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[SoCal_Dukie3]

Want to talk smack against Duke? Have at it. UK has had incredible success overall and is a top program in basketball, but to try and discredit the Duke 2015 run is idiocy. Duke had a more difficult season schedule AND NCAA tourney run. Numbers don't lie (according to KenPom):

UK's tourney opponent ranking:

251
43
25
9
2 (loss)

Duke's?

184
31
8
7
15
2

(All wins)

Keep saying they got an easy path. If that's the case, UK's was a cakewalk, with a narrow win against ND, and a 7 point loss to Wisconsin.

Both programs are great, and both teams had fantastic 14-15 seasons, let's be honest here.

 

[Fitch44]

Want to talk smack against Duke? Have at it. UK has had incredible success overall and is a top program in basketball, but to try and discredit the Duke 2015 run is idiocy. Duke had a more difficult season schedule AND NCAA tourney run. Numbers don't lie (according to KenPom):

UK's tourney opponent ranking:

251
43
25
9
2 (loss)

Duke's?

184
31
8
7
15
2

(All wins)

Keep saying they got an easy path. If that's the case, UK's was a cakewalk, with a narrow win against ND, and a 7 point loss to Wisconsin.

When is splinter going to die. Seriously I just watched Wedding Crashers (for the 100th time) the other night and I think I will crash his funeral.

"Mike, Michael, damn you! Damn you mike! Damn it! Damn you Michael!!!"
Then look over and smile at Wojo.

 

[Fitch44]

Want to talk smack against Duke? Have at it. UK has had incredible success overall and is a top program in basketball, but to try and discredit the Duke 2015 run is idiocy. Duke had a more difficult season schedule AND NCAA tourney run. Numbers don't lie (according to KenPom):

UK's tourney opponent ranking:

251
43
25
9
2 (loss)

Duke's?

184
31
8
7
15
2

(All wins)

Keep saying they got an easy path. If that's the case, UK's was a cakewalk, with a narrow win against ND, and a 7 point loss to Wisconsin.

By the way virgin, you can throw out all the numbers you want.
Tell me, would you rather play Utah, gonzaga and an over achieving out matched mich st team or Cinci, notre dame (who just beat you guys) and wisky to get to title game?
Be honest now virgin.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

By the way virgin, you can throw out all the numbers you want.
Tell me, would you rather play Utah, gonzaga and an over achieving out matched mich st team or Cinci, notre dame (who just beat you guys) and wisky to get to title game?
Be honest now virgin.

Virgin? Wow, that's creative. Wishing for another persons death (outside of being in a firefight/life-taking altercation)? We know by your comments you've never sniffed the latter.

Now, to answer your brilliant cling-of-desperation: yes. Duke had the more difficult path, all season and in the tourney, and it helped the young guys grow and get their identity. Keep downplaying Duke's path, it just makes UK's path look 'more easy'.

UK had a tremendous team but I truly believe their easier path hurt them. They folded in crunch time. Had they seen more of that early- and mid-season, I'm convinced it would have been a U.K./Duke final.

(Here comes a reply with a gif/movie quote/virgin reference, followed by a heavy leaning of a narrow ND and Cincy wins).

 

[Fitch44]

That rat is a phony piece of ****. Copies everything Cal is doing but he is made out to be a god for it.
Capel is a cheating turd and his fat *** can eat a bag of dicks. Is that toned down for you?

Seriously, yes I would crash his funeral.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

That rat is a phony piece of ****. Copies everything Cal is doing but he is made out to be a god for it.
Capel is a cheating turd and his fat *** can eat a bag of dicks. Is that toned down for you?

Seriously, yes I would crash his funeral.

Ok so you can't disagree confidently that Duke had a pretty tough path, at least more difficult than U.K. Fair enough.

As for copying? Lol, it's adapting and most coaches are trying to do so with exception of Ol' Roy.

 

[Fitch44]

You Duke nerd, put your calculator and numbers off to the side. Uk was rewarded for their rare season with the toughest road to the title. Maybe the committee was mis informed on selection Sunday and was told Duke was undefeated in the regular season?

Serious question, how does capels fat *** push away from his "sweetheart" table at Hometown Buffet long enough to negatively recruit coach cal?

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

You Duke nerd, put your calculator and numbers off to the side. Uk was rewarded for their rare season with the toughest road to the title. Maybe the committee was mis informed on selection Sunday and was told Duke was undefeated in the regular season?

Serious question, how does capels fat *** push away from his "sweetheart" table at Hometown Buffet long enough to negatively recruit coach cal?

Yet again you have nothing to back up your reckless claim - UK had an easier path than Duke, barely escaped ND, and lost by 7 to UW. Their lack of a difficult regular season schedule hurt them in crunch time, and the numbers show it.

And for real, how old are you? Calculator? Why do I need a calculator to cite sources of statistics when no calculation is actually occurring? Please explain.

Keep being bitter about '15; I know I'm still bitter about the '04 Duke team being 'hosed' in the FF. Yes, they had 3 bigs foul out but Duke simply fell apart. Sucks either way though.

 

[Aike]

Duke's path in 2015 was statistically strong, but stats don't tell the whole story.

There isn't a knowledgeable basketball person, then or now, who had that Gonzaga team as a tougher out than Notre Dame. That's crazy talk.

And if you want to talk stats, the East region on the other side of Duke's bracket (the region that Michigan St. won) was as historically weak as any in a long time.

UK, on the other hand, was lined up to play the winner of two teams who both could have been ones (UW and Arizona), right after dispatching the 6th best team (ND).

Those of us who watch statistics closely spent a lot of that season noting the overrating of teams like Gonzaga and wondering who they would be paired with in March.

Isn't it something, that Duke went South, and wound up playing 3 Western teams (SDSU, Utah, Gonzaga), when there usually aren't enough Western teams to fill out their own Region.

The Final Four in the West region that year was UNC, Wisconsin, Xavier, and Arizona. While the SOUTH featured Duke, Utah, UCLA, and Gonzaga. Just turned out that way.

 

[Fitch44]

Take that duke dork.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

Duke's path in 2015 was statistically strong, but stats don't tell the whole story.

There isn't a knowledgeable basketball person, then or now, who had that Gonzaga team as a tougher out than Notre Dame. That's crazy talk.

And if you want to talk stats, the East region on the the other side of Duke's bracket (the region that Michigan St. won) was as historically weak as any in a long time.

UK, on the other hand, was lined up to play the winner of two teams who both could have been ones (UW and Arizona), right after dispatching the 6th best team (ND).

Those of us who watch statistics closely spent a lot of that season noting the overrating of teams like Gonzaga and wondering who they would be paired with in March.

Isn't it something, that Duke went South, and wound up playing 3 Western teams (SDSU, Utah, Gonzaga), when there usually aren't enough Western teams to fill out their own Region.

The Final Four in the West region that year was UNC, Wisconsin, Xavier, and Arizona. While the SOUTH featured Duke, Utah, UCLA, and Gonzaga. Just turned out that way.

Again, I posted stats, your post is full of subjectivity. Duke had a more difficult path, whether it was far more or slightly more difficult is debatable and subjective.

And having played ND three times and knowing the ACC well, the Zags absolutely could match ND as they had a balanced game/attack. But again, subjectivity is debatable while the numbers don't lie.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

Take that duke dork.

Yawn.

 

[BBUK_anon]

Want to talk smack against Duke? Have at it. UK has had incredible success overall and is a top program in basketball, but to try and discredit the Duke 2015 run is idiocy. Duke had a more difficult season schedule AND NCAA tourney run. Numbers don't lie (according to KenPom):

UK's tourney opponent ranking:

251
43
25
9
2 (loss)

Duke's?

184
31
8
7
15
2

(All wins)

Keep saying they got an easy path. If that's the case, UK's was a cakewalk, with a narrow win against ND, and a 7 point loss to Wisconsin.

Both programs are great, and both teams had fantastic 14-15 seasons, let's be honest here.

P_ss on your Duke

 

[Fitch44]

Yawn.

Seriously, when will you go back to your board.
I just went over there and posted there will be a 1pm showing of 40 year old virgin.
That should get you back to your board

 

[Aike]

Again, I posted stats, your post is full of subjectivity. Duke had a more difficult path, whether it was far more or slightly more difficult is debatable and subjective.

And having played ND three times and knowing the ACC well, the Zags absolutely could match ND as they had a balanced game/attack. But again, subjectivity is debatable while the numbers don't lie.

Stats don't "lie," they just don't tell the whole story.

If only stats mattered, then all of these discussions would be pointless.

Heck, the tourney would be pointless. Just give the trophy to the Kenpom champ.

You know better than that. Maybe. I very seriously doubt you or any of your buddies were saying Gonzaga was better than Notre Dame that season.

And I'm positive you all cheered when you saw your cake bracket. Getting to play a limited fan base, soft Western team in the South. Yeah, bet their Kenpom had you scared to death.

And you completely ignored the historically weak East bracket that gave you MSU as a JV tuneup game.

But never mind. Only Kenpom matters. Not sure why they even play the games.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

P_ss on your Duke

Fair enough. I'm here to talk objective bball. Wishing you luck on the upcoming season.

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

Seriously, when will you go back to your board.
I just went over there and posted there will be a 1pm showing of 40 year old virgin.
That should get you back to your board

Look, I get it, you want to talk ish to offset some sort of deficiency. At least be funny about it (and original).

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

Stats don't "lie," they just don't tell the whole story.

If only stats mattered, then all of these discussions would be pointless.

Heck, the tourney would be pointless. Just give the trophy to the Kenpom champ.

You know better than that. Maybe. I very seriously doubt you or any of your buddies were saying Gonzaga was better than Notre Dame that season.

And I'm positive you all cheered when you saw your cake bracket. Getting to play a limited fan base, soft Western team in the South. Yeah, bet their Kenpom had you scared to death.

And you completely ignored the historically weak East bracket that gave you MSU as a JV tuneup game.

But never mind. Only Kenpom matters. Not sure why they even play the games.

Again, you're struggling. Stats don't always tell the whole story but they at least back up strong points, and you have none. Go ahead and crown U.K. champs based on kenpom number 1; that still doesn't give your team a trophy or banner. Statistically Duke played a more difficult tourney schedule and U.K. even struggled against ND. Facing Gonzaga once and ND three times, I'd face either team. Could that change after facing the zags 2 more times? Maybe, but again that is subjective, and the stats don't lie.

 

[Aike]

Again, you're struggling. Stats don't always tell the whole story but they at least back up strong points, and you have none. Go ahead and crown U.K. champs based on kenpom number 1; that still doesn't give your team a trophy or banner. Statistically Duke played a more difficult tourney schedule and U.K. even struggled against ND. Facing Gonzaga once and ND three times, I'd face either team. Could that change after facing the zags 2 more times? Maybe, but again that is subjective, and the stats don't lie.

You are foolish and I'm done with this conversation.

If you can say with a straight face that Gonzaga/MSU was a tougher path than ND/Wisconsin, you aren't worth talking to. Scurry along.

 

[BBUK_anon]

Look, I get it, you want to talk ish to offset some sort of deficiency. At least be funny about it (and original).

Someone said the same thing about your M....

 

[Crawfords Corner]

People who don't know wtf they are seeing use Kenpom to try and prove points. Try learning the strengths and weaknesses of teams and players. This wins debates. You'll be amazed at how much more you enjoy the game in the process, Duke fan. Of course, those who have never played the game will struggle to figure that stuff out.

 

[crittel56]

Yet again you have nothing to back up your reckless claim - UK had an easier path than Duke, barely escaped ND, and lost by 7 to UW. Their lack of a difficult regular season schedule hurt them in crunch time, and the numbers show it.

And for real, how old are you? Calculator? Why do I need a calculator to cite sources of statistics when no calculation is actually occurring? Please explain.

Keep being bitter about '15; I know I'm still bitter about the '04 Duke team being 'hosed' in the FF. Yes, they had 3 bigs foul out but Duke simply fell apart. Sucks either way though.

Why do you keep bringing up UK's narrow win over ND like it's a negative? Didn't Duke lose to them twice that year? Also since you're so into numbers only, how was UK's schedule weak? At the end of the regular season, Duke's SOS was 3 and UK's was 8. A top 10 schedule looks pretty difficult to me.

 

[bucsrule8872]

You are foolish and I'm done with this conversation.

If you can say with a straight face that Gonzaga/MSU was a tougher path than ND/Wisconsin, you aren't worth talking to. Scurry along.

Well said.

 

[Tross282003]

There is not much separation amoung the top two or three teams each year in college basketball. UK had great teams in 2015 and in 2010, but both teams lacked three point shooting.

Duke would have most likely lost to Kentucky in 2015. Fortunately for Duke, Wisconsin was long, skilled, could shoot from the outside, rebound and protect the rim. A true half court team. A nightmare matchup for Kentucky who relied upon rebounding and a transition game to win.

When Duke played Wisconsin they couldn't contain Duke's guards on the perimeter. Duke was more athletic and skilled than Wisconsin.

Duke matched up much better against Wisconsin than against Kentucky and Kentucky matched up better against Duke than Wisconsin.

Wisconsin was the key to Duke winning the championship in 2015. As a Duke fan like most Duke fans, I was dancing when Wisconsin beat Kentucky.

The tournament is about matchups.

 

[Monroe Claxton]

Can someone explain to me why Matt Jones went to Duke Law School? If you want to study theory of law or philosophy of law, you go to Duke. But if you want to study real law, like personal injury law, disability law, or criminal law, you go to UK. Professors at UK are judges in Kentucky courts or good friends with the judges. They can set you up for a great legal career. No wonder Matt couldn't make it as lawyer in the Commonwealth. Everytime he went in front of a judge, he used philosophical arguments like phenomenology and was laughed out of the courtroom.

 

[BBUK_anon]

Can someone explain to me why Matt Jones went to Duke Law School? If you want to study theory of law or philosophy of law, you go to Duke. But if you want to study real law, like personal injury law, disability law, or criminal law, you go to UK. Professors at UK are judges in Kentucky courts or good friends with the judges. They can set you up for a great legal career. No wonder Matt couldn't make it as lawyer in the Commonwealth. Everytime he went in front of a judge, he used philosophical arguments like phenomenology and was laughed out of the courtroom.

Ouch...that'll leave a mark...