideline one of the worst locations to evaluate a game? Generally, OC and DC sit upstairs so they can get a better view of the field? Also, the "All-22" view is usually used to evaluate games after the fact which is higher up as well.
i would like to see us take care of monmouth,syracuse and temple.
take at least 1 big ten game.
be competitive in the other games.
cant expect more in year 1 of schiano "the sequel"
it also depends on how many of the incoming players will be ready to contribute
take at least 1 big ten game.
be competitive in the other games.
cant expect more in year 1 of schiano "the sequel"
it also depends on how many of the incoming players will be ready to contribute
