Miller needs to be out there, but Kirk is falling in love with him as the slot option. Unless Dremel is hurt, he also needs to be out there, and Miller can be used in multiple options, including the Homerun option. Shouldnt be Miller to exclusion of Dremel.
Dremel and slot usage
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Dremel has great hands and can make catches when alone on the seams but he has a lot of trouble with contested catches. He gets smashed, rag-dolled pretty easy. He also falls down a lot after a catch and cant go long. I'm sure he'll play in games but he's not a B1G starter. Miller way out front
Just so you know Dremel is 189 lbs and Miller is 184 lbs.
There were a handful of times last year Dremel had DBs beat and GW just wildly mis-threw the ball.
He's not fast on longer routes and cant get ahead of DBs
If he did get ahead the QB wouldn't see him because bigger DBs would screen him.
Slot WRs are known not to be good for long passes - its a rule pretty much
He had good hands but if a defender was near him he would get stripped and pancaked
Last fall in first few games there was no RU tape for teams
Once they saw the slant trick they stopped it.
Oct/Nov/Dec - no TDs from Drem.
I understand he's akin to Rudy at RU and he earned that.
However he's not a B1G starter despite people here who think he's a NFL WR.
Obviously the coaches dont think so either and thats not a surprise (for me anyway)
Ash we get it that you’re very pro Miller. It doesn’t need to be an either or. The point is Dremel has proven himself in the slot and would be a good safety valve. They shouldn’t throw that away. Miller should also get balls, but they don’t necessarily need to be only in the slot.
Millers best position is the slot, period.
Love Dremel toughness and heart. He has a spot on the team no matter what, but the quality of receivers on this year's team is much better. Dremel is no longer the best receiver on the team.
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FIVE year player with under 500 yds and only 3 TDs
This isn't Chrebet although I read the comparison a lot
No TDs since Sept last year
I saw him get rag-dolled more than a few times
Nobody is rag-dolling Miller
Miller isn't only plus since there's a good TE now and other WRs who can go long
Having multiple receivers who are good is huge
When Cruickshank went down and left Melton as only good WR, RU never scored a passing TD in second half of season.
As I said he's got the Rudy thing and he earned that but he shouldn't be a starter.
Really overdoing the “rag doll” thing to the extent its denigrating rather than just a personnel preference.
These frosh receivers are reminding me of the Britt/Tim Brown/Shamar Graves class.
Duff is going to be a big headache for opposing defensive coordinators one day. Black apparently has speed but not sure he has Timmy Brown kind of speed.
Ohio St beat him up like a HS kid (and they weren't the only ones).
If he was alone and not too far away he could catch/run.
If anyone was close to him they snuffed him
You are showing the OSu play? There were 2 defenders in perfect position. Not sure any receiver was going to score tgere. That wasn’t on Dremel.
As for the current slot situation- Dremel did show he is a starting B1G WR.
We just have better options this year who beat him out.
That is a positive about Miller and does not have to be a negative about Dremel.
As for the current slot situation- Dremel did show he is a starting B1G WR.
We just have better options this year who beat him out.
That is a positive about Miller and does not have to be a negative about Dremel.
Dremel will play. We'll see him as the season progresses.
He'll finish the season with about a dozen catches.
He'll finish the season with about a dozen catches.
Ohio St is in the B1G
Rutgers is in the B1G
If RU players cant hold-up vs Ohio then its one of the B1G JV teams.
There were no other TDs vs any B1G team after September.
Drem doesn't have Tim Brown's speed and wouldn't have started on the BE teams.
He has good hands and can catch when free so he can be a nice change-up on occasion.
Small guys with good hands are all over D3
I bet Dremel runs in the 4.5s. If you're going to cherry pick plays by him why not the one where he jukes the hell out of the Michigan secondary for like the second play of the game for a 60 yard TD?
I don’t see Dremel being better than any of the receivers we have seen on the field thus far.
No - it’s actually more about Gavin with him. In case you missed the memo, his position continues to be that we should’ve stuck with Gavin Wimsatt over AK and anything good AK does in the passing game this year is only because Miller is better than Dremel and any options that we had last year for Gavin and Gavin could’ve done all and any of it and then some with better receivers.
Yes that was a great catch and and run (and throw by GW) at beginning of season. Then other teams saw what RU did and ended those plays - no more TDs after Sept. The pass you mention was where Dremel was open in the middle zone weak spot and had nobody on him. He could make those catches early.
Then they went like this - dusted like lint. He can't make contested catches and you have to in the B1G
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Yes that was a great catch and and run (and throw by GW) at beginning of season. Then other teams saw what RU did and ended those plays - no more TDs after Sept. The pass you mention was where Dremel was open in the middle zone weak spot and had nobody on him. He could make those catches early.
Then they went like this - dusted like lint. He can't make contested catches and you have to in the B1G
You're not showing the part where the DB literally falls because of Dremels sharp route running. He then outruns the entire Michigan secondary. The #1 defense and national champs. They even had their #1 cover corner on him who is now in the NFL and he burned him.
Also the second play was just the Maryland DB getting his hand on the ball. It was a good play by him.
I'm not sure what you have against Dremel. He's a very good route runner, has good speed and probably the best hands on the team. Is it because he's white? I mean he's short but he has more bulk/strength than Chris Long and Dymere Miller.
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Its not a personal - he's just a number and a mustache to me
He has good hands and knows where the sweet spots are in a zone.
His speed isn't really that great (a DB from across field was catching up in Michigan clip).
He has short legs and cant go long with B1G DBs (a reason he never gets sent long)
His strength is not near Miller's - he's actually flimsy in contact and that's the problem.
He gets dusted a lot and he falls down untouched after a fair number of catches
Lots of guys can catch but cant catch contested balls - B1G WR have to do that.
I wanted NYGs to take Odunze in draft - much better at contested balls than Nabers
Sanu was great at contested balls - left DBs crumpled on the ground.
People need to remember RU isn't in BE - B1G WRs should be among the best in nation.
RU's WR were very weak last year
He would not have got through the traffic on this TD the way Miller did. A little bit of contact and poof he's down
No - it has zero to do with Dremel and is entirely because Gavin had him as a resource. The suggestion that Dremel was a decent passing option last year doesn’t fit Ashokan’s narrative. Thats it - nothing more.
Anything that happens to go well in the passing game for this season will be entirely about the receivers. The mantra - anything AK does, Gavin would’ve done better.
Dremel is more than just a number, he’s 2 numbers.Its not a personal - he's just a number and a mustache to me
He has good hands and knows where the sweet spots are in a zone.
His speed isn't really that great (a DB from across field was catching up in Michigan clip).
He has short legs and cant go long with B1G DBs (a reason he never gets sent long)
His strength is not near Miller's - he's actually flimsy in contact and that's the problem.
He gets dusted a lot and he falls down untouched after a fair number of catches
Lots of guys can catch but cant catch contested balls - B1G WR have to do that.
I wanted NYGs to take Odunze in draft - much better at contested balls than Nabers
Sanu was great at contested balls - left DBs crumpled on the ground.
People need to remember RU isn't in BE - B1G WRs should be among the best in nation.
RU's WR were very weak last year
He would not have got through the traffic on this TD the way Miller did. A little bit of contact and poof he's down
Why is this an either or- Hate playing that game. Miller beat out Dremel for the top spot- that does not mean that Dremel is not worthy of being a B1G WR. You get how that works, right?Its not a personal - he's just a number and a mustache to me
He has good hands and knows where the sweet spots are in a zone.
His speed isn't really that great (a DB from across field was catching up in Michigan clip).
He has short legs and cant go long with B1G DBs (a reason he never gets sent long)
His strength is not near Miller's - he's actually flimsy in contact and that's the problem.
He gets dusted a lot and he falls down untouched after a fair number of catches
Lots of guys can catch but cant catch contested balls - B1G WR have to do that.
I wanted NYGs to take Odunze in draft - much better at contested balls than Nabers
Sanu was great at contested balls - left DBs crumpled on the ground.
People need to remember RU isn't in BE - B1G WRs should be among the best in nation.
RU's WR were very weak last year
He would not have got through the traffic on this TD the way Miller did. A little bit of contact and poof he's down
Kid did have 36 catches last year- that is solid. And we had the 4th hardest schedule in the country. I looked back- and he did not have 36 catches against Wagner.
Interesting to revisit this issue with some game perspective. Hard to argue now cd shouldn’t get more snaps.
Go no TE and two slots.
Move Miller outside on occasion w Dremel.
Number of ways to get cd more snaps w out minimizing Miller. Can argue other we and te should be more limited
Go no TE and two slots.
Move Miller outside on occasion w Dremel.
Number of ways to get cd more snaps w out minimizing Miller. Can argue other we and te should be more limited
I think the argument is Dremel is better than the remaining tight ends on the roster, so go to a 4 WR set, at times, which makes sense. Assuming Fletcher is out.
I don’t see why they can’t use Dremel and Miller with hopefully Ian Strong (if healthy). Those are their 3 best WRs in my opinion. Nothing against the kid, but I don’t understand using Long as much as they do. I know he has fought through injuries and is one of their faster players, but he is their least physical WR and isn’t particularly good when challenged catching the ball. Using him on the underneath crossing and rub routes makes no sense to me. Dremel, Strong and Miller would be much better at that.
well he's keeping his rep alive on his posts
@Richie O thought you were talking to him about this bs?
Emotions have nothing to do with anything - on my part anyway.
Dremel has great hands if he's alone and moving.
He made a great catch vs Wisconsin because the DBs lost him falling for AK pump and rushing to LOS.
If a defender is around him he gets dispatched pretty easy.
After a catch he often falls down because his catch radius is small and he has to reach off balance more.
A 6 year player with 48 receptions, 591 yds and 3 TDs is not very prodigious for a B1G player.
DIII is full of small guys with great hands - high schools are too for that matter.
After last September when teams had RU diagnosed Dremel never caught another TD.
DBs just mugged him and took the short passes away.
People like the underdog theme and that's nice but when missing nice fall days to see games I want B1G players.
Coaches stopped starting CD and if he starts again its a bad sign.
I do still think he's a nice change-up to catch defenses not wary.
yeah.. Dremel's "falling down" last year was based on just how far he had to stretch himself to catch the inaccurate pass.
2 inaccurate passes caught.. that's what I see there. I think we know why you didn't show any passes he could catch in stride... though they were harder to find, no doubt.