Let's not forget that those 2 rounds are also filled with a lot of European players. This year, 11 non-college players were taken. That means that only 49 college players were drafted. In a normal year, between 5 and 10 are from Duke, UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas. That just doesn't leave a lot of spots. Unless you believe our guys are top 50 in the country players (Harper probably is, the rest aren't close), then you must conclude that they're not going to the NBA.
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I don't think people are recognizing how good of a defender Ron is. Every NBA player he's guarded he's basically had his way with. Ron has a real chance at the NBA. Ron's one draw back is his body type makes it look like he's out of shape when in reality he's just a naturally thick kid. I've mentioned this here before, I play in a league with a local NBA scout and I always text him about Ron and he always texts me back that Ron needs to lose weight.
Jacob is the only other one with even a miniscule shot and it's because of his defense and if I put a % on it, I'd say Jacob has a 2% chance of ever touching an NBA roster for even a 10-day contract. Jacob can stay in front of anyone, has a really strong base and is super athletic. I think he's a kid who hangs out in the G League for a little bit before joining his brother in China. If he gets his shot at a roster he's going to try to be Pat Beverly and he better not try to do much with the ball in his hands.
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what league in europe? He mustve been a borderline NBA player to be making that much in europe as the pay there is trash.
Crazy statements like this just result in people talking down on our own players. Most people have no idea how good you have to be to even get a look at an NBA roster. Just enjoy them in college
He played in a few different leagues. Italy, France, and others. I don't know if any 1 contract was big but he played long enough to collect a bunch of money. I guess he was a boarderline NBA player. I remember 1 analyst said he would get drafted if there were 3 rounds.... But they probably say that about a bunch of guys.
The point of my original post: Maybe 1 player from this roster gets a chance at the NBA. Most of the rest are good enough to play in Europe. If they play 5 year in Europe when they are in their mid 20's and make a few million, that's great. When they are 30 and done with their professional career with money in the bank and had a chance to live in different parts of the world.
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Its really hard to make money playing euro ball. The overwhelming majority of guys playing in europe are making $30-50k/year. It is a common misconception though that youll make a bunch of $ playing euro ball
I would disagree. Just found this chart based on 2019-2020 European salaries. Obviously not NBA salaries, but a lot more than the average joe makes at a 9-5.
| Region/Country | League | Average Salary U$D | Max Salary U$D |
| Europe | |||
| Europe | Euroleague | 500k-800k/season | 4m/season |
| Spain | ACB | 250k-500k/season | 4m/season |
| Turkey | BCL | 250k-500k/season | 3.7m/season |
| Russia | VTB United | 200k-450k/season | 4m/season |
| Italy | Serie A | 180k-350k/season | 2m/season |
| Greece | Greek A1 | 60k-250k/season | 2.5m/season |
| Germany | BBL | 100k-350k/season | 1m/season |
| Israel | Premier L. | 80k-250k/season | 1.7m/season |
| France | LNB Pro A | 80k-200k/season | 300k/season |
Regarding Myles - does he have a shot to be in the national defensive POY conversation if he continues to stay out of foul trouble? I ask because there’s an excellent correlation between guys who win that award and making an NBA roster. And many of those guys are not your potential type guys in terms of measurables (think Jevon Carter).
I think Ron is the only guy on RU right now with a shot. Too many holes with JY, Myles, and Geo.
Zappa... to put it in baseball terms, how many times have you seen a guy bringing it up there at 95 mph, but can't do anything in the minors? Or maybe they do well at Rookie to AA, but can't move up with success to AAA or MLB? Look at Europe, China etc as the minors. Its good ball being played, but it is NOT the Majors.
Zappa... to put it in baseball terms, how many times have you seen a guy bringing it up there at 95 mph, but can't do anything in the minors? Or maybe they do well at Rookie to AA, but can't move up with success to AAA or MLB? Look at Europe, China etc as the minors. Its good ball being played, but it is NOT the Majors.
I don't know the details of all of the leagues. I am going by my friend who went this route and I think made the bulk of him money in Italy. He also said that the teams in Europe paid for his housing and if needed provided him with a car. He had very few expenses and his salary may have been tax free, or lower taxes than what the countries usually take from their citizens. He spend little money and saved a lot.
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Yup, they pay for your housing and actually pay your tax burden so that $30-$50k is tax free basically. But they kinda are living like bums tbh and its just dragging out their inevitable real life starting
Ron is not going to the NBA based on.....
1. His ability to beat people of the dribble
2. His ability to defend NBA 3s
3. His athleticism
He isn’t remotely close to being an average NBA player in any of these
Ron could make it to the NBA based on his ability to quickly catch and shoot and make perimeter shots.
We need to see a longer stretch of him knocking down shots at this sky high rate PLUS range a few feet beyond.
Duncan Robinson is in the NBA and he fails the 3 things listed above. He is the NBA because he is 6’7’’ and has a quick release and makes shots.
1. His ability to beat people of the dribble
2. His ability to defend NBA 3s
3. His athleticism
He isn’t remotely close to being an average NBA player in any of these
Ron could make it to the NBA based on his ability to quickly catch and shoot and make perimeter shots.
We need to see a longer stretch of him knocking down shots at this sky high rate PLUS range a few feet beyond.
Duncan Robinson is in the NBA and he fails the 3 things listed above. He is the NBA because he is 6’7’’ and has a quick release and makes shots.
In other words, most of college basketball (even P5) save for powerhouses like Kentucky have single A or rookie ball like rosters.
so the big variable is his 3 point shot. If he continues to shoot above 40% with decent volume then I think he has a chance. Right now he’s shooting a ridiculous clip with a fast release. If he’s really that improved then NBA is very realistic. If there is significant mean reversion (falls below 40% for season) then I’m not sure.
How do you justify Cliff being drafted but not Myles? Are you basing it on potential?
As of right now, I see Myles having more potential due to his athleticism, strength, defense, and shooting. Myles changes the game when he comes in.
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The minor leagues are littered with 5 tool players and Golden arm pitchers who were stars in college.
The great majority of them don’t get out of AA.
But they do get drafted and if you’re in the first 10 rounds (that’s a lot of players)
You get a nice signing bonus.
These basketball college stars go undrafted and don’t make a penny....man the NBA is hard
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1) Ron gets to the rim at will and is one of the best finishers at the rim in all of college basketball
2) name me one player hes failed to defend. Literally one. Ron has dominated Nba players on the defensive end going back to strapping a lottery pick in romeo langford as a true freshman
3) where does he lack athleticism? He finishes in all sorts of ways around the rim and he skys like literally 11+ feet for alley oops regularly. See seton hall first 5 minutes last year.
I think were watching different players
He’s an awesome college player and I love watching him. But he’s getting to the rim against big ten players, none of whom will be in the NBA. He’s a great defender, against other wings/forwards who will not be in the NBA. He’s a good athlete but not spectacular vs his peers.
None of that is a shot at him! He’s awesome. But he’s very unlikely to be drafted. The only guy playing yesterday who has an NBA future is Dosunmu and his most likely path is late first round or a second rounder, and probably a guy who’s going to have to claw and fight to stay on an NBA roster after his first year. Cockburn is a great college big man, but unlikely to be drafted because his game doesn’t translate to the league. Johnson is a good college big man but a dinosaur that also doesn’t translate to the NBA. But yesterday’s game had a ton of awesome college bball players!
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Ayo and ron were the only 2 NBA players in that game. But im curious why you think Ayo is a lock and perhaps a first round pick despite not being able to get past JY when ron just did whatever he wanted to whoever guarded him. I mean he went through both smaller and bigger players and finished through contact, caught and released, etc.
I’m not a draft expert, just parroting what I’ve seen on mock drafts (Ayo late first round or second round, nobody from Rutgers and nobody else from Illinois listed). Ayo is great in transition but big questions about his shooting and passing and how that looks at the NBA level. If I had to guess, he probably is a second rounder who has to play his way into the league via the G League. My guess is that the NBA knock on Harper is that he leans on his skill and size to abuse inferior defenders. Williams defended him well early but once he got in foul trouble, Harper abused a slower Giorgi. NBA 3/4s are typical much taller than Williams and much, much quicker than Giorgi. So I’d imagine an NBA defender would be a much tougher matchup for Harper’s game. But to be honest, I’m an absolute amateur. It would be a great question to pose to one of the many draft experts in media. Many of them directly discuss players with NBA front offices and would be much more plugged in than me.
And of course, just because Harper isn’t on mock drafts now doesn’t mean he couldn’t play his way on. Certainly a great way to raise your profile is to go for 30+ in a game that NBA scouts will definitely be watching!
Fun factoid: Klay Thompson’s father, Mychal was the top overall pick in the ‘78 NBA draft. Larry Bird was picked 6th overall.
Third round picks that year included Hollis Copeland, Michael Cooper and Gerald Henderson.
Ron and Ayo are both NBA players for different reasons. Sam Vecenie of The Athletic who does as much research and prep for the Draft as anyone in the world said Harper was in his top-60 after the Maryland game. A lot of Draft scouting is off of potential so younger guys who aren't as good as Harper right now but have more potential will be ahead of him.
Ayo does everything well and is a good athlete. He scores from everywhere on the court, rebounds insanely well for a guard and can pass. He is a pretty good defender and has a good body. Like Harper, his three-point shot has gotten much much better. Still can't create his own three like other dudes, but inside the arc he can get to his shot whenever he wants.
Is there a real comparison for Harper's game? Draymond Green has excelled as an undersized 4 but he is a much better passer than Harper and more fluid. If he gets into the league, he would probably be used as a 3-and-D primarily (at first at least). Harper is athletic, but isn't fast and twitchy. He is insanely smart which you can't teach. He had a three in the second half where he set a ball-screen in transition and rolled off and lost his defender and got an open shot. That's not a set play, that's just him making things happen. He's as smart as any player in the country and using his IQ and actions to get open looks. He can't create space off the dribble like Geo but he has fixed his shot to the point where if he has an inch of space he is basically automatic. If you remember his freshman year, his shots would vary between line drives and high arced lollipops. Every shot looks the same now.
If there is a combine, I think he would get an invite cause that would answer a lot of questions. They do a body fat measurement and scouts would get to see his vert and agility drills. He will measure as a freak, that is no question. Pike once mentioned that he had like a 7-4, yes 7-4, wingspan and if you've ever looked at a picture of him, his hands are massive. If he does well athletically, he could be a late first round/early second round this draft. Plus his bloodlines help
Ayo does everything well and is a good athlete. He scores from everywhere on the court, rebounds insanely well for a guard and can pass. He is a pretty good defender and has a good body. Like Harper, his three-point shot has gotten much much better. Still can't create his own three like other dudes, but inside the arc he can get to his shot whenever he wants.
Is there a real comparison for Harper's game? Draymond Green has excelled as an undersized 4 but he is a much better passer than Harper and more fluid. If he gets into the league, he would probably be used as a 3-and-D primarily (at first at least). Harper is athletic, but isn't fast and twitchy. He is insanely smart which you can't teach. He had a three in the second half where he set a ball-screen in transition and rolled off and lost his defender and got an open shot. That's not a set play, that's just him making things happen. He's as smart as any player in the country and using his IQ and actions to get open looks. He can't create space off the dribble like Geo but he has fixed his shot to the point where if he has an inch of space he is basically automatic. If you remember his freshman year, his shots would vary between line drives and high arced lollipops. Every shot looks the same now.
If there is a combine, I think he would get an invite cause that would answer a lot of questions. They do a body fat measurement and scouts would get to see his vert and agility drills. He will measure as a freak, that is no question. Pike once mentioned that he had like a 7-4, yes 7-4, wingspan and if you've ever looked at a picture of him, his hands are massive. If he does well athletically, he could be a late first round/early second round this draft. Plus his bloodlines help
Damn, I hope that Harper comes back for one more season. One more year of development for Harper could be the difference between being drafted in the 2nd round vs. 1st round, which is really big when it comes to making an NBA team. Would love to see him and Jaden Jones together in Scarlet. Really hope that at least one of Geo and JY return as well, along with Myles.