The BIG 12 isn't going to explode. It will still exist long after 2025. Soon they'll extend the GOR.
I think the Big 12 has saved itself until your new TV deal expires in 2024, so that's definitely good for you guys... No doubt. But once it expires, I think the league could explode.
Colorado State would have to show they have the support necessary to warrant a P5 invite. There's already three FBS schools in Colorado (CU and AF the other two). I like them better than a metro school or directional Florida, but I don't like them enough for expansion. I'd need sold on them.I'd take:
1. University of Cincinnati
2. Colorado State
Both are big schools (CSU is land grant) and have potential for TV markets even though their football attendance is pretty poor today. Plus UC has a strong basketball team and CSU is also pretty decent.
Nothing against BYU, but I don't think it is a good fit.
Lgm!
It goes back to him thinking pretty much any American Conference team would add value.Que? I'm not familiar with Buckaineer 's preferences. That's a lot of territory with multiple schools to approach. There might be one or two "big" schools in one of those states that's unhappy with the current state of affairs.
Colorado State would have to show they have the support necessary to warrant a P5 invite. There's already three FBS schools in Colorado (CU and AF the other two). I like them better than a metro school or directional Florida, but I don't like them enough for expansion. I'd need sold on them.
BYU is just another geographic outlier. Do we want a conference spanning three time zones? They already are trying to act like Mormon Notre Dame. Why bother? If they had value, they'd already be in a P5 conference.
Cincinnati and the rest of CUSA old do not add anything other than decency in maybe one sport. They were necessary for the Big Least, but they are not for the XII. If we go that route, I'll hang up and wait for us to be left by half of our current conference.
Here's my case for CSU:
Colorado State is building a new football stadium--granted only with 41,000 capacity. Enrollment is about 32,000, so there is opportunity to get decent attendance with better teams coming to play. Their basketball arena seats about 8700 and they made the tourney in 2012 and 2013. Plus, the Denver TV market would be nice to add (I don't know how Colorado and CSU compare there in terms of fan support).
UC has an enrollment of over 42,000 students, so they have a lot of room to grow. But I mostly like them as an option due to close proximity to WVU. I think they are basically equivalent to Louisville.
I'd be fine if we stay at 10, but if we do expand UC and CSU are my picks.
Lgm!
No, you've been saying I'm and idiot, Boren's an idiot, the ACC is crumbling so the BIG 12 shouldn't do anything-just wait to pick their teams off, there's no valuable programs from the G5, questioning pro rata increases, etc. etc.
You've railed against the conference doing anything all along.
You refused to look at what was in front of the conference and clear to see--they HAD to act and do so with available candidates and the "market" has not declared anything--TEXAS did.
It goes back to him thinking pretty much any American Conference team would add value.
You both are resident morons! Village idiots if you will!
I'd go with Colorado too. There is supposedly some grumbling in Nebraska but not enough to ever leave the Big10. Why not poach Colorado and an Arizona school? Snyder is wrong about one thing. WVU would be better off in the SEC in terms of travel, rivalries and stability.Snyder says two teams want back in.
http://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/big-12-bill-snyder-two-teams-want-back-in/
Which 2 teams? I can believe Colorado, but who else? Mizzu, T&AM (Leave the SEC for BIG12, Not going to happen), Nebraska (Leave the B1G for BIG12, not going to happen). Maybe he is thinking back to the days of the BIG8 with Arizona and Arizona State
I'd go with Colorado too. There is supposedly some grumbling in Nebraska but not enough to ever leave the Big10. Why not poach Colorado and an Arizona school? Snyder is wrong about one thing. WVU would be better off in the SEC in terms of travel, rivalries and stability.
The BIG 12 isn't going to explode. It will still exist long after 2025. Soon they'll extend the GOR.
actually any team adds value if you read the reports. maybe i missed our move into the "blue bloods" category? lol
Yeah, I would be shocked if the Big 12 didn't expand by four. Per reports, the Big 12's contract with FOX and ESPN mandates them to increase their payout to the conference by $20-25M PER school. That's as much as $100M per year. Furthermore, the conference will not gives those new schools a full cut of that $20-25M. Instead, they will be relegated to junior member status.
That all sounds good for now, Mountaineers. But contracts like that breed contempt. It's a big reason why Nebraska, Missouri, and Colorado left the Big 12 to begin with... The conference members don't like to operate as a single entity; instead, they act solely in their self interests. It doesn't make for a good long-term business relationship.
You're a little off on this. The payout doesn't go up $20 million per school. The average payout right now is ~$23 million per school. The clause in the contract just keeps the payout at $23 million. So in other words, the contract goes up enough to cover the cost of having to split the pie 2/4 extra ways.
How is that different than what I'm saying? If you add two schools, the Big 12 receives $46M. If it adds four, it receives $92M. Right?
Because you have to split the payout 2/4 extra ways. Right now, the average lump sum is $200 million a year. (It's actually a little higher than that, but let's just use an even number). You divide that by 10 schools, and it's $20 million per school. You divide that by 12 schools, and it's $16 million per school. You add in that $46 million increase, divide by 12, and now you get back to $20 million per school. There isn't a net increase. It just gets you back to the same payout you had with only 10 schools. The way you were phrasing it, you said the payouts to each school would go up $20-25 million a year. It doesn't. The actual payout to each school stays the same. The contract just goes up enough to cover the cost of splitting the pie extra ways, so the schools don't lose money.
Now, if you don't give the new schools a full share, then yeah, the original 10 schools will make more money. That's exactly what the Big 12 is planning to do. That's really a jury rigged way of getting more money, though.
You and I are saying the same thing... I just don't think we're communicating it well to one another.
Yes, IF BROKEN UP EVENLY, everyone will get the same amount of revenue. However, from everything I've read, the current 10 members have no intention of breaking it up evenly. Instead, they will give the two/four new members less money, keeping the rest for themselves.
You and I are saying the same thing... I just don't think we're communicating it well to one another.
Yes, IF BROKEN UP EVENLY, everyone will get the same amount of revenue. However, from everything I've read, the current 10 members have no intention of breaking it up evenly. Instead, they will give the two/four new members less money, keeping the rest for themselves.
Yeah, but your numbers are way off. $46 million / 10 schools only comes out to $4.6 million per school. So, if the Big 12 added 2 new schools, and kept the entire increase for the original 10, that sill only works out to an extra $4.6 million per school, not the $20-25 million you were claiming. In reality, the new school would get a least $5-6 million a year. So, let's say you add 2 new teams, and give them each $5 million a year. That's $10 million off of your $46 million, leaving you $36 million total. Divide that by 10 schools, and you get $3.6 million per school. That's not anywhere $20-25 million per school, like you said.
Tiger, I"m sorry, but that's not what I said at all...
Per reports, the Big 12's contract with FOX and ESPN mandates them to increase their payout to the conference by $20-25M PER school.
You said:
That's what you said.
Not forgetting the only reason TexA$$ would be willing to expand is to add more $$ to their bottom line. The could give a rats *** about the stability of the conference just what is in it for me....and oddly enough SO DOES THE BIG 12!!!
You thinking they don't is the issue, not me agreeing with WVUs president and the rest of the leaders of the BIG 12.
You are about as ignorant as they come.