Take a look at the second camera view (the one from the right field fence). It looks like they're installing the right field foul pole, but are they putting it in the right place? It looks like they're installing it at the intersection of the curved wall and the berm wall. However, isn't the foul line going to be offset from that berm wall by about 5 feet (approximately halfway between the berm wall and the grass)?
Dudy Noble Construction Question
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I thought the big black pole in the berm area was to support netting cables. I'm talking about the yellow pole they're installing in the circular entryway.
I think it's an illusion. The berm wall and curved wall intersect at the pillar. There's a good, I estimate, 10 feet between the foul line and the berm wall.
The curved wall and the berm wall do not intersect at the same elevation. The berm wall is about 3' lower when it hits the curved wall.
The foul line is going to be 3-4 ft from the berm wall.
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The foul line is going to be 3-4 ft from the berm wall.
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What I don't understand is why they never announced any seating figures. It feels like they been purposefully vague about it, for some reason. Think about an other new stadium project, and the seating capacity is always in the first sentence. I guess it's because the actual number of seats is less than before.
the bulldog club site says new renderings coming soon and it has said that for a while. any idea when these renderings will be released? too much longer and we wont need renderings to conceptualize.
Hope that ticket office doesn't have windows on the back side. There's going to be a lot of foul balls bouncing off that concrete of the circular area, into the back that ticket office. And onto some heads in the circular area, too
I figure there will be a 4-5 foot bracket that will extend out into the field off the side of the foul line pole, painted a nice cheerful color so that the Home plate Ump will be able to sight down the line and make a decent decision on foul balls hit down the line.
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My concern is the fielder running into that curved brick wall while chasing a nearly foul ball.
Maybe they can have the bulldog fielders practice running into the wall at full speed, so they will know how much that l hurt. Teaching them that will give us an advantage over visiting teams.
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My concern is the fielder running into that curved brick wall while chasing a nearly foul ball.
Maybe they can have the bulldog fielders practice running into the wall at full speed, so they will know how much that l hurt. Teaching them that will give us an advantage over visiting teams.
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The construction manager for the project has stated a seating capacity of 13k, with an even larger total capacity from the old stadium once you include standing room only:
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Here's the article: http://starkvilledailynews.com/content/dudy-noble-project-schedule
I don't know what he's basing that number on, but there's nowhere near 13K actual seats in the advertised plans. They must be including the berms as "seating" and a high density in the lounge.
Yeah, that number seems high and in the actual article likely either misconstrued or was outside of context/lacking of context...
What I think we have done in engineered it to bring in temp bleachers along the 360* concourse for the huge weekends. There are at least two places in right that seem tailor made for this. And that would make up the extra ~ 3k seats to make the statement seem true. Done tastefully you could even build them in and make them retractable.
~ 6k-6500 chairbacks
~ 2k-3k berms
~ 1k-2k LFL
~ 3k temp bleachers
~ 2k-4k SRO around the concourse
What I think we have done in engineered it to bring in temp bleachers along the 360* concourse for the huge weekends. There are at least two places in right that seem tailor made for this. And that would make up the extra ~ 3k seats to make the statement seem true. Done tastefully you could even build them in and make them retractable.
~ 6k-6500 chairbacks
~ 2k-3k berms
~ 1k-2k LFL
~ 3k temp bleachers
~ 2k-4k SRO around the concourse
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Actually counting the permanent seats in the advertised plans (within a few):
Lower level grandstand: 3220
Upper level grandstand: 1460
Omaha club: 315
Skyboxes: 240
That's a total of 5235 in the grandstand area. I'm sure the skyboxes and Omaha club can hold more, but not more than a couple hundred. They are premium seats, and I don't see them selling 500 passes if there are only 315 seats.
I think each lounge is supposed to seat about 12. That's about 2400.
We are essentially replacing the 1B bleachers with a berm, and it would hold 1350. I don't see fitting 1350 people on a berm of the same size. The 3B berm is about half the size, so let's say no more than 700 there. That's 2000 on the berms max.
That's still under 10,000 permanent seats total.
Lower level grandstand: 3220
Upper level grandstand: 1460
Omaha club: 315
Skyboxes: 240
That's a total of 5235 in the grandstand area. I'm sure the skyboxes and Omaha club can hold more, but not more than a couple hundred. They are premium seats, and I don't see them selling 500 passes if there are only 315 seats.
I think each lounge is supposed to seat about 12. That's about 2400.
We are essentially replacing the 1B bleachers with a berm, and it would hold 1350. I don't see fitting 1350 people on a berm of the same size. The 3B berm is about half the size, so let's say no more than 700 there. That's 2000 on the berms max.
That's still under 10,000 permanent seats total.
We are losing seating space. Berm area will primarily be a play area for kids so game watching siting on that grassy knoll will not be as much fun as you think. The record on campus attendances have been set and will now stand forever.
We will have less seats to start, but we will have much more space to actually view the game. There's going to be a lot of space to see the field in the RF line/corner area, and the lounge is much bigger and elevated. The old setup only allowed for about 10k to have a decent view of the field.
That doesn't really sound like an "improvement". What's the cost? $50M? And getting fewer seats but adding a club level and other premium seats?
pic from this tweet may help you with the foul pole question
<blockquote><p>Brick by brick, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewDude?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewDude</a> is coming...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HailState?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HailState</a> <a href="https://t.co/8WeQC8yYz8">pic.twitter.com/8WeQC8yYz8</a></p>— MSU Baseball
(@HailStateBB) <a href="https://twitter.com/HailStateBB/status/920438605553815552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Brick by brick, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewDude?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewDude</a> is coming...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HailState?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HailState</a> <a href="https://t.co/8WeQC8yYz8">pic.twitter.com/8WeQC8yYz8</a></p>— MSU Baseball
(@HailStateBB) <a href="https://twitter.com/HailStateBB/status/920438605553815552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2017</a></blockquote>Your thoughts echo many of our concerns here, trust me...
We've long since sold out every premium seat in the joint also, meaning we drastically underbuilt and/or underpriced the premium seating. Again. Only added 6 additional skyboxes in the main structure, when IMO we would have sold out 40+ of them.
Make no mistake. A lot of this was based on doing away with lifetime licenses to get the stadium in priority seating to bring in more revenue.
Is that a cutout for the tarp in RF? If so that is pretty cool thinking but it also makes me wonder about balls getting stuck in it.
Compared to what we should be building, and could have been building for not much additional cost at all. Yeah, half-assing it. Seating capacity too small. Not going ahead and demolishing the whole grandstand and build a new one with better shape and sight lines so it could be more easily expanded in future years as needed. As engie pointed out, not enough premium seating / luxury boxes. Templeton would be proud.
The idea of complaining about it, when we are all really very excited about it, is why I've toned it down as much as I can. I'm very excited about the stadium.
My fear is simply that we've really missed the mark in some key areas that would not only allow it to be the best college baseball has ever seen(which it will be -- just as the original DNF was for a decade or more) -- but allow us to KEEP it the best into perpetuity instead of falling behind as the original DNF did. This ideal would be achieved by built-in modular improvement capabilities every time the ticket PSLs come due and there's another ~ $10mil influx of cash into the program, improving whatever is the biggest need at the time. My concern is that the at first glance "small" corner cutting in the build is going to prevent this modular capability in a seamless manner in the same way the initial design of DNF was "future" upgrade-prohibitive.
My fear is simply that we've really missed the mark in some key areas that would not only allow it to be the best college baseball has ever seen(which it will be -- just as the original DNF was for a decade or more) -- but allow us to KEEP it the best into perpetuity instead of falling behind as the original DNF did. This ideal would be achieved by built-in modular improvement capabilities every time the ticket PSLs come due and there's another ~ $10mil influx of cash into the program, improving whatever is the biggest need at the time. My concern is that the at first glance "small" corner cutting in the build is going to prevent this modular capability in a seamless manner in the same way the initial design of DNF was "future" upgrade-prohibitive.
You clearly have a detailed bill of materials for what could have been done
As well as firm numbers on projected donations, and thus a construction schedule the rest of fans aren't privy to.
Can you link it?
Thanks in advance.
As well as firm numbers on projected donations, and thus a construction schedule the rest of fans aren't privy to.
Can you link it?
Thanks in advance.
A group that I was meeting with last week got a tour and that is the same thing that Ches told us. I'm pretty sure he was counting the berms, though.
They are counting the additional seating in left field lounge. Loungers will be allowed to bring in scaffolding and various tools on friday morning to build temporary removable seating options.