Edit: Open question about the Jai stuff.

*Fox2Monk*

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The problem with this line of thinking is you frame your position in such a way that makes it look like losing Jai is an isolated incident. It is but another sign of Cal’s decline.
Exactly, the two situations aren’t remotely the same. Is Duke struggling to replace Smith Jr. to get recruits? (Looks at 22 and 23 class and sees who the got to replace Smith). When is the last time Duke had a chance at a title and made the Final Four? After checking my notes I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s not on the same ballpark. Excuse me while I now go throw up for saying anything decent about Duke.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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Nolan Smith’s dad won a title at Louisville. At least there was some connection. Lucas clearly saw the writing on the wall with Cal
This as well ^. Nolan Smith’s entire family is from Louisville. Jai was already at a blue blood and highly regarded and has no ties to Duke or John Schyer.
 
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kyjeff1

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Why are you like this? Lol. You like to puff your chest eh?
Cal makes it easy to do. Some of us saw the crash coming years ago and were vocal about it. Meanwhile, fools, like you, took shots at us and called us program haters. Well, ****'s gettin' real now. We're getting laughed at. Eventually you'll come around and I want to be here when it happens.
 

kyjeff1

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I'm not defending one way or the other, but what does it say about Duke that they lost Nolan Smith, who won a national title at Duke (vs. Lucas who really had no affinity to Kentucky), to Louisville.

Same situation- Nolan Smith was going to be asst #3 at Duke (same with Lucas here), and he got a pay raise and a bump up in standing to go to a different school.

Very similar situations. Not defending, just saying it happens sometimes if the assistant realizes he's probably going to remain third fiddle on his current staff. Happens every year at pretty much every school.

Kansas lost one of their top assistants, Jerrence Howard, last year to Texas for the same reason. He had been at KU, and went to a lesser-school (Texas), for a pay increase and a title bump.

It just happens, the sky isn't falling.

Just one man's opinion.
To me, it's not just about this Jai Lucas thing. This is just another shot to the gut and since the Wisconsin loss in 2015, it's been one gut shot after another.

Just toss one more emmbarrassing event on top of the heap while Cal stands in the middle of the blaze telling everybody it's fine, we're still the gold standard.

Enough is enough.
 

Catluv

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Doesn't make what just happened feel any different.
On a national level, this is a really bad look.
Well we can wring our hands and quit or get another coach and get to work. Jai was here two years how did we fair those years. I think our program will survive. He wasn’t here for our best years.
 
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billCgmx

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Are you serious?

We didn't sit Sharpe, Cal did.
We didn't go 9-16, Cal did.
We didn't lose to a 15 seed, Cal did.
We didn't lose 17 of the last 20 head-to-heads against Duke for RSCI top 10 recruits, Cal did.
We didn't just lose our most efficient recruiter to a rival program, Cal did.

You should apply for Calipari's Minister of Propaganda. You still don't seem to understand that no one is "piling on" anything. We're simply studying the situation for what it actually is.
I can understand fans wanting to fully support and cheer for Cal since he represents this university and BB program and has brought us past success. But the way some people refuse to place any blame on Calipari just borders on creepy and cultlike. Do these fans think the Kentucky program will cease to exist without Cal?
 

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Are you serious?

We didn't sit Sharpe, Cal did.
We didn't go 9-16, Cal did.
We didn't lose to a 15 seed, Cal did.
We didn't lose 17 of the last 20 head-to-heads against Duke for RSCI top 10 recruits, Cal did.
We didn't just lose our most efficient recruiter to a rival program, Cal did.

You should apply for Calipari's Minister of Propaganda. You still don't seem to understand that no one is "piling on" anything. We're simply studying the situation for what it actually is.
Just another whine day at the office. If not Lucas it is something else.
 

kl40504_rivals

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This as well ^. Nolan Smith’s entire family is from Louisville. Jai was already at a blue blood and highly regarded and has no ties to Duke or John Schyer.
And no ties to Kentucky. Maybe the guy got a better offer. Of course no one on this board would take a pay increase and higher position with another company.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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And no ties to Kentucky. Maybe the guy got a better offer. Of course no one on this board would take a pay increase and higher position with another company.
No saying that, the problem also wasn’t money, UK would have matched any offer, the problem is not wanting to increase his role to keep him in the first place. Especially since they knew two weeks ago he was being courted.
 

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No saying that, the problem also wasn’t money, UK would have matched any offer, the problem is not wanting to increase his role to keep him in the first place. Especially since they knew two weeks ago he was being courted.
You don’t know what UK would have done. Just speculation as usual passed off as if it is fact. Must be a MSNBC advocate.
 

docholiday51

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The departure of Lucas and the way it happened seems to say there is clearly something going on with the basketball program. Could this be Sharpe fallout or some other issue among the coaching staff?

I will be interested in two factors here, 1. how quickly will a replacement be named, 2. what names will surface as candidates. A third issue could be if coaching duties will be shuffled or reassigned.
 

kybassfan

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No point in arguing with wankers like you at this point. You just have that keyboard set to ‘auto-defend.’ Every argument you make is one I’d be embarrassed about and my elementary aged children can see the flaws and weaknesses.

You’re a troll.
Says the guy that jumps at the opportunity to use the coaches family or body parts in an argument. I bet your kids are ashamed of daddy talking about unsubstantiated contact with another man or his body parts. Pretty disgusting.
Nah, he's just the dumbest.
Yet vastly more intelligent than you. That’s what happens when you hang around U6 morons. How many accounts you posting with now? Some guy outed your *** bad the other day.
 

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handlers did.


Covid


Final 8 team, 3 injuries




Nike was playing a huge role..




Assistant coaches change teams all the time. Cry!!!!!!


Standard seething hater response when you hit’em in the mouth with facts. U6 or KY hater fan? Nobody knows.
Funny, one man’s ‘facts’ are another man’s ‘excuses’.
 
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seccats04

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And how about the Kansas assistant leaving KU to go to Texas, right on the heels of a 40 point drumming in the NCAA Tournament and Self not having won a title in 13 years.

What is the excuse there?
Self has been consistent at Kansas unlike Cal at UK. Self has two E8's, a F4 and a Title since 2015. And they were the overwhelming favorite in 2020 when the tournament got canceled. Plus he has won the regular season B12 every year except one since he's been at KU. Cal has only won the regular season ONCE since 2017 and the SECT ONCE since 2017.
 

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This piece by Drew Franklin is what concerns me the most. Cal is the emperor with no clothes on..

Is Calipari in denial? I already worried Calipari has been in denial over some of Kentucky’s problems lately and his statement on Lucas did not ease any worries. In Calipari’s statement admitting he lost a staff member to Duke, his rival, Calipari tries to spin how good Kentucky’s staff is and how his assistants get offers all the time. OK, that’s good to know, but Duke just took the young star, so maybe now’s not the time to spin the message. Admittedly, I’m overanalyzing a paragraph on Twitter, but I hope Calipari isn’t truly thinking he lost one of his coaches because Lucas got a “promotion,” as Calipari put it. The reality is, Jon Scheyer just slapped the floor in Kentucky’s face by stealing one of the game’s best young recruiters, and shrugging it off as a “promotion” for Lucas can be problematic. Going from a Hall of Famer’s staff at Kentucky to Jon Scheyer’s staff at Duke (Jon Scheyer!) should not be a promotion for anyone.
 

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No saying that, the problem also wasn’t money, UK would have matched any offer, the problem is not wanting to increase his role to keep him in the first place. Especially since they knew two weeks ago he was being courted.
They would have had to demote Bruiser, Orlando, or Chin to promote Jai.
 

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Anyone spinning this as no big deal is not being honest. Is it a death blow? Of course not. Jai would be third behind O & Chin in importance, I don’t believe this will have a major effect on recruiting.

However, perception wise it’s not a good look. For Duke to be able to come and cherry pick a UK asst sends a National message. I’m not overly worried about it, but, as others have said, it seems to fit into a somewhat larger pattern of decline.

Having said that, still excited for upcoming season, things like this can be easily forgotten if the team is as good as I think they can be next year.
 
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docholiday51

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Anyone spinning this as no big deal is not being honest. Is it a death blow? Of course not. Jai would be third behind O & Chin in importance, I don’t believe this will have a major effect on recruiting.

However, perception wise it’s not a good look. For Duke to be able to come and cherry pick a UK asst sends a National message. I’m not overly worried about it, but, as others have said, it seems to fit into a somewhat larger pattern of decline.

Having said that, still excited for upcoming season, things like this can be easily forgotten if the team is as good as I think they can be next year.
Agree, with the Brooks departure we need 2 more players who can be productive. It will be interesting how we fill the coaching position. Do we get a young guy or someone with a proven history, maybe someone with UK ties? Can we find someone who can bring a player with him right out of the gate?
 

Atrain7732

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Agree, with the Brooks departure we need 2 more players who can be productive. It will be interesting how we fill the coaching position. Do we get a young guy or someone with a proven history, maybe someone with UK ties? Can we find someone who can bring a player with him right out of the gate?
Personally, I would like to see a younger guy that can maybe interact with the recruits a little more on their level. Similar to how Jai would have done I suppose. I am sure Cal and staff have known this was in the works for a bit I would guess we hear the replacement within next couple weeks.

Didn’t think about this until you mentioned UK ties, but seems like I saw awhile back Rondo was maybe interested in getting into coaching. Someone like him would be intriguing. I’m not really knowledgeable on this kinda stuff, I’m sure whoever the replacement is he will be legit. As long as it’s not Brad haha.
 
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K_TIME

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I think for most it’s just losing more to Duke is the rub but in bigger picture…I’m not sure it’s a huge ordeal

1. I thought Antigua and Chin were huge recruiting asst as well. So go hire another young connected AAU guy and move on
2. Cal is supposed to be a a guy “ that can recruit the best” which his failure or success as the head coach is by far the biggest part of program success…not one of three recruiting asst coaches that left
3. It’s not like Jai was a heavy teaching or gameplan asst. So again it’s more on Cal vs asst

I’d prefer to keep Jai He did get Collins and Sharpe. I’m not so sure he was the main TyTy recruiter. But we need the head coach to get his act in gear…the asst isn’t going to make or break this thing
 

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Our new assistant needs to be a true blue UK former player like Phelfrey or Darris Miller or any former UK player with blue blood in them.
 

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I'm not defending one way or the other, but what does it say about Duke that they lost Nolan Smith, who won a national title at Duke (vs. Lucas who really had no affinity to Kentucky), to Louisville.

Same situation- Nolan Smith was going to be asst #3 at Duke (same with Lucas here), and he got a pay raise and a bump up in standing to go to a different school.

Very similar situations. Not defending, just saying it happens sometimes if the assistant realizes he's probably going to remain third fiddle on his current staff. Happens every year at pretty much every school.

Kansas lost one of their top assistants, Jerrence Howard, last year to Texas for the same reason. He had been at KU, and went to a lesser-school (Texas), for a pay increase and a title bump.

It just happens, the sky isn't falling.

Just one man's opinion.
Sad the amount of people on this board that are to stupid to figure this out
He goes from #3 to #1 and probably quadrupled his salary
 

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I’m still laughing at this hair ripping lament over an assistant coach. Hater boys of the UBB are really in the dregs looking for material. I really likely the whiny know it all comment that some have seen it coming on for years. What an asinine comment, though unsurprising considering the source.
 

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I'm not defending one way or the other, but what does it say about Duke that they lost Nolan Smith, who won a national title at Duke (vs. Lucas who really had no affinity to Kentucky), to Louisville.

Same situation- Nolan Smith was going to be asst #3 at Duke (same with Lucas here), and he got a pay raise and a bump up in standing to go to a different school.

Very similar situations. Not defending, just saying it happens sometimes if the assistant realizes he's probably going to remain third fiddle on his current staff. Happens every year at pretty much every school.

Kansas lost one of their top assistants, Jerrence Howard, last year to Texas for the same reason. He had been at KU, and went to a lesser-school (Texas), for a pay increase and a title bump.

It just happens, the sky isn't falling.

Just one man's opinion.
Best answer I have seen on this situation . It happens all the time. We are Kentucky and we will be fine. When Cal decides to retire we will still be KENTUCKY !
 

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Sad the amount of people on this board that are to stupid to figure this out
He goes from #3 to #1 and probably quadrupled his salary
That is what I'm wondering too. I don't like losing Jai but he was clearly our #3 guy. Is he now Duke #1,#2? What? Maybe our new #3 will be just as good or better, hopefully
 

kyjeff1

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Well we can wring our hands and quit or get another coach and get to work. Jai was here two years how did we fair those years. I think our program will survive. He wasn’t here for our best years.
You're making a completely different point/arguement. Nobody said we should just sit here and call it quits. This is a message board, we're talking about the state of the program and the multiple gut punches we have taken these last few years.

But here's the thing, do you trust Cal to make the necessary changes that are needed to get UK basketball back to the top? Do you trust him to replace Jai with a legit home run candidate?

I don't and that's why I'm here talking about it with other UK fans.
 

kyjeff1

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Seriously? A thread doing nothing but calling out another poster? OP is a better poster than this.
Yeah, well, SOS and many others, get called out everytime UK wins a game, or a coach on someone's "possible Cal replacement" list loses a game. Are you going to start calling those guys out?
 

kyjeff1

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Sad the amount of people on this board that are to stupid to figure this out
He goes from #3 to #1 and probably quadrupled his salary
You can't call people stupid, if you can't even spell the word "too" correctly, for one thing, but this isn't about what Jai gained, this is about UK getting punked by Duke, yet again. They have taken 17 out of 20 recruits from us and now, they've poached an ace recruiter from us… .a young one at that.

It's a bad look and if you don't understand why, then it's not everyone else that is too stupid.