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It works when you have players who are good at scoring in isolation. Also, the endpoint of any offensive set is creating a favorable one on one matchup.
I think “except for Neb” means they didn’t have the same money as the top 6 - but certainly more than us. As much as I love Pike, Hoiberg is also a better coach.
For sure, you can always get lucky with guys who outperform their NIL - but think having reliable NIL is key to sustaining success rather than having one offs, since those guys will just leave for their worth a year later.
We just can’t say it’s luck EVERY TIME a team does better with less or the same. It can’t ALWAYS be luck. Also I’m not too sure nebby has more nil
You can get lucky any individual year with some under the radar guys who end up being studs. Sustaining success requires money.
UCF was bottom of the Big 12 the last 2 years and got in with a .500 record in conference play. They did a great job with a similar NIL pot - just spend differently. Pike ripped the bandaid off and started over, UCF went after overlooked experienced guys and made it work.
Other schools have expectations that have money. The more money Pike gets the more expectations go up. I don’t think in people realize how much our programs are fighting with one hand behind their back.
It’s the single most important factor. Everything comes after that. Nebraska has crazy money. And money goes far there.
Prior to this season, Pike is 6-3 lifetime against Hoiberg. He has certainly done very well this year, but let's not forget that he was very close to losing his job after last year. Incidentally, his son probably saved it
This is a fair point. While he deserves credit for the development of his son as a player, having a senior like that who you know is locking in to run your offense 32 mpg because it’s your own son is huge in the NIL era.
He inherited a team that went 19-17 and started with a disastrous 7-25 season. Then another 7 win season followed by a 10 year season. Finally 16-16 the year after that.
He deserves credit for a great season this year but besides this he was previously worse than Pike overall.
I don’t remember reading anywhere that he was close to losing his job after making the tournament the year prior
his overall resume is still far superior to pikiell and if you asked most to pick one coach or the other to coach Rutgers next year most would choose Hoiberg
I think that’s fair counter point - though it’s been pretty even after his first couple of years when he ran a rough squad against our best team in decades. Much like Pike, I tend to ignore the first few seasons of a coaches tenure when they inherit a tough situation (I know you’re a rational poster who realizes it usually takes time to turn things around). In fact, his track record at Nebby kind of parallels Pikes progression.
I also accounted for his success at Iowa State, getting them back to relevance and Nebraska, actually making them relevant - but you’re right, it’s a much closer comparison than implied by my post.
He went 3 whole years without winning more than 10 games. You can’t pretend those years didn’t happen. The team he inherited won 19. Pike has never won less than 14 in a season. Clearly Hoiberg is at the high point of his tenure but let’s see if that’s sustainable for him.
Struggling Nebraska Cornhuskers to bring Fred Hoiberg back as men's basketball coach
Nebraska is bringing Fred Hoiberg back as men's basketball coach for a fourth season despite the team's 7-20 record this season.
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His job was in jeopardy several years ago not last yearStruggling Nebraska Cornhuskers to bring Fred Hoiberg back as men's basketball coach
Nebraska is bringing Fred Hoiberg back as men's basketball coach for a fourth season despite the team's 7-20 record this season.
he’s had a good 3 year stretch with Nebraska and was great at Iowa state
It has nothing to do with the comparison of his tenure at Nebraska vs Pike’s time at Rutgers.
there is no comparison actually....and Hoiberg has reached levels this year Pike could only dream of...top 10 team, 20-0 start and sweet 16 and a pretty good shot at elite 8 given their opponent.
Nebraska had a history as bad or worse than Rutgers......his first couple years he gets an absolute pass no one cares if its 9 or 14 wins, dont hold 14 wins as some sort of acheivement for Pike
Im not sure anyone’s history is worse than ours, in the 30 years pre-Pike. It was little more than embarrassing “scandals” and losing seasons.
But does it not matter? If we were an incredibly bad high major team that only got 9 wins this season you’d absolutely make a massive deal about it, and rightly so. I think most aren’t crowning Pikes season this year as an achievement but also I think it’s bad faith to also not consider things like NIL budget and in general the trend between . The same posters that complain about NIL ruining college basketball and yet any attempt to judge performance in relation to salary is seen as an excuse. Even teams like Nebraska and Iowa who are outperforming their budget still had almost 1.5x Pikes budget. Pike can’t be the worst coach of all time yet also be capable of maintaining a floor that other coaches were not able to maintain. Of course, it’s a question of ceiling and how the floor sank with NIL but we shall see if Pike can coach up to some of his peers like he was able to do in the Pre NIL world.
They lost 6 out of the last 7 games played last year. He was definitely on the hot seat
That’s not true. It’s easy to say that in hindsight but Nebraska replaced a coach coming off a mediocre performance (19-17) with a new coach who went 7-25. In the 2 years following that he had another 7 win stinker and one where he won 10 wins. 3 years is a long time to be “historically” awful. Nebraska did not start out where Jordan left off at Rutgers. You can’t act as if none of that happened.
yes - Hoiberg had a great year. It’s one season. Let’s see what next year brings before proclaiming him the next coach K. Before this year he made the tournament once and was one and done. Had 3 seasons of only 7-10 total wins, and only did better than 500 twice (the one and done year and the Crown). So let’s see.
Nebraska did not have one ncaa tourney victory before last weekend....yes theirs was worse overall especially since they are known as a football school, a total afterthought in hoops. they didnt even make the ncaa tourney until 1986! At least Rutgers had the final 4 and undefeated regular season. Look this is like trying to argue the tallest midget
1986, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1998, 2014, 2024, 2026
Did Pike lose the last 6 of 7? No he did the complete opposite. His team improved dramatically over the course of the last month. Pike also had a track record of NCAA tournament appearances and many victories over top 10 programs including the #1 team in the country (at their place)
lmfao..one season of INCREDIBLE WINNING..not scraping in as a 10 seed or play in game. do you not know the difference...they were ranked in the top 10 much of the year...a national success story. Plus he already had success at Iowa State...who is trending up and who is trending down. Hoiberg is being mentioned perhaps for other jobs opening like Kansas or UNC
and who the f cares what Hoiberg did his first 3 years..thats over with and its actually a totally different college landscape now and believe me Nebby is going to be upping those $$$$ NIL next season if Hoiberg is even still there
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Pike has 2 ncaa appearances and one win and didnt even make it out of the first four the 2nd time. They beat Purdue at their place but missed the tournament, you go ahead and rally around that meaningless win. did they tell u about that yet
imagine trying to argue Pikes is as good as hoiberg because his team beat a couple of ****** teams at the end of the year
sigh...i mean they are insufferable at this point. Hoiberg isnt the guy to argue Pikes case against
Ok - maybe. Let’s see how next year goes. He was successful once. Lots of one hit wonders. We’ll see.
He also had his best team miss the tournament because of Covid, and would have made the tournament the year he beat Purdue if not for Mag's injury. Lastly, RU beats Houston(a final 4 team in 2021) if not for a missed Myles dunk. We know you hate Pike but stop misrepresenting the facts. I guarantee if you ask Tom Izzo or Matt Painter who the better coach is Pike comes out on top
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Buddy the best team he beat in the big 10 had 6 healthy players at the end of the season
he rebuilt Iowa state and made 4 ncaa tournaments in 5 years which including winning the big 12 tournament TWICE
his winning percentage is .498 at nebby pikes is .503 however which program is trending up and which is trending down
he’s made TWO tournaments in 10 years of high major coaching Hoiberg has made 6 in 11 years at two programs that were dead when he arrived
That same Minnesota team but two NCAA tournament teams. One was a top 10 team. Things are trending down because of lack of talent
Context is still needed on what Rutgers was before Pike arrived here. Forget the 30 year drought. Rutgers was over 10 years removed from having even a 500 or better season.
Hoiberg inherited a team coming off back to back trips to the NIT. Teams that won 22 and 19 games. To step into that and go 7-25, 10-20, 7-25 is not good at all and there was a reason for him to be on the chopping block at that time. Going 16-16 was an improvement but nothing spectacular after 4 years. Then he finally broke through and made the NCAAs but was one and done. Then didn’t make it last year.
So ok- he had a banner year this season but there was nothing so wonderful about his time at Nebraska until this year happened. Good for him. And even better if he can sustain it. That’s a big if. We’ll see.
He also was also blown out at Minnesota and lost at home to Washington late in the year
That was before the team started to play cohesive and well and it's a testament to Pike that the team did turn things around because the players could have easily mailed it in after those losses
I like Hoiberg a lot and especially like his son. This is no slight on my opinion of him. Just saying that there is not much difference between Pike and him. They are both good guys and good coaches
The fact that Pike made that run with Eddie Jordan's guys in BIG1G tournament is certainly a testament to his coaching prowess
I think Hoiberg is a better coach than Pike. I also don’t think he’s 50x better than him and if not for NIL we probably are having a very different discussion about Pike as a coach. Of course, that’s the job now and Pike has been poor in the NIL era. But I truly do hope with a competitive budget and him being able to resume his role as a coach and coach alone, he can show he can compete with the guys that some here think Pike can’t sniff the jockstrap of.
It’s not just NIL and operating in free agency it’s adapting and implementing a style that doesn’t require near 100% retention and roster maintenance to grow that scheme
you see teams implementing easier simplified schemes that you can teach in one offseason
Nebraska didn't extend his contract until March of 2026 for a reason. If he didn't perform well this year, he was likely out