ETSU does not look like a pushover.

[Lettucexxxx]

It's not losing or even winning for that matter. It's how undisciplined we play win or lose. Bad basketball is bad basketball. Can't hide it or run from it. It's frustrating because we have the talent to be undefeated....and It's not just 1 or 2 players, it's been a collected mix bag of ugly. Biggest disappointment is IJ. The senior. I'm done with this one. Moving on. I have faith in Howland, I do....Just frustrating and very painful on the eyes.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I really don't see lack of effort. Peters plays hard as hell on defense, Holman had all kinds of blocked shots, blew it the end...obviously Q plays hard as hell.

So I'm not sure where the lack of effort is coming from. I dunno what to say except this is a young *** team. The youngest team in CBB. I really don't know what else to tell ya.

 

[Shamoan]

We are young. Exactly what year does coaching become a factor? Should I tune in Q's junior or senior year?

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

We are young. Exactly what year does coaching become a factor? Should I tune in Q's junior or senior year?

You implying Q isn't any good? Or hasn't improved?

Are you implying a player reaches his potential after a few practices? Or months? Should reach 100% full potential before freshmen year is out?

 

[msu71]

The game has really changed this year. When Howland taught defense you could put your hands all over the dribbler, hand checking him to death. Now, you can't breathe on him at all. Lamar Peters played one hell of a game on defense. But every time he made a great stand, the ref called him for hand checking, which is the correct call in today's game. We have to find a way to play position defense without fouling and we have to block out better. It will come, I hope sooner rather than later.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I take it

you haven't watched much of our team play over the past 5+ years.

 

[Shamoan]

The team is average. Q is the exception. I want to watch good team basketball, not Kobe score 40 in a loss.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

You're right. I see where you're coming from. I'm with you.


FAHR HOWLAND!!!!! HE SUX AT COACHING!!!!!!!

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Hell, Q had an awful game today also.

FAHR Q!!!!! HES TWRRIBLE AND HASNT IMPROVED!!!!!

 

[Kojak.sixpack]

Serious question: What happened to the crazy transition look that Howland played with early last year?

 

[Shamoan]

If anyone voices questions or dissent, they want someone fired. The pack is certainly consistent.

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

Still amazing how many folks open their mouths to reveal how little they know about basketball.

This team is getting better....and fast. Theyre learning much faster than expected. I see no reason why this group cant be a bubble team. Yes theres lots of room for improvement. But considering our youth and our upside, i wouldn't get too upset over these ooc games. We'll be just fine.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

If anyone voices questions or dissent, they want someone fired. The pack is certainly consistent.

That generally is the implication when one questions or criticizes player development and strategy.

 

[Shamoan]

I agree 100% with everything you have said. For those keeping score, consider gymdawg on team shaman or me on team gymdawg.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Still amazing how many folks open their mouths to reveal how little they know about basketball.

This team is getting better....and fast. Theyre learning much faster than expected. I see no reason why this group cant be a bubble team. Yes theres lots of room for improvement. But considering our youth and our upside, i wouldn't get too upset over these ooc games. We'll be just fine.

No. Please explain to me and shamoan the Xs and Os and how this team is actually getting better.

 

[Shamoan]

This has consisistently not been my modus operandi. Call coaches out when they under-deliver. Howland didn't get to the final four jerking off clowns in the Hardee's dumpster. Time to make a difference.

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

If you cant see its not in me to guide you to clearer waters. I apologize but i havent the time its going to take. Its real obvious some simply don't see the game behind/within the game. These guys are waaay better than they were just a month ago. But look if you are waitibg around for this team to be top 25 caliber and cant/refuse to be optimist in any fashion til then maybe you shouldn't support this team. Maybe tune back in in march, possibly next year......or become a duke fan.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

If you cant see its not in me to guide you to clearer waters. I apologize but i havent the time its going to take. Its real obvious some simply don't see the game behind/within the game. These guys are waaay better than they were just a month ago. But look if you are waitibg around for this team to be top 25 caliber and cant/refuse to be optimist in any fashion til then maybe you shouldn't support this team. Maybe tune back in in march, possibly next year......or become a duke fan.

No. There's obviously Xs and Os missing here. Players arent developing. Coaches aren't coaching. Trainers aren't training. Towel boys are toweling. ***** got to get better fast*****. (Just in case you missed my sarcasm in previous post)

 

[Lettucexxxx]

If you cant see its not in me to guide you to clearer waters. I apologize but i havent the time its going to take. Its real obvious some simply don't see the game behind/within the game. These guys are waaay better than they were just a month ago. But look if you are waitibg around for this team to be top 25 caliber and cant/refuse to be optimist in any fashion til then maybe you shouldn't support this team. Maybe tune back in in march, possibly next year......or become a duke fan.

Lettuce lighten up fellas. Lots of ball yet to be played. I assure you we all want the same thing. We wouldnt all be on a message board talking BBAll at 10 oclock on a weeknight if we didn't care or have at least a little knowledge of the game. I'll work on my patience. All in all, it's been a pretty good day.

 

[Shamoan]

As gymdawg would say, if a towel boy ain't toweling, mFer better have a bag fulla weed and a gang of excuses.

 

[Shamoan]

At what point do you pull a senior that cannot score a single point? Not one point...everyone reading this tonight tied ready in the scoring column. Congrats.

 

[engie]

This has consisistently not been my modus operandi. Call coaches out when they under-deliver. Howland didn't get to the final four jerking off clowns in the Hardee's dumpster. Time to make a difference.

Why do you always do this? Youngest team in the country -- in the 9th game of their careers -- and Shamoan flipping out because they don't look like a tournament team in December. You stick your foot in your mouth on this stuff at such a high rate -- yet you continue doing it -- without ever learning and evolving. People would take you more seriously on your melts -- if the future bared you out as correct more than about 20% of the time -- or better yet -- you just didn't menstruate all over the board with big picture prognostications off of the smallest of sample sizes, usually immediately off of shitburger games. It's OK to call a shitburger a shitburger without pre-determining that it changes the long-term direction of the program. Young teams have shitburgers. Over half the total minutes played tonight were true freshmen. Over 80% by fr and so.

 

[engie]

At what point do you pull a senior that cannot score a single point? Not one point...everyone reading this tonight tied ready in the scoring column. Congrats.

No one is surprised you would bench him and go all night with one PG. We will be better when we replace him with Nick Spoon. As is, we are stuck with him this year. And he's been pretty good more often than not.

 

[Shamoan]

I'm not flipping out. Please educate me on the X's and O's. just calling an undisciplined performance for what it is...and wishing one of americas best coachs would make a schematic impact. U.K. Has zero problem getting their freshman to perform. I'm just trying understand why ours aren't. Proceed accusing me of calling for howlands head. Let's not get in the way of a good ole fashioned shaman bashing and trying to engage in legitimate conversation.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Lettuce lighten up fellas. Lots of ball yet to be played. I assure you we all want the same thing. We wouldnt all be on a message board talking BBAll at 10 oclock on a weeknight if we didn't care or have at least a little knowledge of the game. I'll work on my patience. All in all, it's been a pretty good day.

Absolutely. There is waaay too much anxiety and stress in this thread over a December game, after a long layoff with a team of freshmens, after a solid day of football 'cruitin success.

Everybody have a round on me this weekend and take a breath.

ETA: Now if it makes you happier to be pissed off over this game, have at it man.

 

[HD6]

I didn't edit your post, I just clicked edit instead of reply at first. My mistake.

Secondly, our highest rated freshman was rated 47th in the 247 composite rankings. Kentucky's lowest rated freshman was ranked 24th. There's a wide gulf between the two classes, Kentucky's players would probably all go straight to the pros if the one and done rule didn't exist whereas none of ours would be likely to.

 

[Shamoan]

Howland is already a great coach and nothing he does at msu will change that fact. Not claiming to be the greatest basketball mind either (no **** said the congregation), just wondering what he is actively scheming to make an impact for us today and yes I know we are the youngest team of all time.

 

[lasher8]

You're pretty consistent too...

If anyone voices questions or dissent, they want someone fired. The pack is certainly consistent.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

No one is surprised you would bench him and go all night with one PG. We will be better when we replace him with Nick Spoon. As is, we are stuck with him this year. And he's been pretty good more often than not.

Thats a stretch. He's had some good games, but more times than not he is what he is - kind of a mid-major role player. Of course that is what MSU has become in basketball, a mid-major (along with most other SEC teams), so he should feel right at home.

It's too bad things didn't work out with Newman. This team would be a lot more fun to watch with him.

 

[patdog]

The team is average because most of them have been playing college basketball for about a month now, and they're good but not elite talents. Takes a little time to adjust. For the first time in a long time, I see the potential for a pretty good team out there on the floor.

 

[DawgsOnTheWing]

IJ's point production this season has been 14, 15, 13, 6, 20, 14, 4, 11, 0. That's pretty good production from a PG. And his production in our previous 2 losses was 15 and 20. He is averaging better than 10 PPG and his TO/Assist ration was 2.4 to 1, which could use a little boost. From an offensive standpoint I think IJ contributes reasonably well. To me, his greatest liability is he doesn't match up well defensively against opposing PGs with length.

I agree with Ol' Blue, Newman would have really helped this team.

 

[mstateglfr]

Ready honestly shouldn't be playing as he scored zero points (his for real stat line) and committed multiple turnovers. Ready is a liability and I'm tired of seeing him 17 everything up. Our starting point guard didn't even 17ing score...

I get all that and can easily attribute that to ray, but I'm just tired of his selfish, low bb iq ********. I could have had a better stat line tonight and that is something none of us should be able to say.

At what point do you pull a senior that cannot score a single point? Not one point...everyone reading this tonight tied ready in the scoring column. Congrats.

I take it you were unimpressed with Ready last night. Yup, I dont think anyone was impressed with Ready. I bet Ready wasnt impressed with Ready.
We dont have players, even Q, who will perform at their best every game. We dont have players whose nightly production equals their average. Our players have on and off nights which create their average. As a result, they will have bad games.

Look at Ready's stats for the year. I really cant complain about them...can you?
The guy is shooting 44.6% overall, averages 5 assists, dishes out 2.4 assists for every turnover, and averages almost 3 rebounds, 2 steals, and 11 points.

SEASON	TEAM	MIN	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
2016-17	MSST	30.9	4.1-9.2	.446	0.7-2.4	.273	1.9-2.6	.739	2.9	5.0	0.0	1.9	1.7	2.1	10.8

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Yes, last night was a bad game. That doesnt mean Ready has a low BBIQ, or that he is a liability.
I do wish that he had played a bit less last night and that someone else could have then taken on the responsibility of guarding his guys on D. But then who would replace him and do much better on D? Who should have taken his minutes? Remember, when Ready got worked towards the end of the game, Peters was already on the floor so he couldnt have come in for Ready. Kegler isnt going to do it for what should be an obvious reason(s). And based on how weak Carter's D was, he certainly wasnt going to suddenly be an upgrade last night.