Duke 30 for 30
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Amazed. I didn't know that the exotic dancer / accuser later killed her boyfriend in 2013 or that the lead Detective in the case resigned and committed suicide or that the DA is having some of his earlier DNA based convictions overturned. Wow, just 17ing Wow.
It was a fantastic two hour show. And with today's media... It shows you how little they've learned from that incident ten years ago.
If you couldn't look at those two ******
And figue out they were pissed they didn't make any money for "extra dances" you aren't very enlightened. The dancers were going to get even...and the government employees DA, Detective..are like all government employees, the dumbest, lazy lowest form of human scum fell for it hook line and sinker.
And figue out they were pissed they didn't make any money for "extra dances" you aren't very enlightened. The dancers were going to get even...and the government employees DA, Detective..are like all government employees, the dumbest, lazy lowest form of human scum fell for it hook line and sinker.
The elements of the case fit into the Media's "Story Formula".
Story Formulas are developed in us early---basically how we view the world. If you give children a sheet of paper, a pencil, a list of characters they must use (a Princess, a Knight, a Witch, a Dragon) the kids will write a story beginning with "Once upon a time", ending with "Happily ever after", the Princess will be a victim, the Witch & Dragon will be villians, and the Knight will be the hero. No child will write about a Nobel Witch and faithful Dragon who must rise up against an evil Princess and a mean Knight.
So when the Media got the pieces African American exotic dancer they thought "Victims" and White upper class males they thought "Sexual Predators". Plus it had elements of sex, race, and class---it was a Media wet-dream or like Lifetime Network movie!
Story Formulas are developed in us early---basically how we view the world. If you give children a sheet of paper, a pencil, a list of characters they must use (a Princess, a Knight, a Witch, a Dragon) the kids will write a story beginning with "Once upon a time", ending with "Happily ever after", the Princess will be a victim, the Witch & Dragon will be villians, and the Knight will be the hero. No child will write about a Nobel Witch and faithful Dragon who must rise up against an evil Princess and a mean Knight.
So when the Media got the pieces African American exotic dancer they thought "Victims" and White upper class males they thought "Sexual Predators". Plus it had elements of sex, race, and class---it was a Media wet-dream or like Lifetime Network movie!
You summed it up pretty well. The #1 lesson this generation still hasn't learned in this country is don't take the media for face value. It is completely obvious to me who runs this country nowadays, and it isn't the president, congress, or the citizens. It's the media.
I can't understand how a case wen to trial when the DA never interviewed the victim or the accused. I could see where he would lean on the detectives interview of the accused but he would at least sit down with the victim and go over testimony.l
I'm not an attorney so I don't know how that works, but it seems like common sense to me.
I'm not an attorney so I don't know how that works, but it seems like common sense to me.
The DA was disbarred .. http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/16/duke.lacrosse/
RALEIGH, North Carolina (CNN) -- The prosecutor in the Duke University lacrosse team rape case was disbarred Saturday for unethical conduct, and the chairman of the disciplinary committee blamed "political ambition" for his downfall.
Earlier Saturday, the panel of the North Carolina State Bar concluded that Durham County, North Carolina, District Attorney Mike Nifong violated more than a dozen ethics rules in prosecuting the case against the now-exonerated players.
"This matter has been a fiasco," said disciplinary committee chairman F. Lane Williamson. "It seems that at the root of it is self-deception arising out of self-interest. We had a prosecutor who was faced with a very unusual situation in which the confluence of his self-interest collided with a very volatile mix of race, sex and class."
The panel determined Nifong withheld key DNA evidence from the players' defense attorneys that might have cleared them earlier, and lied to the presiding judge and state bar investigators.
The three students -- Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty and Dave Evans -- were accused of sexually assaulting an escort-service dancer at a party in March 2006.
Two DNA tests found no match between any of the three men and evidence in the case, but Nifong -- who was up for re-election at the time -- pursued the prosecution anyway. North Carolina's attorney general eventually took over the case and in April of this year determined the charges were unfounded and said Nifong would face a state bar disciplinary hearing.
Yeah I saw where he was disbarred, he also did a day in jail for some sort of charge. It just seems to me that someone on his staff would have spoke up and said "hey this isn't right".
First of all Nifong should have gone to big boy prison. Period. Secondly, the faculty members who raised pitchforks and lit torches should have faces some kind of disciplinary action. Thirdly, while the team did not deserve in any way what befell them, this is still a good lesson in discernment. Young males and particularly non-minority males, are assumed guilty whenever any allegation of misconduct, especially sexual or racial misconduct, is made. One has to view all situations in this light and whenever possible avoid scenarios that can lend themselves to such innuendo.
Sometimes its just unavoidable. Recently a frat at GaTech was accused of shouting racial slurs at a passing minority female from an open window in the frat house. The group was allowed no defense, was summarily suspended by the university president and denied any appeal. They were pilloried in the media. It took a threat to withhold funding by a legislator to force an appeal. The frat was then completely exonerated when they were able to show that it was PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for them to have done what was accused because the windows of the frat house had been rendered completely incapable of being opened for several years.
Sometimes its just unavoidable. Recently a frat at GaTech was accused of shouting racial slurs at a passing minority female from an open window in the frat house. The group was allowed no defense, was summarily suspended by the university president and denied any appeal. They were pilloried in the media. It took a threat to withhold funding by a legislator to force an appeal. The frat was then completely exonerated when they were able to show that it was PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for them to have done what was accused because the windows of the frat house had been rendered completely incapable of being opened for several years.
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I think this coincides well with 'Making a Murderer'...
The biggest takeaways there (for me at least) outside the appearance of a coordinated conspiracy being:
1. A prosecution's goal isn't really discerning the truth, it's winning the case
2. The 'presumption of innocence' is an illusion
3. The media isn't capable of reporting developments in criminal evidence gathering without poisoning the well
4. The system is rigged against the accused (I believe this to be true regardless of race or gender)
The biggest takeaways there (for me at least) outside the appearance of a coordinated conspiracy being:
1. A prosecution's goal isn't really discerning the truth, it's winning the case
2. The 'presumption of innocence' is an illusion
3. The media isn't capable of reporting developments in criminal evidence gathering without poisoning the well
4. The system is rigged against the accused (I believe this to be true regardless of race or gender)
Jay Bilas had a great quote about there being a huge difference between inappropriate behavior and being guilty of a heinous crime. Example former sportswriter Selena Roberts said something in the film along the lines of at the very least there was some mysogynistic behavior and racist remarks at the party. While such behavior is appalling it is not criminal. A DA with holding evidence and trying to ruin 3 lives for his own gain is criminal.
I read a Slate article today and the author talked about how strange it was to watch a movie where the you are supposed to root for the accused rapists. That all 3 received multi-million dollar settlements from Duke. Who cares. This was a travesty of justice no matter if the accused were unlikable people.
Missouridawg made a great point. You'd think the media would have learned a lesson from this but they haven't.
I read a Slate article today and the author talked about how strange it was to watch a movie where the you are supposed to root for the accused rapists. That all 3 received multi-million dollar settlements from Duke. Who cares. This was a travesty of justice no matter if the accused were unlikable people.
Missouridawg made a great point. You'd think the media would have learned a lesson from this but they haven't.
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Oddly enough, I listened to Dan Carlin's "The American Peril" today about American Imperialism & the Spanish-American War. Media have a long history of pushing agendas. Yellow Journalism for a thousand Alex.
The problem now is ten-fold with the inrerwebs, a dumber population, etc.
The Georgia incident is what is really sad and infuriating to me. A lot of businesses, schools, institutions, etc. are now acting as quickly as possible without much evidence or appeal process available to the accused just so they can distance themselves if the accusations end up true. They are trying to keep the mob from linking them with the accusations. So they protect their own *** no matter what it may be doing to a potentially innocent person and let their insurance pay the settlement if they are wrong. Unfortunately I don't see it changing until the mob changes.
It is the mad dash the media makes to get the story reported 1st. But this mad dash gets a lot of inaccurate information broadcast and relying on Twitter and Facebook is scary---mostly because every Sunday a lot of people get on Facebook and apologize for their drunk Saturday night posts.
But the media needs to realize the power they have and the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it. Back when Kennedy and Nixon were running to be President they did a test where they let people just listen to audio of the 2 and the people picked Nixon. But then they showed the people the video of both, and suddenly the younger and better looking John Fitzgerald Kennedy was picked over the old droopy faced Richard M. Nixon. The power of perception is huge.
But the media needs to realize the power they have and the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it. Back when Kennedy and Nixon were running to be President they did a test where they let people just listen to audio of the 2 and the people picked Nixon. But then they showed the people the video of both, and suddenly the younger and better looking John Fitzgerald Kennedy was picked over the old droopy faced Richard M. Nixon. The power of perception is huge.
Didn't watch and hope I never do
Wasn't ESPN one of the ones right there with constant media coverage at the time? They used it to boost their ratings then and are making money of it now.
Would love to know one of those boys told 30 for 30 to 17 off for that. Did the 3 accused take part in the show?
Wasn't ESPN one of the ones right there with constant media coverage at the time? They used it to boost their ratings then and are making money of it now.
Would love to know one of those boys told 30 for 30 to 17 off for that. Did the 3 accused take part in the show?
No. The 3 accused did not participate. Some have speculated on a non-disclosure agreement with Duke after they settled. I really want to know how much they fleeced Duke for. If it's less than $20mil per, I think they got short changed.
I am amazed that Crystal Mangum's past wasn't brought up by ANY media. Just look at her Wikipedia page, she made other false accusations before the Duke incident, dismissed from the Navy for having a baby with another sailor, and she was arrested for stealing a cab driver's cab (dude was getting a lap dance) going on a high speed pursuit with cops and then almost running over a cop---plus her blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit.
By contrast many of the same media people (around the same time period as the Duke case), speculated how much Natalee Hollaway drank at the bar the night she disappeared, what she was wearing, and doing body shots with Van der Sloot.
By contrast many of the same media people (around the same time period as the Duke case), speculated how much Natalee Hollaway drank at the bar the night she disappeared, what she was wearing, and doing body shots with Van der Sloot.
Rolling Stone UVA rape .. that was totally bogus. Wash .. rinse .. repeat.
How 'bout how little they've learned from 30 years ago? This was insane...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations
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