Dylan Harper Update

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Maria has done a great job of not turning her son's recruitment into a circus. He actually seems like a pretty low-key kid. It's all the self-proclaimed recruiting analysts who are doing their best to manufacture drama when there really is none.

I’ve said something similar previously. Dylan isn’t creating drama. As far as I can tell he’s been publicly quiet. It’s blowhards who need to sell “content” and impatient fans creating the drama.

Sure I want him to commit and would prefer he do it sooner than later.

But him being patient is better than what college sports has also seen from big time prospects - a kid changing his commitment like the wind.
 

Kbee3

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I'm gonna remain nervous about Dylan actually committing here until I get a "Take It To The Bank" from Mr. Television.
 
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Greene Rice FIG

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Not true.Ace and Dylan are difference makers that would make Rutgers ranked preseaason.Mag and Cliff would be important contributors but Rutgers wouldn't be ranked without Ace and Dylan.It would be a status quo type squad.
Preseason rankings?!?

Do you really think Year 1 Ace or Dylan has more of an impact than Cliff and Mag in a potential Year 5?

There is a HUGE difference between potential NBA talent and an upper classmen helping teams win games.

Expectations are way too high if people think Ace Bailey would be more important to Rutgers 2024-25 than Cliff
 
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How many of the Rivals top 5 last year would Rutgers have been better off on their roster than Cliff last year?
How about even Mag?
or even Spencer?
 

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I agree with Belly. Greene is nuts if he doesn't think the presence of the numbers 2 and 3 recruits in the entire country is more beneficial to the program than the current good, but not great players.
Which of the Top 5 recruits last year were great college players?

Do you think Lively at Duke would have been better playing for RU than Cliff last year? I know Lively couldn't even come close to defending the high screen like Cliff did in Year 3.

Do you think #1 Dariq Whitehead would have been more valuable to Rutgers than Spencer?
Do you think the guy at Texas or Arkansas would have been more valuable last year than Caleb?
 

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Which of the Top 5 recruits last year were great college players?

Do you think Lively at Duke would have been better playing for RU than Cliff last year? I know Lively couldn't even come close to defending the high screen like Cliff did in Year 3.

Do you think #1 Dariq Whitehead would have been more valuable to Rutgers than Spencer?
Do you think the guy at Texas or Arkansas would have been more valuable last year than Caleb?
How about Chet Holmgren and Jalen Hardy from the class of 2021?
 

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How about Chet Holmgren and Jalen Hardy from the class of 2021?
Pretty sure I'd take Year 3 Cliff over both.

Definitely would have taken Cliff over Emoni Bates!

How the high screen is defended is SO important in the game today. Having a shot blocker is important as well.
 

RUBob75

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Pretty sure I'd take Year 3 Cliff over both.

Definitely would have taken Cliff over Emoni Bates!

How the high screen is defended is SO important in the game today. Having a shot blocker is important as well.
I intentionally did not include Emoni Bates.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I intentionally did not include Emoni Bates.
I intentionally added it to further my point.

I actually saw live Memphis play UCF while in Florida. I didn't know who Duran was but we went to see Bates play. Quickly realized Duran was the best player on Memphis along with one of their guards.
 

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Landing Ace and Dylan would change the Rutgers basketball program forever

Don't discount the impact on future recruiting that landing 2 top 3 prospects who become 1 and done lottery picks would have on future recruiting
Look at it from both sides.

What if either or both aren't actually lottery picks.
 

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Also, Dylan Ace are not busting. They could get hurt like any player, but they are both the real deal with good heads on their shoulders. When players that talented bust, it's usually that they don't have what it takes mentally, not physically. Zero concern with either
 

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Dylan was teasing a commitment for weeks.

It’s not outrageous to call drama if this thing is now headed for a spring decision.
 
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If you don’t want the top 3 players who are 5 star 1 and done projected prospects out of fear they bust, you're thinking about it completely wrong
I don't have all the information. What if Cam Spencer isn't on the team because we needed to save money for Ace and Dylan.

I also think it is going to be a huge adjustment for Dylan and Ace to defend like our program requires OR a bigger adjustment for Pikiell to change philosophies.

The HS game I saw of Dylan on the defensive end would definitely not cut it.
 

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You have no idea of the significance of landing Dylan
Can't be nearly as significant as what making the NCAA tournament 2 years in a row was.

Reality is more important than what happens on paper.

Game is evolving too.....having $ to pay players is going to drive a lot of decisions.

We are on the college basketball map based on what we have done on the court.
 

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I don't have all the information. What if Cam Spencer isn't on the team because we needed to save money for Ace and Dylan.

I also think it is going to be a huge adjustment for Dylan and Ace to defend like our program requires OR a bigger adjustment for Pikiell to change philosophies.

The HS game I saw of Dylan on the defensive end would definitely not cut it.
You trade Spencer for Ace and Dylan 100% of the time without question

Dylan has to save some energy on defense in HS bc he was required to expend so much energy on offense trying to make plays every single trip down the court on offense

Dylan and Ace won't be defensively liabilities. What they bring on the offensive end is a whole new world compared to the type of offensive talent we have had here
 

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Pretty sure I'd take Year 3 Cliff over both.

Definitely would have taken Cliff over Emoni Bates!

How the high screen is defended is SO important in the game today. Having a shot blocker is important as well.
Ha, Chet Holmgren, in his one season at Gonzaga averaged 3.7 blocks per game, Cliff’ best was last year at 2.1. Chet in his one season also scored more points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, and steals per game than Cliff ever has. And he shot 39% from 3 and was a much better on ball defender than Cliff. Basically Chet was superior to Cliff in every way in his one year of college.
 

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You trade Spencer for Ace and Dylan 100% of the time without question

Dylan has to save some energy on defense in HS bc he was required to expend so much energy on offense trying to make plays every single trip down the court on offense

Dylan and Ace won't be defensively liabilities. What they bring on the offensive end is a whole new world compared to the type of offensive talent we have had here
I think your 2nd point is an excuse and not true.

I do have confidence that Pike (and really the program) will get Dylan to expend more energy defensively.

SERIOUS QUESTION JUST FOR YOU.........

Knowing everything you know about next year's team........would we better off (assuming Dylan was transported to 2023-24) WINS AND LOSSES for 2023-24 with a completely healthy Mag or Harper?
 

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Ha, Chet Holmgren, in his one season at Gonzaga averaged 3.7 blocks per game, Cliff’ best was last year at 2.1. Chet in his one season also scored more points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, and steals per game than Cliff ever has. And he shot 39% from 3 and was a much better on ball defender than Cliff. Basically Chet was superior to Cliff in every way in his one year of college.
I didnt see Holmgren play day in and day out...looking at numbers I short sold him. I doubt year 1 Chet could have defended high screens like Cliff has done in Year 2 and Year 3.

People significantly underestimate the impact both Myles and Cliff have had on the program AND basically helping put Rutgers on the college basketball map. Obviously there are parts of Cliff's game that are liabilities and his development in some areas have been disappointing. Trust me....wen Cliff is gone we will quickly realize how much we miss him. His value to us on the court doesn't all show up on a box score.
 
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You trade Spencer for Ace and Dylan 100% of the time without question

Dylan has to save some energy on defense in HS bc he was required to expend so much energy on offense trying to make plays every single trip down the court on offense

Dylan and Ace won't be defensively liabilities. What they bring on the offensive end is a whole new world compared to the type of offensive talent we have had here
To be clear. Ace Bailey will be the most impactful freshman player in Rutgers history and I am including Sellers and James Bailey. Ace in my opinion should be the # 1 player in the class. Dylan should be just behind with his versatility. Greene you should have no concerns about any of your perceived notions that they cannot play defense as both can and will. But they also will score relentlessly , block shots and get up and down the court and hit 3’s. I say this without much hesitation , we are heading to the Final Four with that 2024 class and I am including Somerville’s contributions and I expect Mag back but Cliff to leave. Wolf and Somerville and Ogbole should be fine at center.
 

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To be clear. Ace Bailey will be the most impactful freshman player in Rutgers history and I am including Sellers and James Bailey. Ace in my opinion should be the # 1 player in the class. Dylan should be just behind with his versatility. Greene you should have no concerns about any of your perceived notions that they cannot play defense as both can and will. But they also will score relentlessly , block shots and get up and down the court and hit 3’s. I say this without much hesitation , we are heading to the Final Four with that 2024 class and I am including Somerville’s contributions and I expect Mag back but Cliff to leave. Wolf and Somerville and Ogbole should be fine at center.
This is a very RutgersAl view of things...what is Savon Huggins up to these days?

Were any of my concerns about Paul Mulcahy wrong or invalid?
 

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1. I completely disagree with @Greene Rice FIG about the impact of Harper/Ace.

2. I do think people are putting a little too high of immediate results for 2024-2025 just because of Harper/Ace.

We literally have threads every year of people here mocking "blue bloods" and how they flame out in the tournament because they have all freshman. About how people here would rather have "experienced upper classmen instead of star freshman".

Now that Rutgers is getting these elite freshman - the tide has certainly turned pretty quick around here.
Obviously I think we would all agree HC Pike is better than HC Howard (I actualy don't know but one coaches here so he's obviously better)

People called Duke's season a failure with their 1st round draft picks.
People routinely mock HC Cal and Kentucky for not enough success despite all their 1st round picks.
This thread is only 3 months old.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...afted-in-the-first-round.262342/#post-6345270
 

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I didnt see Holmgren play day in and day out...looking at numbers I short sold him. I doubt year 1 Chet could have defended high screens like Cliff has done in Year 2 and Year 3.

People significantly underestimate the impact both Myles and Cliff have had on the program AND basically helping put Rutgers on the college basketball map. Obviously there are parts of Cliff's game that are liabilities and his development in some areas have been disappointing. Trust me....wen Cliff is gone we will quickly realize how much we miss him. His value to us on the court doesn't all show up on a box score.
I think Cliff is a very good college player and we should certainly miss him when he is gone, but there is a reason we are always a bubble team, vs a Gonzaga, who finished 28-4 and were ranked 1st in the final regular season AP poll. They had a far better player than we had playing the center position that year.
 

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You trade Spencer for Ace and Dylan 100% of the time without question

Dylan has to save some energy on defense in HS bc he was required to expend so much energy on offense trying to make plays every single trip down the court on offense

Dylan and Ace won't be defensively liabilities. What they bring on the offensive end is a whole new world compared to the type of offensive talent we have had here
Don't get me wrong, Dylan is a great offensive talent, but I just watched the entire Camden game and he does not expend much energy on offense. When he wasn't shooting the ball, which he looked to do about 75% of the time he had it, he basically stood around. Way too often IMO, when shots went up, he just watched them. At the other end I would describe his defense as kind of lazy - rarely even bent his knees - looked bored on defense. Great one on one talent. Without ever admitting it, he'll drive Pike crazy.
 

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Landing Ace and Dylan would change the Rutgers basketball program forever

Don't discount the impact on future recruiting that landing 2 top 3 prospects who become 1 and done lottery picks would have on future recruiting
looked at 2023 NBA draft and compared to 2022 Rivals

only 6 made it to 1st 15 picks
2. Brandon Miller #17
6. Anthony Black #20
8. Jarace Walker #12
10. Cason Wallace #8
12. Dereck Lively #3
13 Gradey Penis #28

Maybe last year was an anamoly, but penciling in Harper and/or Bailey as a 1 one done lottery pick........

At least last year tons of busts if we are under the thinking top 5 is next year's lottery pick
 

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Don't get me wrong, Dylan is a great offensive talent, but I just watched the entire Camden game and he does not expend much energy on offense. When he wasn't shooting the ball, which he looked to do about 75% of the time he had it, he basically stood around. Way too often IMO, when shots went up, he just watched them. At the other end I would describe his defense as kind of lazy - rarely even bent his knees - looked bored on defense. Great one on one talent. Without ever admitting it, he'll drive Pike crazy.
We might have watched the same game.
 

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looked at 2023 NBA draft and compared to 2022 Rivals

only 6 made it to 1st 15 picks
2. Brandon Miller #17
6. Anthony Black #20
8. Jarace Walker #12
10. Cason Wallace #8
12. Dereck Lively #3
13 Gradey Penis #28

Maybe last year was an anamoly, but penciling in Harper and/or Bailey as a 1 one done lottery pick........

At least last year tons of busts if we are under the thinking top 5 is next year's lottery pick
Bailey yes. Harper, I don't see it.
 

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looked at 2023 NBA draft and compared to 2022 Rivals

only 6 made it to 1st 15 picks
2. Brandon Miller #17
6. Anthony Black #20
8. Jarace Walker #12
10. Cason Wallace #8
12. Dereck Lively #3
13 Gradey Penis #28

Maybe last year was an anamoly, but penciling in Harper and/or Bailey as a 1 one done lottery pick........

At least last year tons of busts if we are under the thinking top 5 is next year's lottery pick
The top 2 players had serious injuries during their 1 year, which damaged their draft position, though they both still went in the first round. Lively at #3 was also banged up all year, also hurt his draft (he is now healthy and looked great at summer league). And Filipowski at 5 probably should have gone into the draft but didn’t, and would have been a mid first round pick.
 
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