Does image and likeness increase
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It would take shady recruiting to another level. How much would a well heeled donor be willing to drop on signed jerseys to get a kid to commit?
Oh no, is Kentucky going to start getting all the best recruits?
Kids should never, ever not be in control of their image, likeness and intellectual property, it’s yours, you own it.
Use of it without your express written consent and approval should be illegal and subject to law suits.
That said, boosters and friends of the program should be forbidden from involvement in any way.
IMO
Use of it without your express written consent and approval should be illegal and subject to law suits.
That said, boosters and friends of the program should be forbidden from involvement in any way.
IMO
See, when you put it this way in its simplest form, it’s very easy to say yes to this idea.
Good one, @zappaa.
Same issue with drug laws and Gun laws, the criminal does not obey laws or "rules". I am sure a booster who has put himself in a position in life to payoff college players can not figure a way to launder money to them, especially if it is now legal to do so.
So, you're saying that 5* KU gets will now have to not show-up to his own self-named 4-6th grade basketball camp instead of not showing-up to that on-campus library job that pays him $60k a year?
yes, it makes it much much easier - but, those who want to cheat are going to cheat - NIL hasn't stopped them yet - and won't in the future
........ but, if done well - it will help the kids who are actually following the rules
yes, it makes it much much easier - but, those who want to cheat are going to cheat - NIL hasn't stopped them yet - and won't in the future
........ but, if done well - it will help the kids who are actually following the rules
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NIL also has another effect. Money that businesses are paying to sponsor or advertise with a college program may instead be redirected to a player so that's revenue that the college isn't getting because it's going directly to the player. If I am a businessman am I going to invest my advertising dollars toward some page in a program or signage or am I going to have Geo Baker come to my store and sign autographs or pitch my products on radio or TV? Which do you think would get more notice?
It would actually eliminate shady recruiting because the "shady" part would now be perfectly legal. Are you a rich donor who wants Point Guard X to come to your school? No problem, get him to sell you $100k worth of t-shirts with his face on it. Problem solved.
The funniest thing is if the current rules didn’t exist a Guy Like Geo and a program like Rutgers probably don’t exist
This likeness Image thing has the potential to end college sports as we know it
This likeness Image thing has the potential to end college sports as we know it
it drastically decreases it because now it will be public. Cuts down the benefit a small number of programs have had by illegally funneling money to a few kids and let’s rule following programs get money to kids.
End the video game and NCAA business dealings, but colleges will always find players.
Colleges and the NCAA profiting off a player's names and likenesses on merchandise will end but players being mentioned and/or videos of them in game action won't cost their school a dime when hawking upcoming games in media outlets.
More is being made of this than it's really worth.
Geo and the others that talked about interrupting games shown a lot of common sense in deciding not to do it and like any action being contemplated by any group it was something that we shouldn't make into a horrifying thing, but something that happens most of the time by people planing business decisions and the effect it might have to those they want support from .
We shall see no one can predict what the exact impact will be. It will impact negatively schools that are not typical powers and non revenue sports negatively at the least
hardly. Literally nothing changes. Players already go to Ohio state and Michigan. And if the school doesn't pay a dime any Rutgers player can position themselves well to earn endorsements in the NY market. Imagine Geo or Ron Harper signs along the turnpike, now they can actually see a penny from it.
In some ways, it may even the playing field a bit - why be the 11th guy in the rotation at a top school (not really much money there) when you can be the guy (or one of the top guys) at a slightly lesser program, especially one that located in a sizeable town or city that doesn't have pro teams. There's a lot more marketing potential in that second situation.
Disagree. So the shady schools will now legally get the kids they got before who were willing to take money under the table and they will also get the kids with some scruples and who wouldn’t take illegal payments.
I scoffed at this when I read it but then remembered something Julie Herman said about changing the names of the Lots from colors to names.
Guess Julie really “gets it” after all.
I did the same with a professional...
Thought for sure Dave Brown was going to be THE guy for the Giants at QB for a long time. So I laid out a lot of $$$ for a real Apex Giants jersey with his name on the back.
e5fdny <———- idiot
How do you enforce this? What is a booster? Anyone making a financial donation to an athletic department - even to get better tickets (like priority points)? If yes - who’s left??
Folks have suggested the NCAA could put a cap on how much an athlete could make. How long would it take before the players started bitching about that? "Who is the NCAA to say I can only make $10K ($20K, $30K, whatever $K) a year off my likeness!" You know it will happen. Once you open this door it's over - you may as well just let schools pay players.
Agree wholeheartedly.
It’s a Pandora’s box. One step closer to unionizing college athletes.
I know folks have talked about Geo Baker leading this charge. I want to know what lawyers will be meeting with him and the NCAA leadership. Doubt they only focused on the rights of student athletes.
It’s a Pandora’s box. One step closer to unionizing college athletes.
I know folks have talked about Geo Baker leading this charge. I want to know what lawyers will be meeting with him and the NCAA leadership. Doubt they only focused on the rights of student athletes.
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Some are missing the point on why Geo is taking this stance, its not about t-shirts, autographs, merch, or anything else suggested.
(TOS article)
“I have heard a lot of people say well boosters can just basically pay a guy a whole lot of money but the top one percent isn’t what truly matters in this situation,” Baker said. “It’s about everyone else. Luke Nathan, who is a walk-on on my team, he can’t go to his town and have a Luke Nathan basketball camp. Daniel Lobach on my team, another walk-on, he’s an amazing artist. He can’t start an Instagram page called Daniel Lobach art because the NCAA won’t allow it.”
Geo has every right to say what he is saying if the NCAA is overstepping its boundaries by preventing a walkon who is paying his entire way through college and can't hold some form of youth basketball camp during the summer to teach kids some of the coaching he is receiving at Rutgers and maybe earn a little cash in the process without fear of losing eligibility or not allowing a walkon basketball player to even start an art account on Social Media to prevent said athlete a little cash or notarity without losing eligibility, but high schoolers, tweens, and children can do that and still play sports as long as they are academically eligible. There are probably thousands of stories each year in some form or another preventing college athletes at all levels from doing something or losing their eligibility for minor infractions that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Yet, the Blue Bloods, or "name schools", can filter hundreds of thousands of dollars to land recruits through NCAA-licensed shoe companies, NCAA-licensed apparel companies, boosters, and alumni without batting an eyeball as being illegal because the NCAA gets their cut of the "name brand" through being a part of the Tournament and TV ratings being higher for those schools advancing throughout March Madness every year, while holding less valuable college programs down in the process isn't wrong? Some feel Geo is somehow "destroying" his 4 year legacy by stating what everyone knows happens and is ignored by many because the scholarship is enough or he shouldn't fight for the little guys and walkons, I think it is wise beyond his years to change a system that is clearly broken and needs a massive overhaul in the worst way on how things have always been done.
(TOS article)
“I have heard a lot of people say well boosters can just basically pay a guy a whole lot of money but the top one percent isn’t what truly matters in this situation,” Baker said. “It’s about everyone else. Luke Nathan, who is a walk-on on my team, he can’t go to his town and have a Luke Nathan basketball camp. Daniel Lobach on my team, another walk-on, he’s an amazing artist. He can’t start an Instagram page called Daniel Lobach art because the NCAA won’t allow it.”
Geo has every right to say what he is saying if the NCAA is overstepping its boundaries by preventing a walkon who is paying his entire way through college and can't hold some form of youth basketball camp during the summer to teach kids some of the coaching he is receiving at Rutgers and maybe earn a little cash in the process without fear of losing eligibility or not allowing a walkon basketball player to even start an art account on Social Media to prevent said athlete a little cash or notarity without losing eligibility, but high schoolers, tweens, and children can do that and still play sports as long as they are academically eligible. There are probably thousands of stories each year in some form or another preventing college athletes at all levels from doing something or losing their eligibility for minor infractions that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Yet, the Blue Bloods, or "name schools", can filter hundreds of thousands of dollars to land recruits through NCAA-licensed shoe companies, NCAA-licensed apparel companies, boosters, and alumni without batting an eyeball as being illegal because the NCAA gets their cut of the "name brand" through being a part of the Tournament and TV ratings being higher for those schools advancing throughout March Madness every year, while holding less valuable college programs down in the process isn't wrong? Some feel Geo is somehow "destroying" his 4 year legacy by stating what everyone knows happens and is ignored by many because the scholarship is enough or he shouldn't fight for the little guys and walkons, I think it is wise beyond his years to change a system that is clearly broken and needs a massive overhaul in the worst way on how things have always been done.
Sorry I call BS.
Who’s signing their kid up for the Luke Nathan bball camp...and you sending your kid to that camp instead of Geo baker’s??
My kids know LN because he’s the wild guy always yelling on the sideline. They don’t practice a step back jumper in the driveway like LN...
The more I consider this it’s just messaging to broaden support to say it will help all students by really it will only help the 1%...
And when the lawyers step in to get rich and unionize student athletes they will be the ones laughing all the way to the bank...not Luke Nathan.
Just sayin...
Who’s signing their kid up for the Luke Nathan bball camp...and you sending your kid to that camp instead of Geo baker’s??
My kids know LN because he’s the wild guy always yelling on the sideline. They don’t practice a step back jumper in the driveway like LN...
The more I consider this it’s just messaging to broaden support to say it will help all students by really it will only help the 1%...
And when the lawyers step in to get rich and unionize student athletes they will be the ones laughing all the way to the bank...not Luke Nathan.
Just sayin...
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Seriously? NIL is about players earning money while they are college athletes, not high school recruits. That would still be illegal.
So they promise them the payments for whatever bogus services/merchandise/appearances after they enroll. Even if they couldn’t skirt around it for HS recruits what do you think would happen with portal? It would be like EBay!
The fact that they approached a high school recruit and made them promises is already illegal. Plus, that’s already being done. “Commit to my school and I’ll give you X amount of dollars a month.” NIL changes none of that.
Wherever Luke Nathan graduated high school, they know who he is. Those players and coaches that may have played against him in his school district know who he is and know where he walked on to. It's also about showing how far he has come from high school player to the player and person he is today. This is what walking on to a good program can do for you or the various other programs that may want to do this in the future. Being mentors to the next generation without some of the crooked AAU guys cashing in.
But it makes it far easier. They can’t catch programs actually giving them money now, How are they going to stop them from promising them money. No comments on how it could be used to sway transfers?
This. I have a relative that played college ball. He wasn’t a star, but kids from the area wanted to train with him and learn drills to get better while he was home. He probably could’ve received permission from the high school to use the court for a weekend in the summer and run his own camp, if not for NIL. Instead, he worked out with a few of them a couple of times every summer free of charge.
This is misleading. The athletes are "in control" of their likeness, image etc. today. But when they sign on for scholarship, they agree the school and NCAA can use those in exchange for the scholarship. So there is written consent today and has been forever. And if anyone doesn't consent to that then they don't accept the scholarship and go to an alternate league (i.e. Lamelo Ball to overseas)
What the push is for now is that the players don't want a fixed compensation (scholarship & stipend) for their likeness/image. What they want is for the NCAA to lift the restriction of their ability to make money off doing anything - including using their personal brand to make money. Whether that be selling their art work, signed jerseys, a YouTube channel producing revenue, or selling lemonade outside the RAC. For normal students who are on scholarship - they can do any of that because its not part of their scholarship agreement. For athletes, its restricted activity.
"I don't get why these kids think they have value. Who is gonna pay to attend events featuring these kids? Who is going to buy merch w these kids likeness?!?!"
- Men who spend thousands of dollars a year to attend these kids' games, buy jerseys with their numbers on them, pay for a premium message board to track their intentions of where they'll go to school, agonize when they transfer out or have a bad game, get excited when they run into them or a member of their family out and about, and spend hours if their lives following and discussing these kids and their careers college athletics careers.
- Men who spend thousands of dollars a year to attend these kids' games, buy jerseys with their numbers on them, pay for a premium message board to track their intentions of where they'll go to school, agonize when they transfer out or have a bad game, get excited when they run into them or a member of their family out and about, and spend hours if their lives following and discussing these kids and their careers college athletics careers.