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KingOfBBN

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I realized that after I typed it lol.

Tho I wonder........I mean Uconn has two titles as well..........that would be the definition of high highs and low lows..........is that something we'd really want tho?

Unless you win the last game of the season or at least get to the final weekend, no one gives a ****. If you lose in the Elite Eight or the second round, what difference does it really make?
 
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Unless you win the last game of the season or at least get to the final weekend, no one gives a ****. If you lose in the Elite Eight or the second round, what difference does it really make?

I dunno. I enjoyed last season and 2017 a lot more than I enjoyed 2013.

But I guess that’s just me.

I mean **** 2015. We didn’t win it all but I find it hard to believe people didn’t enjoy that season.

Only one team wins the last game of the year. If you are basing everything on that, then I can’t imagine sports ever being enjoyable.
 

KYFOSSIL

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Stop it aike. Your argument holds zero water. There’s more to college basketball than elite 8s. Tubby was a shot away here and there too but run off. He never missed the tournament either. The trade is TITLES for OAD not elite 8s and “a shot away”. As a life long fan of uk basketball whether it’s a 1st weekend out or elite 8!it doesn’t matter. No matter the coach we are going to be a sweet sixteen team as long as he’s not an alcoholic. When you make your “one shot away” argument you fail to mention we underachieved and lost to a team we beat by 30 not to mention missing their best player. Yeah I’m gonna unload bc what’s happening is ridiculous and to celebrate last season as a success after we were ranked 1 preseason, and lost to a team we killed missing their best player it’s ludicrous. We are going on the wrong direction. You’re a numbers guy look at the trend line. Forget scores just look at the ultimate results and you will see its going the wrong direction.
Damn you are pathetic!! There are no Guarantees but that’s what entitled bitches like you want. If it’s all about championships then the University of Kentucky ever othe college has sucked since college basketball started. 30 win season and a point away from the final for is a very solid season. Trends go up and down. You, Zaythoven and a few others don’t have a ball between you. I’m a UK fan you guys are UK eunuchs!
 

fisherscat

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Damn you are pathetic!! There are no Guarantees but that’s what entitled bitches like you want. If it’s all about championships then the University of Kentucky ever othe college has sucked since college basketball started. 30 win season and a point away from the final for is a very solid season. Trends go up and down. You, Zaythoven and a few others don’t have a ball between you. I’m a UK fan you guys are UK eunuchs!
Your outburst suggests some frustration. I get it.

You need to be able to handle context and nuance.

Winning titles is the goal. Period. Doesn’t mean the year is a failure without one. Of course not.

But don’t lower the standard. Even if it’s difficult to achieve.
 
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KYFOSSIL

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Your outburst suggests some frustration. I get it.

You need to be able to handle context and nuance.

Winning titles is the goal. Period. Doesn’t mean the year is a failure without one. Of course not.

But don’t lower the standard. Even if it’s difficult to achieve.
Good post. I believe a Cal is always shooting for a championship every season and the numbers show that. All any fan can ask for from a coach is to put us in a position to win it all and I feel he has 7 out of 10 years.

I am frustrated when the same people hijack a thread every time things don’t go their way to push their agenda. It’s not their context it’s their constant whining and bitching every chance they get.
 
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billCgmx

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What does Cal tell these kids while recruiting them? If he pitching the idea that coming here will put them on the fast track to the NBA then we really can't complain because that strategy has probably landed up several highly ranked players over the years too.
 
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Blueworld_3.0

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College basketball is in the middle of a colossal period of change. The sport has transitioned from being about programs and tradition to individual players and the race to get to the NBA. The pursuit of mega-sized professional contracts and endorsement deals are mostly blame. Some of these kids have a lot of skill or even potential. But, a lot of them are being sold on a pipe dream. Most won't see guaranteed money in their lifetime and will end up leaving before they are mentally and physically ready for the professional level.
I don't slam anyone for wanting to get to the top but, reality needs to be a component as well.
 

KopiKat

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Yea, but he’s finished in the top spot in nearly every measurable statistical category except titles, and only two guys have done better there, and that’s Coach K and Wright. Wright doesn’t really matter, his career to that point wasn’t near Calipari. It won’t be from here.

I agree 2012 a lot went right, but it also did for Villanova and just about everyone else who’s a champion. We just don’t scrutinize those details like we do UK.

What makes that different in regards to Cal is the lockout. There’s actually something to point to that’s out of the players control whereas a guy like Wright and his reasons would be traditional happenings. Players returning, a transfer, something that lies within more understandable and traditional boundaries. It might even diminish that accomplishment except for the fact that, a title is a title is a title. In the end it just is what it is.
I don't see anyone attempting to deny Calipari's body of work at UK. It's pretty simple to see what happens in these discussions: a growing number of posters who care about nothing more than winning titles who accept that Calipari's methods results in a set of other primary objectives. This is not acceptable to them. They want and strongly believe that the fans, the program, and even the players deserve a coach who will flatly demand all other goals are secondary, ancillary even, to winning the national championship. Every. Single. Year. Feasible every year? Likely no. The primary, exclusive goal? Absolutely, yes.

Then other fans get a taste of those "sentiments". And they erroneously interpret that as meaning Calipari is unfit for the job in their estimations. The reality is that the unsatisfied fan may believe he is a very good coach, suitable beyond question for the job, but that he needs to make adjustments. Lots of them? Maybe, maybe not? Some? Again . . . absolutely, yes.
 

fisherscat

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Good post. I believe a Cal is always shooting for a championship every season and the numbers show that. All any fan can ask for from a coach is to put us in a position to win it all and I feel he has 7 out of 10 years.

I am frustrated when the same people hijack a thread every time things don’t go their way to push their agenda. It’s not their context it’s their constant whining and bitching every chance they get.
It is interesting about the hijacking of threads. And I get what you say about the whining. I’ve been accused of that even though I’m always posting positive comments. But folks want their agenda to be validated. Gotta be able to be both supportive and critical, and be thoughtful in posts. Too many have no ability to be anything other than extreme. Especially the pumpers.
 

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I think he will be back. If not, then I don't think we can ever win at recruiting.

We get a 5* center who comes off the bench and averages 6.2 points and 4.1 rebounds/game and thinks he is a first round pick.

Michigan State has a point guard in Cassius Winston who is a second-team All-American, averaging 18.8 points and 7.5 assists/game and he comes back for his senior year.

We can't get the top recruits. The 50-150 type recruits leave because they are unhappy. We just can't win.
 

KingOfBBN

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I think he will be back. If not, then I don't think we can ever win at recruiting.

We get a 5* center who comes off the bench and averages 6.2 points and 4.1 rebounds/game and thinks he is a first round pick.

Michigan State has a point guard in Cassius Winston who is a second-team All-American, averaging 18.8 points and 7.5 assists/game and he comes back for his senior year.

We can't get the top recruits. The 50-150 type recruits leave because they are unhappy. We just can't win.

You’re absolutely right. This is our brand now. It’s who we are. Cal made this be our system. Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Michigan State can return studs. We lose Gabriel, Briscoe, Humphries, Diallo, Vanderbilt, and more.
 
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Taking a new roster to regional championship game is an achievement? Hahaha what would happen if we had relatively normal roster turnover? Talent only takes you so far. Elite 8 is about the ceiling after that you need returning contributors to win a championship. Forget it we’ve become OAD U for fringe nba players and we have become elite 8 U for results. The cal cult is happy with that but I’m going to tell you a couple more seasons like this and the backlash will out number the cal cult. It’s growing every year since 2015. Remember what happened after 8 years of tubby not making a ff?? It’s going to be far worse bc the cal can do no wrong crowd is a nasty group.

I like cal don’t get me wrong but I don’t take his word or what he does hook line and sinker and I’m not going to drink the kool aid. The people who are most concerned don’t post on message forums and they have held their tongue publicly but this continues and there is going to be a reckoning. The cal can do no wrong crowd is dwindelling but their voices are the loudest.

Goodness, you sound so silly. “The people who are most concerned don’t post on message forums,” “there is going to be a reckoning.” What’s going on in your head? Where are you? Do you think most people live and die by recruiting and roster turnover as you do?

Get over yourself.
 
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kl40504_rivals

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Lucky for Cal freak of nature Anthony Davis came along once in his 10 years. Supported by the best 2 returning sophomores he's ever had at one time while at UK, Jones and Lamb. Oh yeah, a Kentucky kid that a drunk recruited for him. All sorts of off-normal things fell into place that year.

And what fell in place all these other years.

 

kl40504_rivals

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No, just saying if you go with greater highs and lower lows than Nova is the model. Even their lows they make the tournament and are a top 20-25 team. It’s the alternative to UK in how to build a roster.
Understand but other than the two titles they have not been as good or as consistent as Cal has been.
 

KYFOSSIL

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It is interesting about the hijacking of threads. And I get what you say about the whining. I’ve been accused of that even though I’m always posting positive comments. But folks want their agenda to be validated. Gotta be able to be both supportive and critical, and be thoughtful in posts. Too many have no ability to be anything other than extreme. Especially the pumpers.
On this we will disagree. There have been a ton of extreme, over the top posts/attacks by the CLOD anytime things don’t go their way yet they never celebrate when the team/ coach does well. Not to mention some post just to stir the pot because they never have nor never will like Cal. There were people like that with Tubby as well and they were wrong too.

I appreciate what Cal has done for this program but I am a UK fan not a Rupp, Hall, Pitino, Sutton, BCG Tubby or Cal fan. But while they are the appointed coach they are part of the team and I support them.
 

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On this we will disagree. There have been a ton of extreme, over the top posts/attacks by the CLOD anytime things don’t go their way yet they never celebrate when the team/ coach does well. Not to mention some post just to stir the pot because they never have nor never will like Cal. There were people like that with Tubby as well and they were wrong too.

I appreciate what Cal has done for this program but I am a UK fan not a Rupp, Hall, Pitino, Sutton, BCG Tubby or Cal fan. But while they are the appointed coach they are part of the team and I support them.
Fair points. Don’t disagree.
 

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Seems like this comes at a time when staff is floating offers to any and all grad transfers. First Sestina and now possibly Blackshear? Can you blame EJ?
So a player’s first coach is telling players he recruited they are not good enough by going after players from another team.

Just work on the players on the team. Improve them.
 

billCgmx

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I think he will be back. If not, then I don't think we can ever win at recruiting.

We get a 5* center who comes off the bench and averages 6.2 points and 4.1 rebounds/game and thinks he is a first round pick.

Michigan State has a point guard in Cassius Winston who is a second-team All-American, averaging 18.8 points and 7.5 assists/game and he comes back for his senior year.

We can't get the top recruits. The 50-150 type recruits leave because they are unhappy. We just can't win.

Woe is us.

Cal might as well pack it in and we shouldn't bother playing next season.
 

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EJ ain't going anywhere...no harm in getting information and learning the process. This is exactly what pj did last yr. Cal let's info out in snippets to let the players have their fun or ego massaged. Cal sees the bigger picture and actually knows what is going on in recruiting and who is more than likely going where. Maybe EJ got excited seeing his teammates his age posting their new rides etc...think Cal should ask the players leaving to show more restraint...KJ on tmz in a 300k car is ridiculous and anything before the draft should be muted. Just shows the what is important to this generation, flash vs substance...EJ will return, EJ will lead is to number 9 and be picked in the first 8. Book it
 
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EJ ain't going anywhere...no harm in getting information and learning the process. This is exactly what pj did last yr. Cal let's info out in snippets to let the players have their fun or ego massaged. Cal sees the bigger picture and actually knows what is going on in recruiting and who is more than likely going where. Maybe EJ got excited seeing his teammates his age posting their new rides etc...think Cal should ask the players leaving to show more restraint...KJ on tmz in a 300k car is ridiculous and anything before the draft should be muted. Just shows the what is important to this generation, flash vs substance...EJ will return, EJ will lead is to number 9 and be picked in the first 8. Book it

I'll book it! How much you want on the wager?
 

billCgmx

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Neither was ulis there’s your answer

And if Tyler had returned for another season, he would had competed against the #6 ranked freshman in the country (De'Aaron Fox) for playing time. The same Fox who went on to become a 1st team All-SEC player as a freshman.

Who is Winston competing against for playing time next season at Michigan State?

If you were an upcoming junior like Tyler, would you rather compete against a highly rated freshman for playing time or would you rather compete against NBA players while earning a salary?
 

FrankUnderwood

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Your outburst suggests some frustration. I get it.

You need to be able to handle context and nuance.

Winning titles is the goal. Period. Doesn’t mean the year is a failure without one. Of course not.

But don’t lower the standard. Even if it’s difficult to achieve.


I dunno, Wildcats1st and a few others obviously have a juvenile and child like view of things
 
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KyFaninNC

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EJ ain't going anywhere...no harm in getting information and learning the process. This is exactly what pj did last yr. Cal let's info out in snippets to let the players have their fun or ego massaged. Cal sees the bigger picture and actually knows what is going on in recruiting and who is more than likely going where. Maybe EJ got excited seeing his teammates his age posting their new rides etc...think Cal should ask the players leaving to show more restraint...KJ on tmz in a 300k car is ridiculous and anything before the draft should be muted. Just shows the what is important to this generation, flash vs substance...EJ will return, EJ will lead is to number 9 and be picked in the first 8. Book it
How bout giving us the winning power ball numbers for tonight, since you can see the future.