Drew Brees

[MOHUSKER]

Nice rant Beav. Bottom line, you spit in the face of every person (and their families) who has died defending this country when you dishonor the flag by using it as an inflammatory prop to gain awareness to your cause. We get that it is freedom of speech, that it is allowed, but you can't tell another person how to feel about it or respond to it while painting them as racist and insensitive. That is corrupt.

The cause of black lives matter and the issue of excessive police force is harmed by every person who has the gall to stupidly lie through their teeth and tell people that it's not really about the flag and the troops. They DO NOT get to pour their own meaning into symbols and tell us to shut up. We have a say in this.

Seriously, they died protecting fabric or were they there to protect freedom and our citizens? People have their values twisted. America is a people, not some sewn together strips of fabric.

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Apparently we’ve forgotten the lesson from “The Red House“.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Seriously, they died protecting fabric or were they there to protect freedom and our citizens? People have their values twisted. America is a people, not some sewn together strips of fabric.

symbolism is what it is. The American flag is symbol of freedom. Otherwise why use it in the protest. If a person were to take a tshirt with MLK Jr face on it, and burned it would he not be labeled as being racist? I mean it’s just fabric

 

[Lincoln100]

Making it about"disrespecting the troops" is just an excuse. It's stealing back the outrage so you have a convenient reason to ignore and discredit them.

The ask from the movement is an end to making excuses and sweeping it under the rug when cops commit crimes.

If you watch the video of George Floyd being asphyxiated for damn near 9 minutes and your take-away isn't "we should all be demanding that man be charged and convicted for murder" then I don't know if there are words that can help you. They executed him then and there for allegedly spending a counterfeit $20. Killed him slow while he begged for his life.

If that's not your #1 priority that cops shouldn't ever do that it speaks volumes about what you value more than a person's life.

You boys on this board get all pumped full of righteous indignation about the idea that anyone would suggest anyone else is racist. WTF do we call it when they're like "I fear every day that cops can just kill me for driving a car" and you're like "You shut up and stand for that flag!!!"

Not being racist is a duck test, you don't just say "I'm not racist" and it's all good. If you always have an excuse to dismiss and discredit the culture and desires of people who look different than you, guess what? You walk like a duck.

Nobody is even at sporting events right now, there's no anthem being played, nothing to stand or not stand for. And Drew went out of his way to bring that up. To use his platform to stand up for the other white people in his life.

******** boys it isn't hard to just say, "I'm against police brutality and I'm against racism." It's when you get a case of the 'yeah buts' that people start to wonder if maybe you know white people are on top in this country and maybe you like it that way.

I’m against police brutality and I’m against racism.

I’m against presumptions being made and propaganda about highly sensitive issues which can easily result in mobs causing death and destruction.

I am against people who stereotype and are racist, like Rob Parker who believe in an “us versus them” mentality, who think a black man isn’t real because he’s a republican or married to a white woman, who think I won’t accept someone for “being black,” whatever that means (still waiting in clarification).

I am against people who think Drew Brees is a bad person because he’s not down with the kneeling at the Anthem.

 

[ZaneHickey]

So, with Kaepernick's movement to kneel during the national anthem. Is that about the flag and US soldiers or not?

Drew Brees is in some hot water today for his take.

Some of his teammates and other major sports stars put him on blast as ignorant.

I don't see how that form of protest is NOT a kick in the groin to the men and women who fought and died for our freedom. It is deliberately inflammatory by using a symbol that is sacred to many for the purpose of making a different, unrelated point. It is disingenuous to say that form of protest is not against the flag. Of course it is. I imagine some NFL players will protest again this season assuming there is one. If they do, I'm taking a year off from watching. If they waited until after the anthem and then took a knee in solidarity for a couple of minutes for racial Injustice, I would so be in favor of that.

Oh, and Scott Shanle was an ex Husker who had a terrific career with the Saints fwiw

The kneeling has to just be more of a gesture (like showing Tall Man) than anything else. It makes no logical sense as an action to bring about positive change. You instantly and sincerely offend so many, who will then hunker down...and not hear much, if any, of what you have to say.

 

[rat man]

None of this has anything to do with wanting to disrespect US Troops or the flag. How do so many white people keep missing the point. How can you still be complelety blind to the real issues!!

Outside of sports, black people do not feel equal in this country. Black people feel the need to be as "white" as possible in the business world because being black isn't acceptable. Black people are scared to death of any run in with cops as it may result in death. Black people feel like no one else understands whats going on. Kaep peacefully tried raising awareness around concerns but white people completey missed the point. NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN ABOUT THE FLAG OR OUR TROOPS!

How do you still not understand???

Since the peaceful protest (kneeling) only resulted in Kaep being unemployed and did nothing to shed light on any of the real issues, there now are protest, riots, and chaos in the streets. Black people want the country to notice their concerns. Black citizens want to feel like this is their country too.

Saying this is about disrespecting the flag and our troops shows that you are completely blind to whats going on or you choose to ignore the issues.

Oh no. Here we go again.

 

[Bigredhunter]

I'm no Saints fan, but became a Brees fan today.

I stand for our flag and love it. I work under it.

Well, no white person I know thinks that, and I don't think Brees thinks that either. It's a matter of respect, period. Everybody on the planet knows why CK was kneeling. There is no "deflecting." I think someone asked him a question about it and he responded in a calm and intelligent and respectful way. Everybody knows why CK did it, they just don't like it because of what the flag stands for for them. He thinks it is disrespectful, even if that's not the intent. I'll bet you a thousand bucks Brees is behind equal rights for all individuals. Just because he doesn't agree with the way he's doing it, it doesn't mean he is against the desire for equality.

Original Post:

So, with Kaepernick's movement to kneel during the national anthem. Is that about the flag and US soldiers or not?

When the main topic of the protest ends up being the flag and US soldiers, clearly deflection has taken place.

 

[steinek11]

So the actual vets who tell you they have no problem with it, their opinion is invalid?

I love that they have their free expression and are using it. Do they speak for all people, all veterans? No, no they don't.

It's the irony of the antifa. They're anti-fascist, but please excuse them while they use fascist methods to silence whatever and whoever they disagree with and do harm as needed. It's ok, it's for their own good.

 

[mwulf]

Oh no. Here we go again.

Listen listen listen... Yes here we go again.. A black man trying to explain why he feels the way he does. If you refuse to hear what is being said you will continue to live in ignorance and also continue to practice passive racism. Maybe it will help you examine your own behavior and move forward in a more progressive way. Or maybe not but for christ sake listen!

 

[Bigredhunter]

Brees is behind equal rights for all individuals. Just because he doesn't agree with the way he's doing it, it doesn't mean he is against the desire for equality.

Black people have peacefully protested for decades through sit-ins, marching, boycotting, and kneeling to raise awareness around injustices. Regardless of the method of protest, white Americans have felt disrespected and they continue to ignore our issues.

Please tell me what other options we have? We feel like second rate citizens. How can we "respectfully" voice our concerns?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Black people have peacefully protested for decades through sit-ins, marching, boycotting, and kneeling to raise awareness around injustices. Regardless of the method of protest, white Americans have felt disrespected and they continue to ignore our issues.


Please tell me what other options we have? We feel like second rate citizens. How can we "respectfully" voice our concerns?

there is no real answer to that. What is the magic switch that you want flipped?

Why are the biggest issues in racism and social injustices found in blue states? Why aren’t those leaders, who profess to have the best interest of the African American community at heart changing the systems in their states to fix these things? Why is it up to white america to determine what the major issues are for black Americans.

what I believe is that black America needs a leader. Someone who can champion change. Someone that can take all the issues that need to be addressed and prioritize them.
What I see now days, is a bunch of people all wanting different things fixed and wanting it fixed now. There is not a united front, it is very hard to influence change without a unified message.

Maybe this unfortunate episode can bring someone to the forefront, someone who can lead the African American community.

 

[RedMyMind]

Black people have peacefully protested for decades through sit-ins, marching, boycotting, and kneeling to raise awareness around injustices. Regardless of the method of protest, white Americans have felt disrespected and they continue to ignore our issues.

Please tell me what other options we have? We feel like second rate citizens. How can we "respectfully" voice our concerns?

ignored black issues? hardly. There are endless programs and efforts to help.

The real epidemic in America is lack of personal responsibility.

 

[Lincoln100]

Black people have peacefully protested for decades through sit-ins, marching, boycotting, and kneeling to raise awareness around injustices. Regardless of the method of protest, white Americans have felt disrespected and they continue to ignore our issues.

Please tell me what other options we have? We feel like second rate citizens. How can we "respectfully" voice our concerns?

My first question is, why do you think that it is only "white" American's that have felt disrespected? Do you not think that there are people of all races, including black, that don't kneel, or necessarily agree with the kneeling? When the national anthem plays, I take great pride in my Country, warts and all, and honor those people (not just white people, black people, or any other color of person) that have fought for anybody's right to kneel during the anthem. And I don't feel disrespected in the least. I don't take any offense to it, but I sure think it is disrespectful to those who have died for our (yours and mine, white and black) Country. You are focused on white vs. black.

Now, if you feel ignored, why is it that it is all whities fault? Your terribly racist Country elected Obama as president, twice. He was in office for 8 years, and the Democrats controlled both house and senate during two of them. What sweeping changes and proposals took place? What did a black president, sitting for 8 years, and the democrats do, to fix the issues?

 

[RedMyMind]

there is no real answer to that. What is the magic switch that you want flipped?

Why are the biggest issues in racism and social injustices found in blue states? Why aren’t those leaders, who profess to have the best interest of the African American community at heart changing the systems in their states to fix these things? Why is it up to white america to determine what the major issues are for black Americans.

what I believe is that black America needs a leader. Someone who can champion change. Someone that can take all the issues that need to be addressed and prioritize them.
What I see now days, is a bunch of people all wanting different things fixed and wanting it fixed now. There is not a united front, it is very hard to influence change without a unified message.

Maybe this unfortunate episode can bring someone to the forefront, someone who can lead the African American community.

The United States aren't United in the least. We live in total different universes. Maybe a divorce is in order.