Here’s a star playing in the NCAAs unlike we had with Ace and Dylan. In fairness I’m sure BYu has a lot more NiL than we had last year. But, does anyone know those exact numbers? How much did BYU have to spend NOT COUNTING what Dybansta got paid? How much did Dybansta get? What did Ace and Dylan get each? What did RU pay others last year not Ace and Dylan? Any estimates are appreciated because you know more than me. Thanks.
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A recent Athletic article (gift link) put Dybantsa’s NIL at $4-6 million and Robert Wright’s at $3 million: “BYU’s revenue-share salary structure for its roster this season featured an approach similar to what is done in the NBA: max out three players — Dybantsa, Wright and Saunders — and spend the remaining amount of your allotment on the rest of the roster. Wright, a former five-star high school recruit, is reportedly making $3 million this season after he left Baylor for BYU.”
So that’s maybe $10 million for three players. Scroll to the last few paragraphs to read about all of BYU’s mega-rich neighbors and donors.
So that’s maybe $10 million for three players. Scroll to the last few paragraphs to read about all of BYU’s mega-rich neighbors and donors.
It’s minor league pro b-ball, so why not follow pro salary rules & caps. 
And they are out against Texas. So much for spending so much.
Such a loaded response. I want to jump in on both sides. One they made the tourney and anything can happen in a single elim situation. But two, I’ve been told on this board forever by some the ONLY way to be Successful is with NIL, some already saying 40-50% more than we are projected to have next year. Making excuses before the season is here.
Pointing to teams getting knocked out with NIL proves the doom of this fan base
instead of trying to lean in and be competitive there’s constant cases of pointing and looking “ oh they lost” or “look at them they made it “
two things are true
NIL raises the floor and increases margin for error to make the tournament because of talent influx
Also true is in a single elimination tournament anything can happen any day … look at the world baseball classic
Not a single truly POOR team advanced yesterday
high point vcu and saint louis have LARGE NIL within the mid major world and aren’t that much less than us who are in the richest league in America
BYU had enormous NIL and made sweet 16 last year the tournament is a crap shoot in the early rounds
instead of trying to lean in and be competitive there’s constant cases of pointing and looking “ oh they lost” or “look at them they made it “
two things are true
NIL raises the floor and increases margin for error to make the tournament because of talent influx
Also true is in a single elimination tournament anything can happen any day … look at the world baseball classic
Not a single truly POOR team advanced yesterday
high point vcu and saint louis have LARGE NIL within the mid major world and aren’t that much less than us who are in the richest league in America
BYU had enormous NIL and made sweet 16 last year the tournament is a crap shoot in the early rounds
Re: Ace and Dylan, I have no idea what their actual numbers were, but IIRC it was @Mb5789 on a pod a while back who said something along the lines of "It would shock you if you knew how little NIL it took" for Rutgers to wind up with Ace and Dylan. My understanding is that they made most of their $$$ from third party deals (like Dylan with Fanatics), which tracks given what we know of our NIL situation up until now.
Yes but regardless of who paid it’s still talent RU had on the floor. I’m trying to compare the total value of BYUs 25-26 roster to the total value of RUs 24-25 roster is all
I believe that 2 of their best players got hurt this season. Dybantsa carried that team.
Texas has probably just expensive of a roster
people butt hurt over NIL aren’t paying attention
How much did High Point or Virginia Commonwealth spend on NIL to their teams this season ?
High Point spent probably 1.5 to 2 million. Their conference avg is like just under $1million
Haven't seen BYU (nor this player) the entire season. And if some key players were hurt wasn't aware. And from what I understand this player is going #1 in the draft. The only comment to the original comment was -- their investors didn't get their ROI with this early out.
According to their coach, programs that spent 10X that amount on their rosters didn't want to play them.
They suffered a major injury in early February. Guy averaged a 18ppg. They were terribly inconsistent after that. No one expected them to compete for more than a 1 win in the ncaa after that happened.
Not all talent is the same. Ace and Dylan, particularly Ace, had a high draft grade based on potential. Dybansta? Production. He’s far ahead of Ace at this same stage.
After the injury, Dybantsa was pouring in 30 plus a game. I think he had 36 in the loss to Texas. He's already doing NBA level stuff on offense.
Then, with all due respect, if we knew ahead of time he wasn’t going to be that good in college as you’re saying, and he wasn’t sticking around for two, what did the staff hope to get out of him? Next to nothing. That doesn’t make sense. While not Dybansta he should have done more here. You can’t excuse a lottery pick and say “not RUs fault”, he was never going to blossom til 25-26
Money buys talent. But someone has to properly evaluate and utilize that talent. That takes real coaching. That's what produces success.
Money certainly does not guarantee success. But without it it is is very difficult to succeed. I suspect the elite 8 will be filled with teams who spent a lot on NIL, just as the conference champions did in each of the top 5 conferences.
Success for RU would be the ncaa tourney. NIL isn’t the ONLY thing holding us back.
I forget who it was, maybe Theo Epstein, the old Red Sox/ cubs GM, that said the best you can hope for is to keep making the playoffs. Once you’re in, who knows what happens. But keep getting in and eventually you will break through. Let’s just start making the tourney.
Pretty common sense…have to be in it to win it!
I just don’t think NIL is the end all be all…it’s more money all and getting best value for players. Look at Indiana spending $15m and not getting to NCAAs.
You also need solid coaching and it appears someone like Calipari was so ahead of his time in terms of having teams that only had one year together (yes paying players before NIL) but he had to make a complete team year after year and not easy to be successful in that model for many. He was also doing it with freshman which as we saw is not the easiest thing to do.
I believe we should be prioritizing age and experience over everything else (performance/experience). Sprinkle in some potential (freshman)
You don’t really know until you get kids on campus. And even if you did you still take them and hope to develop them fast.
True but for RU so many failures and disappointments once they got on campus compared to successes. At other schools that’s grounds for termination. But here it’s just bad luck. Maybe, maybe, it’s the systems, development and accountability? It’s not just Ace, the other underachievers stretch back before NIL. But whether little is expected of a recruit or much is expected when they always underachieve here you have yourself a pattern.
All of the teams who made the tourney from the Big 10 vastly outspent RU, except for Nebraska, so money is also key just to make the tournament.
“Except for Neb” is a big statement. A key, of course, but for those saying money is the ONLY thing holding us back they’re just fooling themselves.
Dude, Nebraska is the exception that proves the rule. Nine teams made the tourney from the Big 10. EIGHT of them outspent RU by a wide margin. No one said money is the only thing, but it is fast becoming the most important factor.
Dude, there’s many on here who say it’s the only thing. Also you can’t just continually excuse the NEB, UCFs etc. agree I’d rather have more NIL but it can be done.
If you watch all these games its all about offensive sets. Our coach isnt a good offensive coach so he is like a fish out of water with how the game is played now. More money but without adapting to a new style will get us nowhere
Not everyone. As I watched the game, I thought to myself Gonzaga runs less offensive sets than we typically do. All iso.
No he’s not. My only point is there are teams that run mostly iso with success.