DT Recruiting

[Kakdawg]

He wasn't good. NWU's long run was on his side, he constantly lets himself get caught in the wash sliding exactly where the OL wants him to go, and he gets pushed back more than any DL on the roster. And he missed the fumble recovery that was right in his hands. Pretty much everything a DL should be coached not to do.

I think I have to disagree with u on that. He was constantly around the ball. He made plays. He seemed more aggressive than I've seen him since last year. He didn't get the fumble but I'm not gonna hold that against him. I thought the long run was due to our DE 11 I think pushed the TE down so far that he basically lost containment and the back bounced out..

Granted ive been somewhat disappointed with his play for the bulk of the year so far but saturday i thought he balled out.



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[Kakdawg]

Yes your high horse. BTW, this is Breeders Cup week so I'm prone to mix in some horse verbiage along the way. LOL

Far as I'm concerned, I just want whoever is the most effective at a given position, we just happen to suck with Buford and Hartzog, and the young guys are gonna get picked on just like Hartzog was.

I chill every week, trust me, its just a stupid football game with a football team that has yet to play for anything that even matters. I used to get all pissed off at a loss and then I became an adult and grew up.

Other than Singleton, Ceyair, Wright, Rocco and EJ, the only ones on this team making any noise are either SO or R/FR or FR. There's a strong nucleus of young kids to build around, the problem in this NIL age is keeping them.

I hear ya we just agree to disagree. Im a bit more lenient to the frosh playing there first significant ball. I think what you are doing is lumping your disappointment with the last X amount of years all on these guys too. I just won't do that. I'm willing to allow those young guys to grow. You don't seem to be willing to do that. You talking Hartzog or Buford or a couple of our OL I'm with ya. But these kids? Nah...they are doing just fine relatively. In fact they may be ahead of schedule.


PS I'm still laughing at me on my high horse lol.



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[Kakdawg]

When Ralph was a freshman, he was burn baby burn, but he wasn't exactly getting torched by the MINN and NW's of the football world. We should hope Jones and Guthrie ever breath the same air as Mike and Brown by the time they are upperclassmen.

Not sure what u mean by Ralph was burned baby burn. If that means he was damn good you are right. He was legit. But I still remember the KU game in 96 I think we're he got beat for a 80 yd tD pass. Bad plays happen with young players. Let's not act like Jones has Wistrom, Tomich, Rucker or Peter rushing the QB either. Or Farley and Jamel Williams and Foreman at LBs. That defense was stacked and Ralph absolutely held his own. Mike didn't even start so he was basically a special teams guy.

As far as being able to breath the same air I agree with you. They will be lucky to be near as good. Wasn't the point I was making. It's that freshman have hard times everywhere. It happened with Ralph. He turned out just fine. Guthrie has played some real quality reps already. More so against the 1s than Brown did due to a guy named Mike Minter. All I'm saying is they are young and considering that what they've done so far I think should be commended and not frowned upon. Just me tho....



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[dinglefritz]

I'm I'm not mistaken Ralph and Mike were bith frosh in 96. Plus these dudes both ended up as all Americans. But somehow Guthrie or Jones aren't allowed to have a bad game or so. It's comical honestly. It's ok to be down on a kid when they start showing repeatedly that they aren't very good (see Buford, see Teddy). But when u play frosh you expect to have some growing pains.. At least anyone who understands the game does. It's just a bir weird to me.



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It’s a little ironic because some are lobbying to play younger O linemen and let them take their lumps. Guthrie as expected has had some busts and no doubt OCs are picking on the new kid just like they picked on Tiny when he was out there.

 

[dinglefritz]

He wasn't good. NWU's long run was on his side, he constantly lets himself get caught in the wash sliding exactly where the OL wants him to go, and he gets pushed back more than any DL on the roster. And he missed the fumble recovery that was right in his hands. Pretty much everything a DL should be coached not to do.

That long run was due to our DE blowing his responsibility according to Rhule. His name escapes me right now but it wasn’t RVP

 

[Kakdawg]

That long run was due to our DE blowing his responsibility according to Rhule. His name escapes me right now but it wasn’t RVP

It was Lenhardt I think. Couldn't think of his name but knew it was number 11.



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[HuskerBruce81]

A redshirt freshman and true freshman probably have room for improvement. How quickly we forget Texas looping that pass over Ralph Brown’s head in the Big 12 championship game….and I think Ralph was a senior. Somebody correct me if it wasn’t Ralph. Might be why he’s missing.

He was a senior in 99 when we won the conference by beating texas 22-6. Ironically, he was a freshman when he bit on the "play action" pass

 

[cubsker15]

It was Lenhardt I think. Couldn't think of his name but knew it was number 11.



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It was crazy what he was doing on that play.

 

[BeaverSlayerReincarnated69]

I feel like with what players we can land, the 4-3 would work better, but whatever it is, we need a good front 7. And our safeties are very inconsistent and aren’t great at tackling

Im old enough to remember when Bo was here and this site said you cannot consistently recruit elite pass rushers for the 4-3 to the Midwest.....hence we could never replace randy Gregory.

So it was the most brilliant move in the world when we hired Diaco and went 3-4.....

Now for the last 10 years we've been some version of a 3 man front and all people want to do is go to the 4-3.

It really doesn't matter. On the line defenders are so versatile anymore they can flex in and out of different fronts. Talent is talent and scheme is scheme. If either are bad, the result is bad. Period

 

[BeaverSlayerReincarnated69]

So for the 3-3-5 to work, we have to have a powerful nose. Obviously right now we get no push without a stunt. So a huge NT seems like an easy answer, but I remember Damion Daniels or his brother Darrian being like 330, but we couldn't get s push with those guys either. So what's the answer in recruiting? These guys we have in the middle right now are not getting it done in the
3-3-5 alignment.

Tony White NT at Syracuse was tiny.....there are 2 types of 3 man fronts. 1) 2 gapping space eaters or 2) gap slanting disruptors

Tony Whites version of the 3-3-5 was a gap attacking scheme, which is why it generated so many TFLs and sacks. The movement confused OLs and QBs and the penetration created loss plays.....Now he definitely had some flexibility because he had Nash and Ty who could do more things up front, but to the contrary of your post......you absolutely do not need to be gigantic up front to run the 3-3-5, but its going to depend on the scheme you are trying to run.

 

[BeaverSlayerReincarnated69]

We are a very inconsistent team when it comes to tackling. I’m inclined to believe this is taught, but we are greatly lacking in accountability when it comes to execution. People would get frustrated at seeing Hartzog out there, but he was doing what he was coached to do, although not the most talented or one that passed the eye test. This has been going on for years.

We are severely undersized and constantly twisting and moving our front to compensate for that.....if your guys are constantly moving, or being moved because they are small, they are going to be off balance and out of position, which leads to missed tackles.

I highly doubt we miss tackles simply because we dont practice it or are coached wrong.

 

[dinglefritz]

It was Lenhardt I think. Couldn't think of his name but knew it was number 11.



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Yep. Lenhardt

 

[4plateBencher]

I'll take whatever u think Guthrie is giving up I. The pass game vs what I know I've seen Buford give up in the run game.


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Remember this is the guy that said CTB was not NFL material lol.

Maybe one of the worst takes in the history of this board.

 

[4plateBencher]

If we can't pressure any QB it's gonna be a problem. But agree SC has some different level athletes.


Can't give SC both or it will get ugly. We gotta make em throw it and stop the run. If they have a two way go their athletes are too hard to stop.


Fwiw I love what I've seen from Jones. Probably the most physical CB I've seen since our glory days. He's tough and young. I think he will get better. I also think he's playing just fine now. Even though he did struggle against Minnesota.



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Think you're forgetting guys like CTB and Dennard.

It makes me laugh knowing Jones was sitting there in Omaha but you never heard about him on here from the "experts." Only heard people overrating guys like "Danny Dimes," his WRs, Malachi Coleman, and the 6'5" guy mowing down midgets in western Nebraska 8 man that is struggling to see the field now. Just shows you what a joke the recruiting ratings are.

 

[lifer56]

So for the 3-3-5 to work, we have to have a powerful nose. Obviously right now we get no push without a stunt. So a huge NT seems like an easy answer, but I remember Damion Daniels or his brother Darrian being like 330, but we couldn't get s push with those guys either. So what's the answer in recruiting? These guys we have in the middle right now are not getting it done in the
3-3-5 alignment.

Size in the middle can be a huge plus.

However, the key imho is having at least one of the three who demands a double team. Nose, DT or DE. Absent that the OL can get to our LBs all day long.

Unfortunately, such players are few and far between.

 

[Kakdawg]

I didn't forget those guys. This kid is a RS frosh. I think he is absolutely in that same class. We just had a chance to see more of them than we have Jones. Give him time. I'm not sure he is quite the athlete that CTB is but I think his physicality stands out. Even as a freshman. Hopefully he can put it all together. FWIW I think he could play safety as well.




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[Kakdawg]

Remember this is the guy that said CTB was not NFL material lol.

Maybe one of the worst takes in the history of this board.

Lol ...now that u mention that I do remember that flaming hot take.



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