Dylan Harper Update

[RedTeamUpstream94]

Dylan can do whatever he wants. It is his life. But I will say this. If after everything put out there for him to come to Rutgers..
Location.(mom)
Ace. (Partner)
Legacy.(Brother Ron)
Staffs commitment to him. (World wide travel and long term commitment for a "one and done")
NIL funds sourced.

If he pulls a last minute rug.. .. to quote Tom Petty.. "Don't come around here no more"

I'm an old school guy and not a fan of chasing so called one and dones. But if Pike wants him this much he'd leap frog Lance, Dantey, Rosario, Etch, Omoury, and the rest of those screw jobs as the biggest xxxxx to have played Rutgers (sorry for the misspelled names).

I know family says make YOUR mark and Rutgers itself holds a different value. But the name Harper and Rutgers could be a historic mark made that would have value beyond cash and live well after it's spent.

I don’t agree

All the word about Harper-to-RU has been coming from literally everyone else EXCEPT Dylan

The kid, himself, had been pretty silent about it publically

So not sure how that would be all-time screw job if he didn’t chose RU.

As far as I can recall the kid hasn’t made any promises - at least publically.

However - I agree with your last statement. If he goes to Kansas he will just be one more one-and-done to go through that factory

They literally will NOT remember him the year after he leaves.

But if he comes to RU, I totally agree, he will solidify the Harper name as an absolute legacy at Rutgers and will be remembered for a looooong time. And I am sure that will result in many more long term benefits then going to Kansas and just being one of countless one-and-dones that they process through the mill

 

[JudgeSmails56]

Dirty Kansas boosters.

He's visiting Kansas next week.

Really? Where did you see that @Morrischiano

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

KU has tremendous hoops tradition , spend happy boosters and a great campus.

But if I’m Dylan Harper I’m choosing to stay home.

 

[Morrischiano2]

Really? Where did you see that @Morrischiano

It was mentioned on the podcast two days ago. I'm a strong believer that where there is smoke there is fire. Kansas is going to make a big push of:
-We are going to open the season as the #1 team in the country
-win a national championship here in your one and done year
-RU can't win a natty next year
-We know that you're not poor but this NIL bag is 7 figures

Rutgers has strong counters to this argument but Kansas has a strong pitch. Worst case scenario is that Kansas pitches Ace too.

 

[NickRU714]

I may have misheard but it sounded like Kansas was TRYING to get Harper on campus this weekend with a bunch of other elite recruits. But it wasn't decided yet.

 

[CerealNTacos]

It was not mentioned that he is visiting kansas for sure.
Kansas is making a big push for him to visit this weekend, they have multiple 5 stars visiting.

 

[CerealNTacos]

I don’t agree

All the word about Harper-to-RU has been coming from literally everyone else EXCEPT Dylan

The kid, himself, had been pretty silent about it publically

So not sure how that would be all-time screw job if he didn’t chose RU.

As far as I can recall the kid hasn’t made any promises - at least publically.

However - I agree with your last statement. If he goes to Kansas he will just be one more one-and-done to go through that factory

They literally will NOT remember him the year after he leaves.

But if he comes to RU, I totally agree, he will solidify the Harper name as an absolute legacy at Rutgers and will be remembered for a looooong time. And I am sure that will result in many more long term benefits then going to Kansas and just being one of countless one-and-dones that they process through the mill

I do some what agree with this. It was a bit unnerving that Richie said something like, "Dylan wants to take a visit" and that basically his mom is pushing him to stay home.

And his mom is basically telling him, it would be wrong to take a visit. She wants him to stick to his word and play for the team that he said he'd play for.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

I'm not sure I believe that, and we're still waiting for those endless positives Kansas has over Rutgers.
I think you pull most of what you post out of your a%s.

I really need to spell out all of Kansas’s benefits? LolI fell bad for homers like you. Life must be hard.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

Dylan can do whatever he wants. It is his life. But I will say this. If after everything put out there for him to come to Rutgers..
Location.(mom)
Ace. (Partner)
Legacy.(Brother Ron)
Staffs commitment to him. (World wide travel and long term commitment for a "one and done")
NIL funds sourced.

If he pulls a last minute rug.. .. to quote Tom Petty.. "Don't come around here no more"

I'm an old school guy and not a fan of chasing so called one and dones. But if Pike wants him this much he'd leap frog Lance, Dantey, Rosario, Etch, Omoury, and the rest of those screw jobs as the biggest xxxxx to have played Rutgers (sorry for the misspelled names).

I know family says make YOUR mark and Rutgers itself holds a different value. But the name Harper and Rutgers could be a historic mark made that would have value beyond cash and live well after it's spent.

You’re unhinged. Embarrassing for a grown man to talk like this about a kid who has never even made a commitment to us yet. Grow up dude.

 

[ru8081]

I really need to spell out all of Kansas’s benefits? LolI fell bad for homers like you. Life must be hard.

Kansas has one large benefit. Their roster is stocked with 4 and 5 stars throughout. Even with what we will have on roster in 24-25, Kansas is superior on PAPER. But that is the only benefit, although large. But it comes with a risk. If Dylan starts out slow at Kansas he will be replaced at the blink of an eye.

 

[NickRU714]

I really need to spell out all of Kansas’s benefits? LolI fell bad for homers like you. Life must be hard.

I would say the "Kansas" benefits for a player at Harper's level are not as dramatic as for a lower rated recruit.
He's going to be a 1st round NBA draft pick - regardless of Rutgers or Kansas.
It seems Adidas is involved in both schools.
Rutgers also has another elite player committed so Harper won't be alone with everyone staring at him to bail out the team.
He'll likely have the ball in his hands at Rutgers so no worry about having a bad PG not getting him the ball and tanking his season.

Do we know if Harper really cares too much about conference or national championships in his couple of months of college?
It may come down to how much more $$ Kansas can offer? But again, how high up on the list of priorities is that for Harper?

It ultimately comes down to - none of us have any idea what the list of priorities is for Harper and how Kansas/Rutgers meet them.
Both schools definitely have overlapping and also different benefits.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

You’re unhinged. Embarrassing for a grown man to talk like this about a kid who has never even made a commitment to us yet. Grow up dude.

Sucks to be you

 

[NickRU714]

Kansas has one large benefit. Their roster is stocked with 4 and 5 stars throughout. Even with what we will have on roster in 24-25, Kansas is superior on PAPER. But that is the only benefit, although large. But it comes with a risk. If Dylan starts out slow at Kansas he will be replaced at the blink of an eye.

No elite recruit is thinking "if I start out slow I'll be benched."

This is why the recruiting pitch "Don't go to Alabama and ride the bench. They will just recruit over you and replace you with a 5 star recruit next year" never actually works.
You can't pitch on a kid with "you aren't good enough for that better program so come here".

 

[ru8081]

No elite recruit is thinking "if I start out slow I'll be benched."

This is why the recruiting pitch "Don't go to Alabama and ride the bench. They will just recruit over you and replace you with a 5 star recruit next year" never actually works.
You can't pitch on a kid with "you aren't good enough for that better program so come here".

Sorry, Dylan is not Michael Jordan. Anything can happen on a roster stocked like Kansas. It's up to the parents to instill the risks an rewards.

 

[RepeatedCrown6]

It was mentioned on the podcast two days ago. I'm a strong believer that where there is smoke there is fire. Kansas is going to make a big push of:
-We are going to open the season as the #1 team in the country
-win a national championship here in your one and done year
-RU can't win a natty next year
-We know that you're not poor but this NIL bag is 7 figures

Rutgers has strong counters to this argument but Kansas has a strong pitch. Worst case scenario is that Kansas pitches Ace too.

It was not mentioned.

Dylan is currently in the hamptons with his brother and friends this weekend (I’m going to assume he’s there for the holiday weekend).

If he doesn’t leave the hamptons to visit Kansas this weekend, we should be okay

 

[Nycrusupporter]

No elite recruit is thinking "if I start out slow I'll be benched."

This is why the recruiting pitch "Don't go to Alabama and ride the bench. They will just recruit over you and replace you with a 5 star recruit next year" never actually works.
You can't pitch on a kid with "you aren't good enough for that better program so come here".

He also wouldn’t get benched. All of these big programs live with the growing pains on one and done freshman, because they are highly likely to be better than March than they are in November, and the only way to get there is to play through early season mistakes.

 

[Caliknight]

Who the fck pays an 18 year old 2 million dollars to play at their favorite school for one year?

It’s all relative. People with money to burn. And there are a lot of people around KU’s program that have that.

It’s a rounding error to some.

 

[NickRU714]

Sorry, Dylan is not Michael Jordan. Anything can happen on a roster stocked like Kansas. It's up to the parents to instill the risks an rewards.

I tried to instill in my 6yo daughter the "risks and rewards" of having breakfast before school today.
Didn't go too well.

I'm not sure how well "Dylan - you need to consider that you won't be any good. Someone else on Kansas could be better than you and take your spot. Rutgers is less likely to bench you" talk would go with a Top 3 player in the class.

But like I said above. None of us know the inner working of his thought process or recruitment.

 

[Eagleton95.99]

Adidas isn’t going to bid against itself, that’s stupid. Any above and beyond what we are offering would come from elsewhere.

Right. My take from the podcast was not that Adidas would offer more money to Ace at Kansas, but that Adidas would pony up to help us compete against a Nike school. But since Kansas is Adidas, that advantage is no longer there. So it’s just our boosters versus their boosters regarding NIL money.

 

[DC8690]

He has never said he is coming here. All the prognosticators had him coming but there has been no commitment from him. He is free to go where he wants. I want him to come just as much as anyone, but to say he is going back on his word is ridiculous.

Also agree that he and Ace would be legends here, not so at Kansas.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

But if he comes to RU, I totally agree, he will solidify the Harper name as an absolute legacy at Rutgers and will be remembered for a looooong time. And I am sure that will result in many more long term benefits then going to Kansas and just being one of countless one-and-dones that they process through the mill

If he and Bailey play for 1 year and they lose in the 1st round of the NIT they will have ZERO legacy. Any legacy they leave will be based on performance on the court.

 

[njxchange]

People are saying Kansas has all these advantages however, my question, if you're Addidas where do you want him to play? An hour away from NYC and in the center of the media market capital of the world or Lawrence, Kansas population 96,000? I don't know about you, but I never hear about Kansas on the evening sports news until March Madness.

i dont think it matters anymore where you are. We have social media these days. Nobody is isolated anymore...

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

These kids are one injury away from losing a big pay day. I honestly don't know if/how insurance works at this level.

If Kansas or any school offers $2,000,000+ I don't see how it makes sense to not entertain it.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

If he and Bailey play for 1 year and they lose in the 1st round of the NIT they will have ZERO legacy. Any legacy they leave will be based on performance on the court.

well yeah.

but I think most people, including Dylan and Ace, would have much higher expectations than a first round lose in the NIT.

dream big (or at least realistically) FIG

 

[DHajekRC84]

You’re unhinged. Embarrassing for a grown man to talk like this about a kid who has never even made a commitment to us yet. Grow up dude.

hey kiss my ***. I didn't say anything that mean. Speaking of grow. Grow some real balls. Not just the keyboard type .

 

[DHajekRC84]

I don’t agree

All the word about Harper-to-RU has been coming from literally everyone else EXCEPT Dylan

The kid, himself, had been pretty silent about it publically

So not sure how that would be all-time screw job if he didn’t chose RU.

As far as I can recall the kid hasn’t made any promises - at least publically.

However - I agree with your last statement. If he goes to Kansas he will just be one more one-and-done to go through that factory

They literally will NOT remember him the year after he leaves.

But if he comes to RU, I totally agree, he will solidify the Harper name as an absolute legacy at Rutgers and will be remembered for a looooong time. And I am sure that will result in many more long term benefits then going to Kansas and just being one of countless one-and-dones that they process through the mill

OK, that's fair.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Adolph Rupp is a Kansas graduate. As is Dean Smith.

 

[hinson32]

It was mentioned on the podcast two days ago. I'm a strong believer that where there is smoke there is fire. Kansas is going to make a big push of:
-We are going to open the season as the #1 team in the country
-win a national championship here in your one and done year
-RU can't win a natty next year
-We know that you're not poor but this NIL bag is 7 figures

Rutgers has strong counters to this argument but Kansas has a strong pitch. Worst case scenario is that Kansas pitches Ace too.

Better listen again.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

well yeah.

but I think most people, including Dylan and Ace, would have much higher expectations than a first round lose in the NIT.

dream big (or at least realistically) FIG

I am not as bullish as most on 2024-25. This program has been built on defense and certainly not offense. Games are played with one basketball. I have a tough time thinking we do a 180 and all of a sudden build a program around outscoring teams and not winning based on the effort we put in on the defensive end.

 

[RutgersChow]

I really need to spell out all of Kansas’s benefits? LolI fell bad for homers like you. Life must be hard.

Yes, you do need to spell out the ENDLESS benefits.

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

I am not as bullish as most on 2024-25. This program has been built on defense and certainly not offense. Games are played with one basketball. I have a tough time thinking we do a 180 and all of a sudden build a program around outscoring teams and not winning based on the effort we put in on the defensive end.

um, ok.

not sure where it has ever been said that RU will all of a sudden abandon defense and just try to "out score" teams.

I think that is just an assumption that you are making. and a false one. respectfully.

whereas I assume, I think like most here, that (1) Pike/ RU will still place a strong emphasis on defense; (2) while still strong, that emphasis may not be quite as strong as years parts since we not have to solely rely on an intense defense to compete, because; (3) it will be MORE THAN BALANCED by the SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN OFFENSIVE TALENT.

frankly, I dont know where your assumption (of a 180-degree away from defense) comes from.

 

[RutgersChow]

I am not as bullish as most on 2024-25. This program has been built on defense and certainly not offense. Games are played with one basketball. I have a tough time thinking we do a 180 and all of a sudden build a program around outscoring teams and not winning based on the effort we put in on the defensive end.

Agree. I believe Dylan has talked about wanting to be the focus of the offense wherever he goes. Correct me if I am wrong on that. I have a hard time believing that given this attitude and his NBA aspirations one year from now, and the amount of money he'll be making, that he wants to come in and bust his tail on defense like Pike requires. My personal belief is that this might be the one thing holding him back from a commitment to RU.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

um, ok.

not sure where it has ever been said that RU will all of a sudden abandon defense and just try to "out score" teams.

I think that is just an assumption that you are making. and a false one. respectfully.

whereas I assume, I think like most here, that (1) Pike/ RU will still place a strong emphasis on defense; (2) while still strong, that emphasis may not be quite as strong as years parts since we not have to solely rely on an intense defense to compete, because; (3) it will be MORE THAN BALANCED by the SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN OFFENSIVE TALENT.

frankly, I dont know where your assumption (of a 180-degree away from defense) comes from.

Of course I am making assumptions or predictions. We went from a Top 10-15 to a 100 team by losing Mag. I realize part of it was due to depth, but a good part of it was losing the heart and soul of the team.

Let’s see what type of impact Bailey and Harper have.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

hey kiss my ***. I didn't say anything that mean. Speaking of grow. Grow some real balls. Not just the keyboard type .

That was the ramblings of a psychopath. The kid has made zero commitment to Rutgers so kind of weird you would feel so betrayed.

 

[wheezer]

It was mentioned on the podcast two days ago. I'm a strong believer that where there is smoke there is fire. Kansas is going to make a big push of:
-We are going to open the season as the #1 team in the country
-win a national championship here in your one and done year
-RU can't win a natty next year
-We know that you're not poor but this NIL bag is 7 figures

Rutgers has strong counters to this argument but Kansas has a strong pitch. Worst case scenario is that Kansas pitches Ace too.

I think you may have misheard

 

[RedTeamUpstream94]

Of course I am making assumptions or predictions. We went from a Top 10-15 to a 100 team by losing Mag. I realize part of it was due to depth, but a good part of it was losing the heart and soul of the team.

Let’s see what type of impact Bailey and Harper have.

so youre concerned about the additions of Ace and Dylan as it might affect the defense? or might harm the "heart and soul of the team". honestly not trying to be a wise ***, I honestly dont get the points youre trying to make here. is that what youre getting at?

as far as Mag I think the drop off had a lot more to do with the absolute lack of depth on last years team. Mag is a good player and obviously a very important piece of the defense (arguably the most important - even more than Caleb was- I will grant you that). but as important as he was, Mag was not THAT GOOD that his loss should have resulted in the drop off we experienced last year. that drop off resulted from the fact that we had NO DEPTH and there was a HUGE DROP OFF after the top (was it 6 or 7 players?!). Mag getting replaced with Oscar... come on.

and you couple that Hyatt and Paul going downhill (for whatever reason)....

lastly I'll say, I dont think were really a top 10 or 15 team before he went down (top 25 sure but top 10?). and even if we were top 25 (or whatever) we were on VERY THIN ICE due to the lack of depth (as Mag's loss quickly proved).

and what that has to do with Ace and Dylan. again, not making the connection you seem to be trying to make.

 

[ru66]

I may have misheard but it sounded like Kansas was TRYING to get Harper on campus this weekend with a bunch of other elite recruits. But it wasn't decided yet.

Yup now people can't even read but also can't hear either.

 

[cm_13]

I am not as bullish as most on 2024-25. This program has been built on defense and certainly not offense. Games are played with one basketball. I have a tough time thinking we do a 180 and all of a sudden build a program around outscoring teams and not winning based on the effort we put in on the defensive end.

The program has been built on defense because elite recruits wouldn’t be caught dead going to Rutgers.

I don’t understand how you think adding elite talent won’t make it easier to win games. The last few seasons the only formula for winning games we had was holding an opponent in the low to mid 60s and doing just enough on offense to win. Adding more talented offensive players gives you more ways to win.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The program has been built on defense because elite recruits wouldn’t be caught dead going to Rutgers.

I don’t understand how you think adding elite talent won’t make it easier to win games. The last few seasons the only formula for winning games we had was holding an opponent in the low to mid 60s and doing just enough on offense to win. Adding more talented offensive players gives you more ways to win.

As you say the formula is changing.

 

[RUDiddy777]

I think Pike is going after one and dones because even the three star guys are one and done (transfer) in the NIL era

Get the best talent. Every year. That’s the plan.