Duke vs Virginia Union

[kybassfan]

Dunno what he flap is about. Duke will live and die by the three as has been the case for 15 yrs. They will be about as good their first game as they will be on their last. They are typically one of the least improved teams by March. There will be no interior defense. Ratface will split and hiss at the refs as is typical for him. His players will leverage junk and cowardly plays like flopping and kicking. In fact, that’s the biggest problem they face. Kicky Boy has left which takes away their leader in scumbaggery.

If they shoot great from three, we get beat. Anything less than 40%, it’s close. Less than 30%, we could embarrass then. My chief worry is injuries against such a dirty bunch on court.

 

[MNantz]

If Zion has to sit out games... duke could be in trouble.

Now why in the world would Zion have to sit out games ? I mean Rat Face said he was cleared so it’s all ok, and he won’t talk about it so the NCAA is powerless to do anything about it !!

 

[MNantz]

It"ll be interesting; UK has more depth but Duke has the 3 best players. Foul trouble and outside shooting could decide this heavyweight battle.

Well we dam sure know which team will be in foul trouble !! It dam sure won’t be that flopping bunch of Rat faces !!

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I want Zion to play this year.

He seems like the crying type. Will be fun watching him weep in March when Duke goes down.

 

[westerncat]

So did Zion earn his pay ?

 

[Beenfamous02]

Not trying to diss Travis, but in the Bahamas and scrimmage I think Washington, Johnson, Herro, and Richards all look better than Travis. It is really more of a compliment to those players than knock on Travis. Travis reminds me of a Josh Harrelson. Beefy rebounder who plays below the rim but is crafty and hit open shots.

He only scored 27 in the scrimmage.

 

[akaukswoosh]

Ratface will split and hiss at the refs as is typical for him.

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

 

[bucsrule8872]

Starters

Green > Jones- Green has the experience edge in November.
Quickley < Reddish- Reddish is bigger and more talented.
Johnson < Barrett- Barrett will be the best player on the floor, IMHO.
Washington = Williamson- this is a toss up with Washington's experience helping him in November.
Richards >> Bolden- Richards has looked great in exhibition play while Bolden has not.

Bench

UK >>> Duke

UK has a grad student who would have been Preseason PAC-12 POY on their bench. UK has four potential draft picks on their bench (Hagans, Herro, Montgomery, Travis).

Duke has some upperclassmen, but none of them have played much at all. None of Duke's bench players are on any draft boards, as far as I know.

Got to give UK a huge edge on the bench because of the incredible young talent and Travis' talent and experience.

 

[Duke Bluu]

I think Williamson is better than Washington. Don’t know if that means Duke wins but I think Zion will win that matchup

 

[Montana81]

I expect Javin to start in the long term he’s coming off a stress reaction in his foot

He’s certainly better than Bolden

 

[WildcatFanDad1205]

It"ll be interesting; UK has more depth but Duke has the 3 best players. Foul trouble and outside shooting could decide this heavyweight battle.

Wrong....I would take Travis over Zion any day, and maybe even Washington. Also, don't forget that we will have the best white player on the court. You pansies ain't used to that are ya now?

 

[morgousky]

I really like what Javin, white and O’Connell can bring off the bench. Bolden gotta give Brian Zoubek production which I think he can do

I keep telling Duke friends of mine ( white guys that like the white image and admit it) that O’Connell is the key to Duke this season. You will go as he goes. If he turns out to be a dependable guard who can knock down the three consistently, you could win it. Without that it’s not happening. And I don’t think he’ll see the court enough to be that player.

For reference, I also said Jefferson was the key to Duke making a run in the final four ‘15 and was totally laughed at for it. And look what happened, Jefferson’s big plays and rebounds is what won that title for Duke. (Aside from ncaa push and the officials who are basically Dukes 6th and 7th man.

 

[Cindog28]

I think Williamson is better than Washington. Don’t know if that means Duke wins but I think Zion will win that matchup

That's possible, but the issue with Zion is that he'll be ONE post player playing against 4 from UK. All of which have looked pretty good so far, imo.

 

[WildcatFanDad1205]

I keep telling Duke friends of mine ( white guys that like the white image and admit it) that O’Connell is the key to Duke this season. You will go as he goes. If he turns out to be a dependable guard who can knock down the three consistently, you could win it. Without that it’s not happening. And I don’t think he’ll see the court enough to be that player.

What do you mean by "white guys who like the white image?" Do these friends of yours only cheer on Duke's white players?

 

[morgousky]

That's possible, but the issue with Zion is that he'll be ONE post player playing against 4 from UK. All of which have looked pretty good so far, imo.

Let’s see if they can keep Zion off the perimeter first. I don’t think they can.

 

[akaukswoosh]

He’s certainly better than Bolden

Poor Bolden is getting no love on the Dook boards either.

 

[morgousky]

What do you mean by "white guys who like the white image?" Do these friends of yours only cheer on Duke's white players?

I went to school with 2 guys who like Duke. Both admit the reason they like duke is because they always have “white guys who light it up”

And I really don’t have a problem with that. But I never understand why it’s a point never brought up about K when 99.9% of everything today is racist.

Coach K is the only man in America who can walk into a building of 97 black kids and 3 white kids.....walk out with 3 white kids and never be questioned about it.

And it’s not academics which is what most of them want to silently push ( they fit our system, translation: Academics.

But Duke Doesn’t have those standards for basketball players. He has intentionally sought out white players.

Again, I have no problem with it because not everything is racist to me. I don’t think he does it because he hates black people. But in this day and age, how is it always forgotten.

Until recently anyway, when he decided he’d do whatever it takes to try and win on his way out.

It was just always curious to me how this works. We still get nailed for having a lot of white players 30 years ago and Dukes never questioned about it at all.

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

I went to school with 2 guys who like Duke. Both admit the reason they like duke is because they always have “white guys who light it up”

And I really don’t have a problem with that. But I never understand why it’s a point never brought up about K when 99.9% of everything today is racist.

Coach K is the only man in America who can walk into a building of 97 black kids and 3 white kids.....walk out with 3 white kids and never be questioned about it.

And it’s not academics which is what most of them want to silently push ( they fit our system, translation: Academics.

But Duke Doesn’t have those standards for basketball players. He has intentionally sought out white players.

Again, I have no problem with it because not everything is racist to me. I don’t think he does it because he hates black people. But in this day and age, how is it always forgotten. And he has done it for a some kind of reason.

Until recently anyway, when he decided he’d do whatever it takes to try and win on his way out.

It was just always curious to me how this works. We still get nailed for having a lot of white players 30 years ago and Dukes never questioned at all about it.

Cue the Coach K portrait with a Hitler stache.

 

[3kidsandme]

It"ll be interesting; UK has more depth but Duke has the 3 best players. Foul trouble and outside shooting could decide this heavyweight battle.

No they don't. We have 5 or 6 guys that can put up the same numbers as the 3 you got.

 

[Blueisbest]

Duke goes 8 deep. That’s more than enough and is the norm in Durham. So versatile, Duke is going to be very good. Definitely excited

After Barrett, Zion, Reddish and maybe Jones, it is a steep drop off in talent. Kentucky, on the other hand has a solid and deep rotation of at least 9 players with little to no drop off in talent.

Kentucky is going to have your little dookies grabbing their shorts before halftime and probably reaching for the oxygen masks by the middle of the 2nd half. Your only hope is if you paid enough to the referees where you get all the calls. Cats win by double digits if the game is called fairly.

 

[morgousky]

After Barrett, Zion, Reddish and maybe Jones, it is a steep drop off in talent. Kentucky, on the other hand has a solid and deep rotation of at least 9 players with little to no drop off in talent.

Kentucky is going to have your little dookies grabbing their shorts before halftime and probably reaching for the oxygen masks by the middle of the 2nd half. Your only hope is if you paid enough to the referees where you get all the calls. Cats win by double digits if the game is called fairly.

You say “your only hope is if you paid enough to the refs” like it’s a long shot.

Trust me. The officials will not allow Barrett and Zion to be touched. And Duke fans know it, some consciously, some subconsciously.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we lost at the foul line. Actually If we lose I’m expecting it.

 

[Jacket4]

I went to school with 2 guys who like Duke. Both admit the reason they like duke is because they always have “white guys who light it up”

And I really don’t have a problem with that. But I never understand why it’s a point never brought up about K when 99.9% of everything today is racist.

Coach K is the only man in America who can walk into a building of 97 black kids and 3 white kids.....walk out with 3 white kids and never be questioned about it.

And it’s not academics which is what most of them want to silently push ( they fit our system, translation: Academics.

But Duke Doesn’t have those standards for basketball players. He has intentionally sought out white players.

Again, I have no problem with it because not everything is racist to me. I don’t think he does it because he hates black people. But in this day and age, how is it always forgotten. And he has done it for a some kind of reason.

Until recently anyway, when he decided he’d do whatever it takes to try and win on his way out.

It was just always curious to me how this works. We still get nailed for having a lot of white players 30 years ago and Dukes never questioned at all about it.

A KY fan questioning the racial morality of another programs coach is the definition of hypocrisy. Kentucky literally plays in an arena named after one of the most iconic publicy proclaiming racist to ever hold a clipboard.

Duke has always been known to have a "solid" white guy on their team. When in reality a number of schools have really good white players year in and year out. And when you look at Dukes roster the past 30 years you will find K has recruited more black players than white.

Just when they do get that one "great white hope" the media latches on because of the headlines and the attention it gathers. K doesn't care if your white black or otherwise as long as you can play.

 

[morgousky]

A KY fan questioning the racial morality of another programs coach is the definition of hypocrisy. Kentucky literally plays in an arena named after one of the most iconic publicy proclaiming racist to ever hold a clipboard.

Duke has always been known to have a "solid" white guy on their team. When in reality a number of schools have really good white players year in and year out. And when you look at Dukes roster the past 30 years you will find K has recruited more black players than white.

Just when they dude get that one "great white hope" the media latches on because of the headlines and the attention it gathers. K doesn't care if your white black or otherwise as long as you can play.

Jon Scott has dispelled every myth about Kentucky being a racist program. You believe lies because you’re ignorant. Just know it.

And you can’t lump Duke in during the modern age with other programs who recruit white kids. Duke is a blue blood, the only white heavy blue blood in existence. Why? Answer that. Why? And during an age when the top 50 athlete is predominately black? I just want to know.

Coach K absolutely prefers white players to be on his roster.

The only question is, why does espn and the media not touch it when all they ever want to do is scream racism? It’s bizarre.

 

[Duke Bluu]

K recruits good basketball players period. Whether they are black or white. I think that’s pretty awesome.

 

[travisbickle_rivals252984]

Jon Scott has dispelled every myth about Kentucky being a racist program. You believe lies because you’re ignorant. Just know it.

And you can’t lump Duke in during the modern age with other programs who recruit white kids. Duke is a blue blood, the only white heavy blue blood in existence. Why? Answer that. Why? And during an age when the top 50 athlete is predominately black? I just want to know.

Coach K absolutely prefers white players to be on his roster.

The only question is, why does espn and the media not touch it when all they ever want to do is scream racism? It’s bizarre.

I don’t know, doesn’t seem that bizarre to me. UK is the greatest program of all-time. It always pays to try and bring down the greatest.

Duke has had a pretty incredible 40 year run, but they will not sustain. UK will.

So any chance to bring down UK, be it revisionists not being educated on Rupp to how Cal ruined basketball by embracing one-and-done, it’s all plays out of the same playbook to me. The white hat vs. Darth Vader.

But we’ll still be here after Coach K gets staked in the heart and people will keep trying to tear us down.

 

[revcort]

It"ll be interesting; UK has more depth but Duke has the 3 best players. Foul trouble and outside shooting could decide this heavyweight battle.

I think you should qualify this statement a bit and then maybe I would agree. Duke will have the 3 most highly rated players on the floor or perhaps the 3 most naturally talented players on the floor, but that doesn't mean you will have the 3 BEST players in that game. Talent doesn't guarantee quality of play. I think that is the whole issue for Duke in this game. Barrett will be difficult to contain, but UK has several players who can give him trouble and slow him down, and the Cats are well ahead defensively and have good match-ups for Duke's best players. Williamson had his way with these kids tonight and in Canada, but he's gonna have full grown men defending him against UK. Duke is weak at point and at center and will struggle containing UK defensively. Those 3 wing players have never had to defend very much but they'll have a rude awakening against UK.

Talent? Yes. But that doesn't mean the best player in the game. We all have seen it and experienced it many times, from both the winning and the losing side. Duke will get to see the losing side in this one. They're too young and they will be shell shocked when someone defends them and dares challenge them.

Duke will improve. Problem is, you have an unbalanced team, an incomplete team. We had the same issue last season with multiple 6-7, 6-8 wings who would win the basketball beauty contest but we lacked pure shooters and we lacked consistent post scoring. It's the same thing I see with Duke this season.

 

[Jacket4]

Jon Scott has dispelled every myth about Kentucky being a racist program. You believe lies because you’re ignorant. Just know it.

And you can’t lump Duke in during the modern age with other programs who recruit white kids. Duke is a blue blood, the only white heavy blue blood in existence. Why? Answer that. Why? And during an age when the top 50 athlete is predominately black? I just want to know.

Coach K absolutely prefers white players to be on his roster.

The only question is, why does espn and the media not touch it when all they ever want to do is scream racism? It’s bizarre.

You're clearly speaking emotionally which is fine. This can be an emotional topic. Let me be clear by saying i don't think UK is now a racist program now. Arena aside. Since K has been at Duke if you went through and named off each of his team and the so call white players he recruited i bet you i can name off two or more black players that was just as good if not better that he recruited. The only reason people get this K wants white players perception is because of the media attention good white duke players gets and how K will go through great lnks to help the kid deal with it. As he does for any of his players.

Take Allen for example. Kid made bad mistakes but was good enough to garner national attention even though he was never the best player on any of the 4 duke teams he played on. Kid was a medias dreamboat, white duke player that cant control his emotions. But when you think Duke the past 3 years most people think Allen and tripping and other stuff because the media blew him up.

 

[Col. Angus]

He only scored 27 in the scrimmage.

and scored 19 and 9 in a power 5 conference last season.

 

[dlh331]

Rupp retired in 1972 and had recruited 1 black player. How many did Vic Bubbas and the other Duke coaches recruit up to that year?

 

[morgousky]

K recruits good basketball players period. Whether they are black or white. I think that’s pretty awesome.

It’s 2018. I can’t ask for salt and pepper without being told it’s racist. If I say I’m not white, I’m 25% Indian, I’m told I’ve been “incorporated” into whiteness for survival and didn’t know it. These are all ideas floating around the majority of media, college, and elitist entities in America.

In this thread alone we’ve got Duke fans calling Rupp a racist ( with no evidence to support it). A coach from the 40’s.

But coach K could recruit 4 white players tomorrow, the only 4 in the top 35, land 3, and no one says a word? He’s not intentionally picking these players? Why does Kentucky or Kansas not seem to have that happen? Even UCLA isn’t known for it. Duke is the only blue blood that always has a vast amount of white players in the modern era when white players are not the norm.

I didn’t say I think he’s racist, I think the term has turned to sht. I’m merely asking why, and why does the media, who thinks everything is racist, not ask the question.

and not one person can answer it.

 

[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

I really like what Javin, white and O’Connell can bring off the bench. Bolden gotta give Brian Zoubek production which I think he can do

Zoubek didn't do it until his senior year. Bolden is not that close imo.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

It"ll be interesting; UK has more depth but Duke has the 3 best players. Foul trouble and outside shooting could decide this heavyweight battle.

Man, this best three players **** is getting old fast. The media tells people this so much that people believe it. It simply isn't true.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

It"ll be interesting; UK has more depth but Duke has the 3 best players. Foul trouble and outside shooting could decide this heavyweight battle.

"3 best players" based on what? High school? Gimme a break

 

[3kidsandme]

Duke goes 8 deep. That’s more than enough and is the norm in Durham. So versatile, Duke is going to be very good. Definitely excited

Your not familiar with Wenyen because he laughs at 8 deep

 

[UKCAT5FAN]

Nope. On actual impact. PJ Washington and Reid Travis are better. I'd say Herro what he has shown is not too far behind.

Now if you're basing it on NBA 5 years down the road. Well. I'd still put UK guys upfront. Becaue Duke guys in the NBA suck ***

Ok. If you say so. Whatever that means. I guess Barrett, Zion, and Reddish aren't impactful player. Barrett may be the best player in college basketball. Not saying I like it but it's the truth. But I guess he isn't impactful, oh ok.

 

[Montana81]

Barrett and Zion are pretty good. None of our guys are going to put up the raw numbers they will.

I think PJ is going to be an outstanding 2 way player though. Like first team all defense nationally.

If Zion and Barrett are getting scored on in bunches...

Zone will help them a lot again. But it’s very hard to win a title when there are teams like Kansas, Nova, Wisconsin and this year UK that have shooters and triple threat guys all over the floor waiting for you in the later rounds.

 

[morgousky]

Ok. If you say so. Whatever that means. I guess Barrett, Zion, and Reddish aren't impactful player. Barrett may be the best player in college basketball. Not saying I like it but it's the truth. But I guess he isn't impactful, oh ok.

What he’s saying is a senior In travis and A sophomore in Pj will be more impactful than Freshman led stars at Duke. We’re talking about 10 months here, on a college floor. Zion dunking on open floors and 6th graders isn’t happening anymore. Zion rebounding at 6’6 over our college bigs when he’s never faced real competition might not happen in 10 months. Barrett might be the most talented player in the class, but he’s raw.

Neither of those two are as impactful as AD because neither are defensive juggernauts.

Would I trade Barrett and Johnson and Zion and Pj? With our team, probably because we’ve got other upperclassman and bigs which would allow them to showcase. But it’s not a guarantee that when they are shouldering the load for Duke as 18 year olds with little supporting cast that they’re going to dominate.

Like he said, in 5 years probbaly. But on a college court who knows.

 

[Lovebaskelball]

It’s 2018. I can’t ask for salt and pepper without being told it’s racist. If I say I’m not white, I’m 25% Indian...

I like Indian food. Hope I'm not racist, now.

 

[Duke Bluu]

It’s 2018. I can’t ask for salt and pepper without being told it’s racist. If I say I’m not white, I’m 25% Indian, I’m told I’ve been “incorporated” into whiteness for survival and didn’t know it. These are all ideas floating around the majority of media, college, and elitist entities in America.

In this thread alone we’ve got Duke fans calling Rupp a racist ( with no evidence to support it). A coach from the 40’s.

But coach K could recruit 4 white players tomorrow, the only 4 in the top 35, land 3, and no one says a word? He’s not intentionally picking these players? Why does Kentucky or Kansas not seem to have that happen? Even UCLA isn’t known for it. Duke is the only blue blood that always has a vast amount of white players in the modern era when white players are not the norm.

I didn’t say I think he’s racist, I think the term has turned to sht. I’m merely asking why, and why does the media, who thinks everything is racist, not ask the question.

and not one person can answer it.

Of course he’s intentionally picking them. They are good basketball players.

Do you think Duke was the only school going after the likes of:

JJ Redick
Greg Paulus
Jon Sheyer
Kyle Singler
Luke Kennard

Etc etc etc

Maybe I can see your point IF these players were guys that didn’t have many offers from other power 5 programs.

Some work out and some don’t (Joey Beard and Billy McCaffrey to name a few).

It’s like asking, does Cal think white players in general can’t play for him and that the ones that do are exceptions? No, he recruits white players and sometimes those players (Luke kennard) may chose somewhere else.

 

[morgousky]

Of course he’s intentionally picking them. They are good basketball players.

Do you think Duke was the only school going after the likes of:

JJ Redick
Greg Paulus
Jon Sheyer
Kyle Singler
Luke Kennard

Etc etc etc

Maybe I can see your point IF these players were guys that didn’t have many offers from other power 5 programs.

Some work out and some don’t (Joey Beard and Billy McCaffrey to name a few).

It’s like asking, does Cal think white players in general can’t play for him and that the ones that do are exceptions? No, he recruits white players and sometimes those players (Luke kennard) may chose somewhere else.

It’s not the same thing because Cal is recruiting black players from a predominately black sport. It makes sense to be a blue blood and attract the best players which are typically black.

I don’t care I just think if the fringe element was going to be consistent then K’s recruiting practices for years should be questioned. Not because there’s anything wrong with recruiting white players, but because others have been ran through the mud for having white teams 40 years ago but K can grab 3 white kids in a gym full of black players and no one says a thing.

And you still never answered the question. You’re just changing the topic.

Duke is the only blue blood that goes after and lands so many white kids. Why? Just happens? Sure. Maybe next year it’ll just “happen” out of the clear blue for UK and we’ll land 4 white kids. Lol.

Keep you head in the sand if you wish. I personally don’t care, but to pretend K hasn’t looked at race and doesn’t have his own ideas about it is BS. There is a reason Duke attracts white players and K heavily recruits them.