Don't see why spin would come into play here. It's a simple question. It can be answered with a yes or no and then his reasoning for his opinion.
Duke's 4 seed
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Don't see why spin would come into play here. It's a simple question. It can be answered with a yes or no and then his reasoning for his opinion.
I know, and you know, but he won't do it. Duke fans will never admit the bias. not without a mountain of spin.
Like I said, I;ve met one Duke fan in my entire life who admitted it. He even knew when it all started and gave several good reasons for it. Blew my mind.
We were the clear cut favorite last year and if any team in history should ever be given a freakin golden path to the final 4, it was us. A team runs the table, you reward them and set them up nicely. Duke had an easier path to get there and hell, Louisville had an easier path too until losing to MSU. We got UC, a hot WVU team that yes we drubbed and Notre Dame, then the most efficient offensive team in history in WISC. I thought Duke and WISC should have met to play us. We deserved to get Duke OR WISC., but Duke was set up to only get one, UK or WISC, not us. Those were the 3 best teams. Make them fight it out to play UK. The committee threw everything at us last year that they could without making it obvious and we were the poster child for deserving a gift path.
I think they have gotten favorable draws. Sure, hell I think they got a pretty good one this year.(It's not going to help them one bit. Oregon is the 1 seed I am least familiar with though. ) I also think they have gotten unfavorable draws. 2011, 2012 and 2013 were pretty unfavorable. They were ACC Champs in 2011 and were given a West seed. I never understood that since most ACC Champs are in the East or South. I thought their resume in 2013 was close to a 1, at least making them the strongest 2 but they were paired with the strongest 1. In 2012 they were in UK's region who was the best team in the country. Nobody wants to see their team in the same region as the best team.
That's the nature of the beast with this Tournament though.
Thanks for the response. For the record, I don't really believe that anything you said there was "spin".
The thing that really messes with us is that we don't generally think we get a good tournament draw any year since Cal's been here. You can probably say our draw was decent in 2010, or at least average. I'd also argue that in 2012 we really didn't care who was in our bracket, that team was unstoppable. You could probably say the same thing about last year but it was still a punishing road for us, considering you'd think that an undefeated team out of a P5 conference would get something favorable.
Eh, his first sentence was "I think they have gotten favorable draws." That's good enough for me.
What am I spinning? I said they have gotten favorable draws and unfavorable draws. Have they gotten more favorable than unfavorable? Give me a time frame and I'll be glad to look at each season within that time frame.
Like I said, you're just going to conflate the issue with nonsense, instead of just owning it.
Duke gets favorable draws with intent from the NCAA academics. period. There's nothing else to say.
Keep reading, he goes on to say they also get unfavorable draws, basically washing the whole thing. He's no different than any other Duke fan denying the favoritism exist. Like i said, I don't expect him to say anything different.
The better question for him, where he can't hide the answer, is this:
Does Duke bias and favoritism exist within the NCAA and academic tournament committee's in your opinion? Is there evidence to support it it actually does?
Yes or No.
@Neue Regel
Hey, a mostly honest person.
Now look at it from a UK fan perspective. Honestly, I never really had complaints about UK's seeding/placement. A few minor gripes, but no real outrage other than possibly 94 (when UK beat #1 Arkansas in the SEC final, and still got a 3, just so they could try and set up a UK/Duke rematch).
Cal gets here for 09-10. Since then:
2010- UK gets the 1 in Syracuse, with West Virginia (which was supposed to be battling with Duke for the last 1) as a 2. Duke gets Houston, with a Villanova team that no one had that high as a 2, in a region I would have given a finger to get- despite Duke being seeded below UK. It actually looks like they mixed Duke and UK up when I first see the draw.
2011- UK gets a 4, after everyone projects them as a 3, against the #1 overall seed. Meanwhile, Florida, a team that UK beat twice in 2 weeks, gets a 2. And oh yeah- UK gets to play the team that knocked them out the previous year in the 2nd round.
2012- No huge complaints- but ha-ha, how funny that UK gets the only team that beat them in the regular season as a 4.
2014- UK gets seeded 2 lines below where people are projecting. Which sets up a game against an undefeated 1 in the 2nd round. Nice. And then a possible game against Louisville. Just to get to the Elite 8.
2015- No huge complaints, but how nice that UK gets Wisconsin in the FF because they seeded Wisconsin behind Duke.
Then this year. I mean yeah, by all means, give the 3 seed to the team that UK just beat. That makes sense. And yeah, by all means make Duke the 4 in Oregon's region, since no one's really all that sure that Oregon is that good.
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the worst one is the one cal didn't mention. power six conference regular season champions were supposed to receive the biggest rewards in terms of seed/location, but our three bad losses erases this? and finishing well, winning the sect, doesn't make up for any of that?
Neue Regel, you are a great poster; however, the NCAA falls over itself year after year to help UNC and Duke. The bias against the SEC is palpable and the bias for the ACC is palpable.
This year Duke has an incredible route to the final four. Also I bet Duke would beat Oregon 4 out of 5 times.
Yes he is but according to the NCAA. • A committee member (“member”) shall not be present during any discussion regarding the selection or seeding of a team the individual represents as an athletics director or commissioner.
I truly believe, year in and year out, that Duke's seeding/bracket is based in honorarium as a way of recognizing Coach K's lifetime achievement rather than actual performance on the court. Give them the seeding or bracket, or both, they deserve and you can take away 2 NC's. Duke will always be given every opportunity to succeed.
Always appreciate your posts Bert. Have enjoyed your posts over many years. The ACC received more love this year than even they deserved and I have no problem stating that. Syracuse and Pitt getting in surprised me(more so with Pitt) Virginia gets a # 1 seed over Michigan State(wow), I had pegged Duke for a 5 at worst and they got a 4. As for Oregon, I've probably seen less Pac-12 Hoops this year than I have in other years but I've seen plenty enough of Duke to know that this time next week they'll probably be back in Durham looking to next year.
I don't know any other way to put it...SCREW Duke and that is putting it politely. If you want to pump sunshine up someone's *** go tell it to others like yourself that have drank the kool aid.
Also according to the NCAA, UofL's hooker scandal is much worse than decades of academic fraud at UNC.
Like I believe anything the tone-deaf and ignorant NCAA says.
The most corrupt institution is the one telling all the schools what not to do all the while lining their pockets due to their corruption.
The NCAA needs to be blown up as they've gotten far too greedy and corrupt, and a new system needs to be put in place.
Geez I'm just passing along what they have always said. That's a direct statement from them. What am I pumping? (aside from a lot of caffeine this morning)
You can find more info on all that here:
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...-bracket-how-68-teams-are-selected-division-i
F-ing screw Duke and the corrupt NCAA. "They" is like Putin telling us what is best for Crimea and how the rest of the Ukraine would benefit from his benevolent leadership. I don't believe a damn thing they say.
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Joe Alleva is also a former Duke AD. Just silly though to say the fact they have to step out of the room is enough to dismiss any chance of bias.
After a while trends and indicators go from suspicious to pretty much facts. K has the white hat, Cal has the black hat.
After a while trends and indicators go from suspicious to pretty much facts. K has the white hat, Cal has the black hat.
Good lord. Literally presented with facts, and shown years where Duke got crappy runs, and says it is nonsense and spin.
No, you want to know what is biased nonsense and spin?
A bitter Kentucky fan insisting there is some massive conspiracy that seems to benefit only a single school that Kentucky fans hate, and it is not only operated by dozens of people unconnected to that school (and in most cases directly opposed to that school) but has also somehow remained behind the scenes, without anyone ever admitting to it or anything.
Greatest secret conspiracy in history.
I don't know how you succeed at all, what with the entire NCAA and and all the refs and all the ADs and officials at other schools actively working against you so much, especially considering how much they work for Duke. I can't wait for the big blockbuster story where someone finally comes out and admits they were part of it. Will literally be the biggest corruption story in sports history.
*sigh*
Want to argue UK was maybe under seeded? Sure, go ahead, I might agree actually. But denying when people show you when Duke has tough seeds, ignoring that Duke has a total of one non-tourney loss compared to what... Five for UK...? Complaining about Duke not winning a league which would have put eight teams into the tournament if it wasn't for some hookers? Insisting there is some vast, multi-limbed conspiracy literally covering hundreds of people in a dozen different organizations, including many whose day to day job involves beating other teams, including Duke, all while insisting that anyone who DOESNT see it is some reality-denying blind person... It just seems so homer and so... Well, for lack of a "kinder" word, delusional.
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Yeah! RIght! And the Bracket that is in the possession of the 10 Squirrels in the Room shouldn't be tweeted out to the WORLD prior to the 2 day selection show either...
Go back to your little dUKe Forum....
except at lunch or in the bathroom or through email before and during the selection process. These are people and politics can and will happen.
I'll just remind all of the most recent blatant case of this "conspiracy" being fact... what was the one team the committee ensured Duke didn't face last tourney - would have only faced them if both made the final... a very hot team going into March last season... Duke lost to them twice last season and that team had Duke's number last season... that team almost took us out in the tourney. Any Dukies care to answer? Easily the best 3 seed last year... but in UK's bracket.
To "TheDouche1" - when you have to use hyperbole and a lengthy convoluted narrative to attempt the make your point - you are in the end only trying to justify it to yourself - not convincing others. Certainly not here of all places. Douche get the calls - the draws - the everything. If you cannot admit that - that's on you. You have an *******, dirty playing, head snapping, arm-barring, clear out with the off arming, flopping guard this year reminding the whole country of just the type program Douche is and the treatment they get. He's bringing to a new generation that reality as well. He's the definition of entitled and unaccountable - prefect for Douche.
IMO - Duke has a very good draw again this year all things considered.
To "TheDouche1" - when you have to use hyperbole and a lengthy convoluted narrative to attempt the make your point - you are in the end only trying to justify it to yourself - not convincing others. Certainly not here of all places. Douche get the calls - the draws - the everything. If you cannot admit that - that's on you. You have an *******, dirty playing, head snapping, arm-barring, clear out with the off arming, flopping guard this year reminding the whole country of just the type program Douche is and the treatment they get. He's bringing to a new generation that reality as well. He's the definition of entitled and unaccountable - prefect for Douche.
IMO - Duke has a very good draw again this year all things considered.
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You can deny it all you want. Its not just UK fans that see it. It's not my fault you can't even see whats directly in front of your face. gtfo
He's a typical Duke fan. Misconstrue whats being said and use hyperbole. Misrepresent what roads Duke actually gets, case in point years like Purdue, when they leave out the little tidbit that Purdues numbers that year were meaningless when Duke faced them because, oh, I don't know, their BEST PLAYER WAS GONE.
Duke fans live in a state of denial. They actually believe they earn their hardware. I guess if Iwere a Duke fan Id want to believe it was all earned too.
I would love to see a Duke fans face, even coach K, if the treatment we get by officials and the ncaa were done to them. They'd have a collective heart attack.
True - I just can't stand the arrogance - the "listen to me pontificate why we're right and you are so woefully lost." I appreciate the reminder though man... I personally don't go to rivals boards to try to stir it up (not judging anyone if you do - just not my thing), so by God if they come over here - even feigning fair-mindedness and reason - my bullshitometer goes off the charts.
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Did Duke beat IU with Jefferson?? Duke also got credit for a win over UVA which actually they lost with correct call on the last shot. Maybe UVA actually got credit for that win in the committee's mind. Of course Duke wasn't affected similarly. Duke is a solid team but certainly not the 13th best. As usual they got the weakest bracket but no surprise there. Look at last year's bracket. UK, KU, UNC, Wisconsin, Zona all on the other side of the bracket from Duke. But they did have Gonzaga and the Big East pretenders lol
That's the whole point. They didn't deserve their seed or their bracket, yet they get another gravy road. UK beat Duke rather easily when they were at full strength and apparently meant nothing. Duke rated higher in the NCAA seeding and given a much easier bracket. 10 losses and a 6 seed in their own tourney yet a 4 seed in the big dance. Total hogwash. Their AD being on the selection was rich. Typical cake for the phony though.
Time to Shine on CBS even just said it. The selection committee is sending messages and its obvious. They do not like Uk.
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And Duke continues to get the easiest paths possible.
You few UK fans and all Duke fans who moronically think its some ill conceived "conspiracy" need to give it up. The game is over, everyone knows. If you don't understand enough about UK basketball to get it, keep your mouth shut. No one cares about your uninformed opinion on the topic.
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And Duke continues to get the easiest paths possible.
You few UK fans and all Duke fans who moronically think its some ill conceived "conspiracy" need to give it up. The game is over, everyone knows. If you don't understand enough about UK basketball to get it, keep your mouth shut. No one cares about your uninformed opinion on the topic.
we've got it good......just like Y'all got it good and just like ANY other school with an amazing pedigree has it good (well, untill they start losing all the time).
Look, ncaa basketball is a business....it's about marketing, it's about image, it's about perception...what it's NOT about is "fairness".........that's like saying record companies care about musicians....
But we also have it "bad".....just like y'all, MILLIONS of people want to see us fail. and y'all...and unc, and kansas, and msu. there are times, and i'm sure y'all get the same, when refs almost purposely call a game to challenge us...if we don't OVER-win, we lose.....you all know the feeling...i watch UK ball and i know when they are getting hosed cause of the name on the jersey.......we get the same....kansas gets the same.....
except unc, where they deserve every bad horrible thing that has ever happened to them....
No sir, Duke has it better than anyone when it comes to the selection committee process. Uk NEVER gets the easy draw that Duke does, but its why we're the best, and Ya'll aren't.
12 and 14 you guy lost in first round. You were OBVIOUSLY over ranked. When you guys were 2-15... :-/
not sure why you would think that 13 you guys got unfavorable draw?