You never know with the NCAA Eligibility Center, and his school doesn't have the greatest reputation. Hopefully he gets through and there are no eligibility issues
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Knew this was coming down the pipe. Was at rutgers a few weeks back talking to the staff and they were waiting for it to officially come down. Had to finish a couple classes at a local private school first.
We should steal some of Duke's letterhead. They seem to hear from the clearinghouse within hours when their recruits reclassify.
A few days ago I read an article about an Indiana football recruit deemed ineligible after their compliance team gave him bad advice over the past year. The IU athletic director had to make a public statement of apology. But I have faith that RU's compliance officers won't goof like that and all should be good to go.
A few days ago I read an article about an Indiana football recruit deemed ineligible after their compliance team gave him bad advice over the past year. The IU athletic director had to make a public statement of apology. But I have faith that RU's compliance officers won't goof like that and all should be good to go.
Does anyone know how long this clearinghouse process takes? Does he have to wait for clearance before he can start working out with the team, doing drills and S&C,etc.
since it's Rutgers, I'd assume between 4-6 months
From what's on video it seems like this kid can do a lot more than to be called a project. He makes short jumpers, boxes out, finds the open man and can rebound and block shots. Not sure about the level of competition but you have to think he's going to give you much more athleticism than we've ever had as a center. Maybe N'jiye ( forget the spelling) but Doucoure looks much more polished at this age.
I think if we played big and had Shaq and Doucoure clog up the middle, if jumpers are off; we could box out and rebound with the best of the big 10. I think if Shaq is healthy he will be a tough match up and add Doucoure and a scrappy defender like Eugene; we could really be a nightmare down low. Mike Williams is a great defender up top and Corey has gotten much better.
Yeah. I see no reason to believe we'll be anything less than an excellent rebounding team this season.
It should be fun to watch on both the defense and offensive glass. Seems like Doucoure likes to clean up the scraps for points. Exactly Pikiells type of player.
Could be wrong but I think we're already outrebounding most of the Big 10, if not everyone.
For those worried about the 2018 class rating...
What this does is put our class in the middle of the pack in the B1G in 2017....
With Mathis we will stay middle of the pack in 2018....
This is the formula folks, recruit just enough to stay in the middle of the pack for multiple seasons, it then stops being about lack of talent....2019 now becomes a focus, three years in a row with middle of the pack B1G talent, and the post season becomes when, not if....
What this does is put our class in the middle of the pack in the B1G in 2017....
With Mathis we will stay middle of the pack in 2018....
This is the formula folks, recruit just enough to stay in the middle of the pack for multiple seasons, it then stops being about lack of talent....2019 now becomes a focus, three years in a row with middle of the pack B1G talent, and the post season becomes when, not if....
AGREE - but hope that all of the time invested in making this move also involved a great deal of checking and planning - and clearly building a solid mountain of rock-solid documentation establishing that Doucoure amply meets or exceeds all requirements.
Also, the NCAA has previously been sharply called out for the questionable / unfair / arbitrary manner that it has dealt with players from Our Savior New American School, on Long Island, -holding up eligibility for unspecified and ambiguous reasons (see - N. Y. Times article - https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/sports/ncaabasketball/ncaa-clears-players-then-absolves-itself.html?mcubz=0 )
will hope that the NCAA has no desire to go through that again - will swiftly move through the process of examining credentials in a purely objective manner.
Diallo sat out because he was injured in HS and coming off a torn ACL, not because of anything related to clearinghouse.....Once he got hung up for a short time looking into it, there wasn't a need to play him since he wasn't close to full speed and was better off sitting out and redshirting anyway.
Sorry, Hawk but Diallo was a partial qualifier his freshman year. He and Ryan Johnson sat our their freshmen years http://www.zagsblog.com/2014/10/03/two-rutgers-freshmen-to-sit-out-as-partial-qualifiers/
Speaking of Ryan Johnson, looks like he has ended up at Mercer after a stint at the JUCO level
I have no inside info, but the Clearinghouse and RU have never seemed to hit it off very well - maybe Hobbs/Pike have changed that, maybe not. I'll wait to hear 100% confirmation on eligibility before doing any cartwheels, but it's certainly a big step in the right direction.
The worst case in midyear enrollee..I'd still celebrate that. Getting him into s+c as fast as possible is the biggest priority so he's rdy for when Mathis arrives
RU could've pushed for Diallo but the partial qualifier status was primarily because of his ACLstatus , not the clearinghouse etc.....there was really no true need to push for it since he would not have been able to contribute that freshman season, so he sat out and redshirted, which was at the time the best way to handle it...remember, that year counted towards his 5 to play 4....Diallo is graduating in December and has eligibility left because he sat that first partial qualifier/season....if he played the 2nd half of his freshman season (Assuming he was healthy), he would be a true senior right now and out of eligibility to play.
As I recall, the process of passing through the NCAA Clearinghouse is, in principle, entirely focused on
(1.) Academics - the student athlete's grades, the courses they took, their ACT / SAT scores, the high school(s) that they attended
(2.) Amateurism / compensation - the student athlete and all of the form of competition in which they have participated & if they have been paid in any way or received anything that might be deemed to be a "benefit"
In theory, the college or university that they wish to attend is not factored into the Clearinghouse process - the only thing close is that there is a difference in standards between DI & DII & DIII
In theory, the college or university that violates NCAA rules is not factored into the sanctions/punishment process, either.
That may well be true, but all I know is we failed miserably, many times in the past, to effectively "negotiate" the process, ending up with players who did not "clear" the clearinghouse and either didn't play one year or never played at all for RU (in multiple sports). That's why I am hoping that maybe we have better systems (and maybe the NCAA does too) and people in place now than we did back then - I simply have no first hand knowledge, so based on past performance "nervousness" is a natural reaction.
With the added wins in 2017 the 2018 recruiting will more than make that up.
This news is huge. If he qualifies right off the bat, it gives us 4 capable "bigs" with Sa, Doorson, Johnson, and Doucore -- and that's not counting our starting PF in Freeman (who's not really a "big" but rather a stretch 4). This enables Pike to keep Omoruyi at the 3, where I think he can be a lockdown defender.
1 - Sanders, Mensah, Dadika
2 - Williams, Baker
3 - Thiam, Omoruyi, Bullock
4 - Freeman, Sa
5 - Doorson/Doucore/Johnson
I think the minutes fall this way:
Guard (80)
- Sanders (30)
- Williams (26)
- Mensah (12)
- Baker (12)
Wing (40)
- Thiam (24)
- Omoruyi (16)
Bigs (80)
- Freeman (30)
- Sa (16)
- Doorson (16)
- Doucore (10)
- Johnson (8)
1 - Sanders, Mensah, Dadika
2 - Williams, Baker
3 - Thiam, Omoruyi, Bullock
4 - Freeman, Sa
5 - Doorson/Doucore/Johnson
I think the minutes fall this way:
Guard (80)
- Sanders (30)
- Williams (26)
- Mensah (12)
- Baker (12)
Wing (40)
- Thiam (24)
- Omoruyi (16)
Bigs (80)
- Freeman (30)
- Sa (16)
- Doorson (16)
- Doucore (10)
- Johnson (8)
I have a feeling we're going to be playing our fair share of 3-guard sets, so we won't have 40 min exclusively between Thiam/Omoruyi, and that Omoruyi will still see some minutes at the 4.
Guard/Wing (120)
- Sanders (30)
- Williams (26)
- Thiam (22)
- Baker (15)
- Omoruyi (14)
- Mensah (10)
- Bullock (4)
Bigs
- Freeman (27)
- Sa (20)
- Doorson (12)
- Doucoure/Johnson (17)
- Omoruyi (4)
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I agree conceptually with Choppin - we will see some 3-guard offense.
BK has implied he thinks Baker has been so sharp in workouts that he might start, and Williams coming off the bench (still starter minutes, but off the bench).
If that is the case, maybe you see minutes something like this:
Guards/Wings (120):
Sanders (30)
Williams (24)
Thiam (22)
Baker (18)
Omoruyi (14 at WF/G)
Mensah (10)
Bullock (2)
Bigs (80):
Freeman (27)
Sa (18)
Doorson (12)
Doucore (12)
Johnson (6)
Omoruyi (5)
Not sure where you're getting your info on that but I specifically recall attending a Court Club meeting Diallo's freshman year where Eddie Jordan laid out the facts that Diallo didn't have the core courses or something but that he was a bright kid and was tutoring his teammates in Calculus while also outperforming all of the eligible big men in practice (perhaps some Eddie hyperbole there). It was in December 2015 that he came up with an injury that caused him to miss a bunch of time but due to his already sitting out a year, another redshirt was not in the cards and he returned late in the season.
It's odd that someone would want to fight this fight. Let's hope that the kid gets cleared and that, as 3 degrees referenced, the clearinghouse doesn't bite us in the *** as it has before.
It's a valid point but I believe Doucoure (like most kids) is better off moving forward with his academic career and getting the best support he can in doing so at RU vs anywhere else....it's also better for his basketball development for him to be at RU for the next 60 days or 300 days, by being here, vs at his current HS/Prep school etc...
As much as we are thinking about this current season first, I think the staff is red-hot on the recruiting trail...partly because the first year was such a bounce back success story and because their focus on getting kids that were attainable, has worked for the most part. And the main focus to continue to show that improvement is to show more improvement against B1G competition (and Florida State/Seton Hall etc).....Even if Doucoure misses the first 5-7 games, his development and playing most of this season is best for now, while looking forward to the 2018-19 season, when RU needs to have some players that have played and are in the system for a year.
We are going to be implementing a lot of new faces in 2018-19 and getting Doucoure involved now, will help for Year 3 of the Pike rebuild, much more than how many games (if any) he may miss this season. And it still comes down to Doorson not necessarily being a lock to be healthy and mobile enough to contribute. Doucoure will be able to fill in and help Myles Johnson inside....he has decent footspeed and can rebound, which is extremely important.
As much as we are thinking about this current season first, I think the staff is red-hot on the recruiting trail...partly because the first year was such a bounce back success story and because their focus on getting kids that were attainable, has worked for the most part. And the main focus to continue to show that improvement is to show more improvement against B1G competition (and Florida State/Seton Hall etc).....Even if Doucoure misses the first 5-7 games, his development and playing most of this season is best for now, while looking forward to the 2018-19 season, when RU needs to have some players that have played and are in the system for a year.
We are going to be implementing a lot of new faces in 2018-19 and getting Doucoure involved now, will help for Year 3 of the Pike rebuild, much more than how many games (if any) he may miss this season. And it still comes down to Doorson not necessarily being a lock to be healthy and mobile enough to contribute. Doucoure will be able to fill in and help Myles Johnson inside....he has decent footspeed and can rebound, which is extremely important.
Im hoping Doucoure gets cleared. Duke having a year of seasoning along with the infusion of McClung, Kiss(1 year of practice w/ the team), baker seasoned for a year and Mathis coming in probably ready to go out the gate primes us for a year to make noise in 18 and an even bigger boom in 19'.
Pike is getting the right guys in for the 19' class and i believe we are not done with the 18' class. Id love Shaq, the juco transfer to bolster the front court.
Exciting things on the horizon for the banks. People can trash us all they want but the trajectory is upwards. Money coming in, facilities beign built and prized recruits stepping foot on campus is only the beginning.
Pike is getting the right guys in for the 19' class and i believe we are not done with the 18' class. Id love Shaq, the juco transfer to bolster the front court.
Exciting things on the horizon for the banks. People can trash us all they want but the trajectory is upwards. Money coming in, facilities beign built and prized recruits stepping foot on campus is only the beginning.
Minutes are all speculation (obviously)
If Baker exceeds expectations I could see Williams taking a lot of "3" minutes and eating in to Thaim and Eugene's minutes.
Last year's Thiam and Eugene would easily lose minutes if another player was worthy of the minutes. Definitely possibly Eugene and/or Issa improve a ton.
Williams versatility affords us more to play more of the best 7-8 basketball players. that could be Sanders Baker Williams Mensah Freeman Doucore Sa
My early $ has a starting 5 of......sanders baker williams freeman sa
If Baker exceeds expectations I could see Williams taking a lot of "3" minutes and eating in to Thaim and Eugene's minutes.
Last year's Thiam and Eugene would easily lose minutes if another player was worthy of the minutes. Definitely possibly Eugene and/or Issa improve a ton.
Williams versatility affords us more to play more of the best 7-8 basketball players. that could be Sanders Baker Williams Mensah Freeman Doucore Sa
My early $ has a starting 5 of......sanders baker williams freeman sa
What I don't get is the NCAA Clearinghouse some sort of secret society? Shouldn't they have lists of core courses needed, ACT or SAT scores needed. Grades and scores needed in each to qualify. If the schools he attended are credentialed institutions of learning why all the guess work?
Shouldn't RU know all this before hand and be able to add everything up to determine if he's qualified or not? Why is the NCAA Clearinghouse so secretive? It shouldn't be that way at all, they should be totally transparent. There should be advisors readily available to guide you through this process. It shouldn't be a shock if you qualify or not.
- While there are lots of steps - and the are multiple section online questionnaires can be completed - it is not rocket science - and there is no 'mystery'
- a lot of answers can be found here: http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/play-division-i-sports
- there is a section where you identify your high school (by checking a box - they already have the school listed in the system & have assigned it an ID number) you the do a basic check - check -check for all of the core courses (they have most of the possible courses - with the NCAA's ID number for the course for your school also loaded into the system - but they do not always have all of them - and don't have the unique ones) that you have taken - this is only preliminary - since it is intended that you initially register during your sophomore year - then the official recognizing of your courses starts to happen when you have your school submits your preliminary official transcript - that formally logs your courses taken into the system - this is during junior year - a preliminary eligibility is determined (plays a role in recruiting process - gotta be legit to get an official trip) For D1 you have to earn at least a 2.3 GPA in your core courses. But there is also a sliding scale composite score GPA & (SAT / ACT) that you need to hit so a higher GPA may take some SAT / ACT pressure off - it can be found in the link above
To be eligible to compete in NCAA sports during your first year at a Division I school, you must graduate high school and meet ALL the following requirements:
- Complete 16 core courses:
- Four years of English
- Three years of math (Algebra 1 or higher) - - (no basic arithmetic)
- Two years of natural/physical science (including one year of lab science if your high school offers it)
- One additional year of English, math or natural/physical science
- Two years of social science
- Four additional years of English, math, natural/physical science, social science, foreign language, comparative religion or philosophy
- Complete 10 core courses, including seven in English, math or natural/physical science, before your seventh semester
RU can help - and hopefully knows virtually everything - and has helped to make sure everything is in order - but fundamentally this is the Athlete's process - and really only the athlete and their high school(s) - and potentially their outside teams or organizations will be involved in an official manner. Right now Rutgers is sort of an outsider - only serving as a support for the athlete.
So, where do things get murky?
1. If some classes that the athlete is using to meet the 'core requirement' have non-standard names it can cause scrutiny - and then they have to read the course description - contact the school - and it can become a bit of a bureaucratic mess - especially if the NCAA has the High School on the "watch list"
2. If some of the timing is off ... or if the kid has changed schools ( kids with 4 high schools in 4 years can be touch & go) .. or if the High School is just lousy at responding - all can slow - derail process
3. If the Amateurism stuff is fuzzy / fishy - the NCAA claws into that - mostly impacts international athletes who may have been traveling on teams with close interaction with professionals - navigating all that is an art form.
I get the distinct impression that RU feels very good about MD being eligible, otherwise he'd prep the extra season.
No reason to start the kids clock if the consensus is he won't be able to play.
Obviously, there are no guarantees, but you'd have to think positively here IMHO
No reason to start the kids clock if the consensus is he won't be able to play.
Obviously, there are no guarantees, but you'd have to think positively here IMHO