Duke's 4 seed

[Mike-D]

Duke
23-10 Overall
11-7 in conference play. (Tied for 5th/6th in conference play)
RPI: 19
4 seed

Can they at least finish 4th in their conference next time?

Comparing to UK.
26-8 Overall
13-5 in conference play. (Tied for 1st in conference play. Won conference tournament.)
RPI: 12
Beat Duke head to head on a neutral court by 11.
4 seed

You can't even make this **** up.

 

[bluedog79]

Yea ita some bullcrap. Its a rigged system.

 

[Aike]

Committee ranked them 13th and us 15th.

 

[mjj_2K]

The NCAA has historically been tone deaf to public perception, but I was hoping that maybe, just maybe, the controversies of past seasons would push them towards acting more logically this year. God, I couldn't have been more wrong. They might as well just come out and say "We have an agenda, and all these alleged rules about how the tournament is set up are just window dressing to try to get the suckers off our backs". That would at least be honest.

 

[KUhawks34]

You guys did get screwed although I still think you can win your bracket. If you play UNC you'll win. UK and A&M should be flipped.

They put us in Louisville instead of Chicago which has a large KU population.

MSU should have been a one over Virginia.

 

[Mikey Likes It]

Its easy, they think the SEC is poop and the ACC is the best.

 

[Mike-D]

The NCAA shouldn't even have the teams names. They should get a card for each team with all of the information they need to correctly seed them. If you need to attach which region said team is closest to, fine. I know it would never happen. Even if it did, they would figure it out. That's why a computer system needs to do this ****. You can't tell me these people picking this crap don't have some sort of agenda one way or the other. They're human. It's the same with college basketball officiating. Way too many judgment calls. Make the **** black and white.

 

[Mike-D]

Its easy, they think the SEC is poop and the ACC is the best.

so head to head neutral court games don't mean **** anymore?

 

[Aike]

so head to head neutral court games don't mean **** anymore?

You would think that if two teams have similar résumés, that head to head neutral court would be a good way to settle it.

Funny that we were ranked 15th by the committee, but beat teams 12 and 13 head to head on a neutral court.

I guess they just couldn't justify us jumping number 14 Cal. That's it.

 

[Mike-D]

You would think that if two teams have similar résumés, that head to head neutral court would be a good way to settle it.

Funny that we were ranked 15th by the committee, but beat teams 12 and 13 head to head on a neutral court.

I guess they just couldn't justify us jumping number 14 Cal. That's it.

But they could justify putting UK as a 4 seed. They can always justify undervaluing UK. Same ****, different season. I just wish Cal could have pulled one of those off, and won a title to spit in their faces. Maybe he will this year.

 

[WildMoon]

we also had insane amount of injury..

oh and their injury of Jefferson doesn't matter since he won't play in Tourney. Which is what they did with us w/ Nerlens.

 

[Mike-D]

we also had insane amount of injury..

oh and their injury of Jefferson doesn't matter since he won't play in Tourney. Which is what they did with us w/ Nerlens.

Exactly.

They use this **** at their own expense. "We'll say and use this stat here, and we'll say and use this stat there."

 

[Neue Regel]

I think the main part of the answer lies in only three SEC teams making the tourney. (With one of those playing in the first four.) If UL had been eligible eight ACC teams would be in the NCAA's. I think this helped bolster Duke's seed. This is further proven by even UVA somehow getting a top seed over Sparty. The NCAA whether fair or unfair did not give the SEC any weight this season. Not even to the SEC final. Duke for all its warts only lost to one non NCAA Tourney team and had a number of good wins over ranked teams. A head to head game by itself garners little impact here (Duke beat Indiana by 20 remember?)

To me the main gripe of the night is UK vs Texas A&M. The seeding there is just bizarre to me. I don't recall many great OOC wins for A&M like Kentucky had. Has anyone broken down both resumes? Could there be something to this Saturday/Sunday theory regarding the Tournament finals and decisions already formed?

 

[.S&C.]

I think the main part of the answer lies in only three SEC teams making the tourney. If UL had been eligible eight ACC teams would be in the NCAA's. I think this helped bolster Duke's seed. This is further proven by even UVA somehow getting a top seed over Sparty. The NCAA whether fair or unfair did not give the SEC any weight this season. Not even to the SEC final. Duke for all its warts only lost to one non NCAA Tourney team and had a number of good wins over ranked teams. A head to head game by itself garners little impact here (Duke beat Indiana by 20 remember?)

To me the main gripe of the night is UK vs Texas A&M. The seeding there is just bizarre to me. I don't recall many great OOC wins for A&M like Kentucky had. Has anyone broken down both resumes? Could there be something to this Saturday/Sunday theory regarding the Tournament finals and decisions already formed?

Look man, I get it. You're a Duke fan, and Duke fans aren't about to admit the bias. We both know that you know you love the road Duke gets almost every time. If you don't, then you're spiting the hand that feeds you. I;ve rarely ever seen Duke legitimately earn what they have. It's not your fault, but we don't have to like it. from the Villanova's, to the Purdue's without their best player, to the Gonzagas, to everyone having to play in their region (except Duke), it's old.

For once, I'd love for one Duke fan, just one to admit they get it good. But you won't, they won't, and there lies the main issue I have with Duke fans. Have the balls to just say it.

The NCAA wants Duke to become the best and poster child for the NCAA basketball league. Coach K and the whole bit sells to them, and it goes along with their "student athlete" image (which isn't true anyway) and Kentucky has been the villain since 1966. Now that Cal and the OAD has been established here, they want it overtaken.

 

[ORCAT]

You guys did get screwed although I still think you can win your bracket. If you play UNC you'll win. UK and A&M should be flipped.

They put us in Louisville instead of Chicago which has a large KU population.

MSU should have been a one over Virginia.

Hard to argue any of this. Wow, i'm agreeing with KUhawks?????

 

[.S&C.]

Here's what needs to happen. The committee cannot pick seeds without bias. It's this simple.

pick 4 number one seeds, they can pick the top seed, then draw the rest. from that point on, pick each of the 4 seeds, and draw their placement. its the only way for it to be fair and Schools like Duke to not get a golden road hand picked. I understand the financial situation, but people will show up either way.

It makes way too much sense and doesn't give them control over who gets what road. I know.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

They don't even try to hide it anymore. Favorable to Duke and shaft UK. Having Duke AD on the committee I'm sure didn't influence anything....[eyeroll]

 

[Mike-D]

I think the main part of the answer lies in only three SEC teams making the tourney. (With one of those playing in the first four.) If UL had been eligible eight ACC teams would be in the NCAA's. I think this helped bolster Duke's seed. This is further proven by even UVA somehow getting a top seed over Sparty. The NCAA whether fair or unfair did not give the SEC any weight this season. Not even to the SEC final. Duke for all its warts only lost to one non NCAA Tourney team and had a number of good wins over ranked teams. A head to head game by itself garners little impact here (Duke beat Indiana by 20 remember?)

To me the main gripe of the night is UK vs Texas A&M. The seeding there is just bizarre to me. I don't recall many great OOC wins for A&M like Kentucky had. Has anyone broken down both resumes? Could there be something to this Saturday/Sunday theory regarding the Tournament finals and decisions already formed?

We had a better RPI than your team. We beat your team head to head on a neutral court. We won our conference tournament, and tied for our regular season conference title. You can say whatever you want about the rest, but shouldn't that be enough information? Yes, you play in a better conference. So what?

As for A&M, I think they beat somebody in the Big-12 challenge? Or did they lose? I don't even remember. It doesn't even matter. We are so used to the ********, and you really have no idea.

 

[Aike]

I think the main part of the answer lies in only three SEC teams making the tourney. (With one of those playing in the first four.) If UL had been eligible eight ACC teams would be in the NCAA's. I think this helped bolster Duke's seed. This is further proven by even UVA somehow getting a top seed over Sparty. The NCAA whether fair or unfair did not give the SEC any weight this season. Not even to the SEC final. Duke for all its warts only lost to one non NCAA Tourney team and had a number of good wins over ranked teams. A head to head game by itself garners little impact here (Duke beat Indiana by 20 remember?)

To me the main gripe of the night is UK vs Texas A&M. The seeding there is just bizarre to me. I don't recall many great OOC wins for A&M like Kentucky had. Has anyone broken down both resumes? Could there be something to this Saturday/Sunday theory regarding the Tournament finals and decisions already formed?

Going by your logic, aTm should be behind you too.

They lost to 5 non-tourney teams, just like us. They also lost to Syracuse.

We are ahead of them in every metric except VS. Top 50 RPI. They are 5-1, we are 3-2.

Had Pat Adams not called that T, more than likely we would be 4-1 and they would be 4-2. That's how close the resumes are.

Of course we beat them today on a neutral court.

If they had wanted to flip our seeds after today's game, would have been simple enough.

 

[Neue Regel]

Look man, I get it. You're a Duke fan, and Duke fans aren't about to admit the bias. We both know that you know you love the road Duke gets almost every time. If you don't, then you're spiting the hand that feeds you. I;ve rarely ever seen Duke legitimately earn what they have. It's not your fault, but we don't have to like it. from the Villanova's, to the Purdue's without their best player, to the Gonzagas, to everyone having to play in their region (except Duke), it's old.

For once, I'd love for one Duke fan, just one to admit they get it good. But you they won't, you won't, and there lies the main issue I have with Duke fans. Have the balls to just say it.

If you think the game is rigged then why do you watch it?

Admit what? Put me on record as supporting any conspiracy to help Duke in the post-season. I'm all for it.

S&C The lunacy in all this mania over Duke tonight is that a week from now they won't even be in the tournament anymore. LOL. Worst Duke team in a decade and no threat to win s*** this year and people are still crapping their pants about them.

 

[.S&C.]

If you think the game is rigged then why do you watch it?

Admit what? Put me on record as supporting any conspiracy to help Duke in the post-season. I'm all for it.

S&C The lunacy in all this mania over Duke tonight is that a week from now they won't even be in the tournament anymore. LOL. Worst Duke team in a decade and no threat to win s*** this year and people are still crapping their pants about them.

Poeple use the word conspiracy because they feel it creates an image that is unrealistic. It's not.

The NCAA tournament is picked by academics. Those academics are desperately trying to promote an image of "student athlete". Duke, to them, supports that image. Those same academia promote it.

Coach Cal said it tonight. "They are not machines, they have teams they like and don't like". He was taking a shot at Duke for sure.

Like I said, don't admit it, I don't expect it. Ive only met one Duke fan in my entire life that was honest about the whole thing.

As for your question, if the committees keep this up, lots of people might not feel the need to watch.

 

[Neue Regel]

Going by your logic, aTm should be behind you too.

They lost to 5 non-tourney teams, just like us. They also lost to Syracuse.

We are ahead of them in every metric except VS. Top 50 RPI. They are 5-1, we are 3-2.

Had Pat Adams not called that T, more than likely we would be 4-1 and they would be 4-2. That's how close the resumes are.

Of course we beat them today on a neutral court.

If they had wanted to flip our seeds after today's game, would have been simple enough.

The KY-TA&M seeding makes no sense as your comparison shows. Like you said that T changed quite a bit. Cats should have had that 3 seed. And Michigan State should have had Virginia's.

 

[Aike]

If you think the game is rigged then why do you watch it?

Admit what? Put me on record as supporting any conspiracy to help Duke in the post-season. I'm all for it.

S&C The lunacy in all this mania over Duke tonight is that a week from now they won't even be in the tournament anymore. LOL. Worst Duke team in a decade and no threat to win s*** this year and people are still crapping their pants about them.

Nobody's crapping their pants over Duke. We are ticked that we were clearly underseeded again.

 

[Neue Regel]

Poeple use the word conspiracy because they feel it creates an image that is unrealistic. It's not.

The NCAA tournament is picked by academics. Those academics are desperately trying to promote an image of "student athlete". Duke, to them, supports that image. Those same academia promote it.

Coach Cal said it tonight. "They are not machines, they have teams they like and don't like". He was taking a shot at Duke for sure.

Like I said, not admit it, I don't expect it. Ive only met one Duke fan in my entire like that was honest about the whole thing.

As for your question, if the committees keep this up, lots of people might not feel the need to watch.

Ultimately it's impossible to know I would imagine unless you're one of those in the room making the decisions. I would love to see the process as I think most would.

 

[Aike]

The KY-TA&M seeding makes no sense as your comparison shows. Like you said that T changed quite a bit. Cats should have had that 3 seed. And Michigan State should have had Virginia's.

Yep. And if that had happened, no one on this board would complain about Duke getting a 4. Indiana and Purdue fans might.

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

Don't forget we beat Duke when they had Jefferson. Now they don't have Jefferson, which injuries do effect seeding, yet they still leapfrogged us in the standings? The NCAA is pathetic. And needs to be sued over this by UK. As cal said earlier, the NCAA does play favorites and who they hate the most. And they do let bias come in the way of the selection process. Which is why we have the most difficult path to the title every single year no matter what. And unless we're a number one seed we are under seeded every single year no matter what (have yall not noticed every year we haven't been a one that we've been severely under seeded?). The NCAA conspiracy that they're anti UK isn't a conspiracy, it's the truth that cal will even tell you is the truth. And it's truly disgusting that the NCAA is allowed to screw us every year the way they do (example: the refs during wiscy game last season, no way was the NCAA going to let us win it all and go undefeated especially when Duke was still in play) and if you saw the wiscy Duke game, the refs gift wrapped that game to Duke. A lot of times the NCAA picks the winners, not the teams playing.

 

[Xception]

I think the main part of the answer lies in only three SEC teams making the tourney. (With one of those playing in the first four.) If UL had been eligible eight ACC teams would be in the NCAA's. I think this helped bolster Duke's seed. This is further proven by even UVA somehow getting a top seed over Sparty. The NCAA whether fair or unfair did not give the SEC any weight this season. Not even to the SEC final. Duke for all its warts only lost to one non NCAA Tourney team and had a number of good wins over ranked teams. A head to head game by itself garners little impact here (Duke beat Indiana by 20 remember?)

To me the main gripe of the night is UK vs Texas A&M. The seeding there is just bizarre to me. I don't recall many great OOC wins for A&M like Kentucky had. Has anyone broken down both resumes? Could there be something to this Saturday/Sunday theory regarding the Tournament finals and decisions already formed?

Duke also got a better seed than Indiana , so I don't see how that example helps your argument . If Indiana had gotten a better seed than Duke despite losing by 20 then you could say head to head is irrelevant . If all things are equal then head to head has been a significant barometer in the past and while Duke may play in a better conference they didn't exactly perform well in that conference , so the boost is inexplicable imo . UK had a few dud losses and obviously that's what they went off of but those were early season and we are red hot right now .

In years past we have heard the committee talk about who's playing well going into the tournament but amongst a bunch of other garbage that changes yearly . No offense but UK is just flat out better than Duke this year and I don't see how we got a much tougher bracket other than just favoritism by the committee who has two Duke guys sitting in it . This argument of ours go across multiple years , you need to understand that going forward . I agree with you on A&M . You are a good visitor poster over here but this topic is sensitive so don't be surprised if you get unleashed on by taking an opposing stance , brace yourself .

 

[BoulderCat_rivals187983]

You guys did get screwed although I still think you can win your bracket. If you play UNC you'll win. UK and A&M should be flipped.

They put us in Louisville instead of Chicago which has a large KU population.

MSU should have been a one over Virginia.

Huh? I'm pretty sure your in Iowa along with UK and IU. Just a short, what 200 or so mile drive up and over from KC? Not that far from Chicago either.

And yea we should have been flipped with A&M. WTF, we just beat them. Barely. Sort of, you know, like you did us. And MSU should definitely have had the 1.

 

[Neue Regel]

Nobody's crapping their pants over Duke. We are ticked that we were clearly underseeded again.

You were underseeded. I agree 100%.

 

[mjj_2K]

I think the main part of the answer lies in only three SEC teams making the tourney. (With one of those playing in the first four.) If UL had been eligible eight ACC teams would be in the NCAA's. I think this helped bolster Duke's seed. This is further proven by even UVA somehow getting a top seed over Sparty. The NCAA whether fair or unfair did not give the SEC any weight this season. Not even to the SEC final. Duke for all its warts only lost to one non NCAA Tourney team and had a number of good wins over ranked teams. A head to head game by itself garners little impact here (Duke beat Indiana by 20 remember?)

To me the main gripe of the night is UK vs Texas A&M. The seeding there is just bizarre to me. I don't recall many great OOC wins for A&M like Kentucky had. Has anyone broken down both resumes? Could there be something to this Saturday/Sunday theory regarding the Tournament finals and decisions already formed?

No. The answer is obvious- The committee saw a potential UK/IU matchup and a potential Texas/Texas A&M matchup, and threw all logic and fairness out the window. Because they are utterly corrupt, and have no integrity whatsoever.

Talk all you want, as one of the main beneficiaries of the corruption, about how one head to head game has so little impact, then explain to me why, exactly, Duke was seeded ahead of Wisconsin last year?

And please, on this night, spare me me any rationales about the unbiased integrity of the people who put together this tournament (like your AD). I really, really don't want to hear it, especially coming from someone whose team seems to receive the benefit of the doubt from that allegedly unbiased system- repeatedly.

 

[.S&C.]

Ultimately it's impossible to know I would imagine unless you're one of those in the room making the decisions. I would love to see the process as I think most would.

lol.

It's not impossible to know. Just take the blinders off. Pay attention to Dukes seeding and placement. It's all there, unless you would rather not see it.

 

[Mike-D]

Don't forget we beat Duke when they had Jefferson. Now they don't have Jefferson, which injuries do effect seeding, yet they still leapfrogged us in the standings? The NCAA is pathetic. And needs to be sued over this by UK.

it's hilarious that you bring it up, but wtf else can we do? it's the same **** every year unless we are the CLEAR CUT favorite.

I'm sick of this ****. It's corruption. Say what you want. Pretend that UK fans have problems, whatever. This **** happens every year, unless it's clear cut that we have a 1 seed.

 

[caneintally]

the Duke thing is utterly a joke . Duke has no business being anything better then a 5 seed. UK had no business being anything but a 3 seed but the committee is horrible every year and this year was worse then others. Cuse should of been a 4 seed in the NIT at best . What is funny is Baylor will thrash Duke easily so we won't have to hear about their sorry azz for long. With Jefferson they were a good team but K's 6 man team ain't going to cut it . NO 6 man team will cut it really so that ain't a knock on DUke just lack of depth in general . Cal learned his lesson in 2013 about lack of depth.

 

[Neue Regel]

lol.

It's not impossible to know. Just take the blinders off. Pay attention to Dukes seeding and placement. It's all there, unless you would rather not see it.

I'm talking about criteria and how much weight do they give to certain things over others. Which carries more weight and so on. Like Xception said, we hear them talk about certain things on a resume that carries a lot of weight one season but that may not be the case another season. Would love to be in a room to watch it unfold.

 

[andreIGUODOLLAsigns4UK]

it's hilarious that you bring it up, but wtf else can we do? it's the same **** every year unless we are the CLEAR CUT favorite.

I'm sick of this ****. It's corruption. Say what you want. Pretend that UK fans have problems, whatever. This **** happens every year, unless it's clear cut that we have a 1 seed.

Couldn't agree more, it's obvious. That's also why we'll probably have sirmons calling most of our NCAAT games. If not him then Pat Adams. I guarantee it.

 

[Mike-D]

I'm talking about criteria and how much weight do they give to certain things over others. Which carries more weight and so on. Like Xception said, we hear them talk about certain things on a resume that carries a lot of weight one season but that may not be the case another season. Would love to be in a room to watch it unfold.

They will say what they need to say.

 

[mjj_2K]

I'm talking about criteria and how much weight do they give to certain things over others. Which carries more weight and so on. Like Xception said, we hear them talk about certain things on a resume that carries a lot of weight one season but that may not be the case another season. Would love to be in a room to watch it unfold.

They give weight to whatever criteria lends itself to decisions they make that have almost nothing to do with their stated criteria. In other words, they're hypocrites who just make up BS as they go along.

 

[podgejeff_]

If you think the game is rigged then why do you watch it?

Admit what? Put me on record as supporting any conspiracy to help Duke in the post-season. I'm all for it.

S&C The lunacy in all this mania over Duke tonight is that a week from now they won't even be in the tournament anymore. LOL. Worst Duke team in a decade and no threat to win s*** this year and people are still crapping their pants about them.

Neue Regel, do you believe that Duke gets favorable draws in the NCAA tournament more often than not?

 

[.S&C.]

Neue Regel, do you believe that Duke gets favorable draws in the NCAA tournament more often than not?

Get ready for the Duke spin. He won't answer it directly.

 

[muckinabaht]

OP you're absolutely right, and your post about blind seeding is spot on, too (though the committee probably knows the records well enough to negate that). Regardless, I think the big reason we are where we are is for the interest in a UK-IU game in the second round, and a UK-UNC game after that. Didn't get them in the regular season, so why not force it in the tournament?