I remember driving to Indianapolis to watch UK vs IU. That was like twenty three years ago. I remember IU as a big part of most weekends when watching games on national t.v. wow they suck now. Delusional idiots. Reading posts on IUs board, i was shocked how a bunch of losers could be so demanding. They want a SN driven team. No ONDs. Thats not the IU way. A strong bball IQ kid. Who puts IU above themselves. All the kids stay and make great memories for this delusional fan base..just idiots. Keep names off jerseys because its about IU. God forbid any of these youngmen have a idenity outside IU. No wonder top talent stays away from that hell hole..At least other programs have changed with the times and know their place in college ball. IU is still lost in BK throwing chairs and beating up the help. Lol. I will watch this dumpster fire and enjoy..losers.
Does anyone remember when IU actually mattered?
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It matters you idiots!!!
They’re would be no ICU without IU
Sorry that was dumb, I’ve been up too long.
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I'm 33 and when I was kid I remember the games played in 91 and 92. Honestly some of my earliest memories honestly. Mashburn vs Cal Cheaney in the RCA dome and UK got them. Then the next year in Freedom Hall I'm almost positive Mashburn and Ford both scored 29 for UK and Cheaney and Matt Nover both scored 29 for IU. I can't find the old box score of it but I could swear that happened.
That's really the last time UK vs IU mattered.
That's really the last time UK vs IU mattered.
IU was in free fall even before Knight was fired. But Knight made that program.
UK and UNC have remained successful with several coaches. Remains to be seen what happens to Duke when K steps down, or dies first. Starting to look like he is never retiring.
UK and UNC have remained successful with several coaches. Remains to be seen what happens to Duke when K steps down, or dies first. Starting to look like he is never retiring.
I was in high school. For comparison, I have three kids and they have all graduated high school.
The only thing that I can remember about IU is hearing my dad talk about Bobby throwing the chair. I have no recollection of them ever being competitive consistently. Maybe a win here or there.
At first I thought Miller was a great hire. I’m not so sure of that anymore. It honestly may take a really big name hire to pull in good recruits consistently. As the OP highlighted, the Fanbase doesn’t want that. They only want in the state Indiana kids Who will stay at least three years. Those days are long gone.
1987!!!!
At first I thought Miller was a great hire. I’m not so sure of that anymore. It honestly may take a really big name hire to pull in good recruits consistently. As the OP highlighted, the Fanbase doesn’t want that. They only want in the state Indiana kids Who will stay at least three years. Those days are long gone.
1987!!!!
I’m 35 and I remember them seeming to matter because of how people talked about them. But they didn’t seem that good to me. They were middle of the road by then.
Man, it’s been a long time since they’ve been relevant.
Man, it’s been a long time since they’ve been relevant.
We've been trying to tell everyone that since the year 1901.
I remember their "glory years" They had some good teams back in the day. I was visiting at UK hospital the day we upset IU in 70's, got loud as hell in there
I'm nearly 55, so I do remember. That's the funny part. They have to rely on the memories of old farts for relevancy.
Two stats really stand out:
1) 1987-32 years is a long time.
2) Only made it to the EE once since 1993. I believe that's correct. That is simply astounding. 26 years.
I truly believe they have lost their blue blood status. You simply have to produce at some point to retain it. The long droughts in those categories prove who they are now.
1) 1987-32 years is a long time.
2) Only made it to the EE once since 1993. I believe that's correct. That is simply astounding. 26 years.
I truly believe they have lost their blue blood status. You simply have to produce at some point to retain it. The long droughts in those categories prove who they are now.
Purdue is now the team in the State of Indiana, IU fans should be trying to get to their level. Generations have past since IU was a power in basketball.
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They haven't won a title in my lifetime.
They've been to 1 Final Four and 1 other Elite 8 in my lifetime...
In their own state?
-Butler has been to 2 Final Four's in my lifetime
-Notre Dame has been to 2 Elite 8's in my lifetime
-Purdue has been to 3 Elite 8's in my lifetime....
And each of those 3 have been to an elite 8 in the last 10 years....Indiana hasn't been since 2002.
It's bad folks!
They've been to 1 Final Four and 1 other Elite 8 in my lifetime...
In their own state?
-Butler has been to 2 Final Four's in my lifetime
-Notre Dame has been to 2 Elite 8's in my lifetime
-Purdue has been to 3 Elite 8's in my lifetime....
And each of those 3 have been to an elite 8 in the last 10 years....Indiana hasn't been since 2002.
It's bad folks!
Yes I remember 2013 when they spent most of the season #1 and made it all the way to the Sweet 16 before flaming out.
You all have pretty short memories. Don't you remember this time last year? They signed Romeo F'ing Langford. INDIANA IS BACK BABY!!!
Heh. Just like Moses, IU fans have to look across the river to see the promise land.
You could have argued going into the Elite Eight round of 1993 that Indiana had caught Kentucky and was poised to become THE greatest program in college basketball. The schools were tied with five titles. Indiana had two since Kentucky's last and had been to the Final Four the year before . With Kentucky fairly recently off probation, the Hoosiers seemed to have more momentum. Bobby Knight was 52, and seemed on top of his game with teams built around players like Calbert Chaney, Alan Henderson and Damon Bailey. Their absolutely miserable, rabid dog fans were in full pestilent swarm mode.
Since that weekend:
Indiana has been beyond the Sweet 16 exactly ONCE in 26 seasons. The program has been on probation. IU has missed seven of the last 11 NCAA tournaments. An entire generation has grown up with no inkling the Hoosiers were ever elite.
Kentucky has been to EIGHT Final Fours, FIFTEEN ELITE EIGHTS, won THREE CHAMPIONSHIPS, and has firmly cemented itself as the Greatest Program of All Time.
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Very nicely stated and relayed. growing up in the 70s, IU is the team I loathed the most.
I use to love the IU/UK rivalry. Those games in the Hoosier/RCA Dome were awesome. I especially loved the 4 years run of the Big 4 Classic with IU, UK, UL and ND. For those too young to remember, here were the crowds in Indy in the late 80's and 90's:
1987 - 43,600 (Big 4 Classic)
1989 - 40,100 (Big 4 Classic)
1991 - 34,700
1993 - 38,200
1995 - 41,000
1997 - 38,500
1999 - 37,000
Here are the introductions for the game in 1987 to give you a taste of how big the crowd was:
1987 - 43,600 (Big 4 Classic)
1989 - 40,100 (Big 4 Classic)
1991 - 34,700
1993 - 38,200
1995 - 41,000
1997 - 38,500
1999 - 37,000
Here are the introductions for the game in 1987 to give you a taste of how big the crowd was:
Really, one the most miserable fan bases in America.
48 years old here, and in the 80's & 90's, I wanted to beat them more or as much as I ever wanted to beat Louisville.
Was actually talking about this the other day. I've been attending sporting events all my life and have never seen as much garbage as I have attending Kentucky - Indiana basketball games. None of the stuff in Bloomington surprised me at all when I heard about it.
I witnessed it myself at Freedom Hall several times and in the RCA Dome. And at least once when we went up to Bloomington and watched Jared Lorenzon throw all over them one Saturday evening. Thought I was gonna have to fight my way out. Oh by the way, it's not just the "young" IU fans, the seniors are just as bad. Never understood it.
Drove overnight to Des Moines for the NCAA Tournament (Sorry to mention). It was the first time my teenaged son got to experience them live and in person. I warned him on the way down, but he didn't beleive me. They were just as I had advertized.
It was fun when they mattered, but I would just as soon see their miserable fan base suffer for eternity.
48 years old here, and in the 80's & 90's, I wanted to beat them more or as much as I ever wanted to beat Louisville.
Was actually talking about this the other day. I've been attending sporting events all my life and have never seen as much garbage as I have attending Kentucky - Indiana basketball games. None of the stuff in Bloomington surprised me at all when I heard about it.
I witnessed it myself at Freedom Hall several times and in the RCA Dome. And at least once when we went up to Bloomington and watched Jared Lorenzon throw all over them one Saturday evening. Thought I was gonna have to fight my way out. Oh by the way, it's not just the "young" IU fans, the seniors are just as bad. Never understood it.
Drove overnight to Des Moines for the NCAA Tournament (Sorry to mention). It was the first time my teenaged son got to experience them live and in person. I warned him on the way down, but he didn't beleive me. They were just as I had advertized.
It was fun when they mattered, but I would just as soon see their miserable fan base suffer for eternity.
The "slap". That's all a true UK fan needs to know about Bobbie Knight. I would have punched that fat ****, but Joe B. Hall did something better. He cut the heart out of IU basketball. They've been our ***** ever since, and as long as one of us remembers the slap, karma will make sure it stays that way.
UK assistant Lynn Nance, a former FBI guy, was moving to go after Knight.
Courtesy of http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/19741207Indiana.html
Two numbers: 765 and 636. The first is Kentucky’s all time winning percentage and the second is Indiana’s. Wow
Also, remember when Cream lost TWENTY games three years in a row?! I don’t care how much rebuilding there is, twenty losses is bad...to say nothing of three years in a row.
Also, remember when Cream lost TWENTY games three years in a row?! I don’t care how much rebuilding there is, twenty losses is bad...to say nothing of three years in a row.
Still trying to figure out why anyone thought Archie was a good hire. Didn’t understand it then and don’t now.
Same thing with Mack at UL. It’s like whoever someone hires this board thinks it’s a good hire.
We’re going through it again with Muss at Ark.
Just don’t get it.
While the Hoosiers get no sympathy from me, if they really want to pull themselves out of their decades-long, purgatory hole that spans halfway to China, their administration needs to look themselves in the mirror and decide what their program really is in eyes of everyone that doesn’t reside in Bloomington, IN.
Their #1 issue is they don’t recruit like a program their size should. They should have a massive recruiting budget and plenty of money to throw at good assistants to do the leg work, yet they’ve had little results to show for it. Archie Miller can’t seem to get anyone to play for them this year. That’s a BIG issue.
But why? Well, for one, they don’t seem to realize that the year 1952 has come and gone. Their branding, style, look, whatever you want to call it has zero swag. They perpetually play in retro styled jerseys that should be reserved for one game a year. This works in football but not in basketball. There isn’t a single top basketball program that maintains a retro look. I’m sure the older fans will dismiss this as trivial, but I’m telling you it is not. The culture of basketball worships the modern aesthetics and it’s as important as ever to stay on top of it. No names on the jerseys, candy striped warmups, old cursive lettering - kids see this stuff. When you’re recruiting kids who are now born in the 2000s and have little to no knowledge of IU’s history, their style just isn’t going to wow them.
But to me, their biggest issue is an administration that hasn’t made it a priority to make a big splash coaching hire and propped the program up year after year as ‘good enough’. It’s crazy really, look at what Memphis did when they hired Penny H., look at what Michigan did in their coaching hire, look at how Duke embraced OAD, look at how UK embraced OAD with the arrival of Cal.. at some point you have to get a coach that you know can recruit and embrace the pursuit of the top players in the country. A lot of the vocal IU fans will say they don’t want to sell their program out to ‘OAD mercenaries’.. well ok, but I would think it’s not wise to shut yourself out from the top talent in the nation. Now to be clear, I think those same fans are lying to themselves and would gladly take any 5 star that wants to sign - let’s be real, they were kissing Romeo Langford’s a$$ to get him to commit (I know Hoosiers, he’s an Indiana boy and OAD doesn’t count when he lives in the state) - but the venom spewed by their fanbase when OAD is brought up certainly can’t help. They say they want 4-year players but as we’ve discussed on here, having lesser talented upper classmen does not make it more likely that you advance any further in the tournament when you take into consideration only a couple of programs truly have a OAD model.
Simply put, their administration again needs to stop fooling themselves that the IU brand still has the pulling power of years past and 1.) stop making lukewarm coaching hires and get someone that can relate to top recruits and 2.) embrace the glitz and glamour (notice I didn’t say cheating) of recruiting that the other top programs have done. It seems some Hoosiers want to keep their ‘prestige’ (whatever that may be) of how college basketball was played in the past but still expect to win big - no gimmicks, no OADs, etc. My question is, if you’re not going to do everything you can within the rules to win, why even have a program at all?
With all that being said, keep it up Hoosiers, you’ve never really mattered in my lifetime and I’m just fine with it staying that way!!
Their #1 issue is they don’t recruit like a program their size should. They should have a massive recruiting budget and plenty of money to throw at good assistants to do the leg work, yet they’ve had little results to show for it. Archie Miller can’t seem to get anyone to play for them this year. That’s a BIG issue.
But why? Well, for one, they don’t seem to realize that the year 1952 has come and gone. Their branding, style, look, whatever you want to call it has zero swag. They perpetually play in retro styled jerseys that should be reserved for one game a year. This works in football but not in basketball. There isn’t a single top basketball program that maintains a retro look. I’m sure the older fans will dismiss this as trivial, but I’m telling you it is not. The culture of basketball worships the modern aesthetics and it’s as important as ever to stay on top of it. No names on the jerseys, candy striped warmups, old cursive lettering - kids see this stuff. When you’re recruiting kids who are now born in the 2000s and have little to no knowledge of IU’s history, their style just isn’t going to wow them.
But to me, their biggest issue is an administration that hasn’t made it a priority to make a big splash coaching hire and propped the program up year after year as ‘good enough’. It’s crazy really, look at what Memphis did when they hired Penny H., look at what Michigan did in their coaching hire, look at how Duke embraced OAD, look at how UK embraced OAD with the arrival of Cal.. at some point you have to get a coach that you know can recruit and embrace the pursuit of the top players in the country. A lot of the vocal IU fans will say they don’t want to sell their program out to ‘OAD mercenaries’.. well ok, but I would think it’s not wise to shut yourself out from the top talent in the nation. Now to be clear, I think those same fans are lying to themselves and would gladly take any 5 star that wants to sign - let’s be real, they were kissing Romeo Langford’s a$$ to get him to commit (I know Hoosiers, he’s an Indiana boy and OAD doesn’t count when he lives in the state) - but the venom spewed by their fanbase when OAD is brought up certainly can’t help. They say they want 4-year players but as we’ve discussed on here, having lesser talented upper classmen does not make it more likely that you advance any further in the tournament when you take into consideration only a couple of programs truly have a OAD model.
Simply put, their administration again needs to stop fooling themselves that the IU brand still has the pulling power of years past and 1.) stop making lukewarm coaching hires and get someone that can relate to top recruits and 2.) embrace the glitz and glamour (notice I didn’t say cheating) of recruiting that the other top programs have done. It seems some Hoosiers want to keep their ‘prestige’ (whatever that may be) of how college basketball was played in the past but still expect to win big - no gimmicks, no OADs, etc. My question is, if you’re not going to do everything you can within the rules to win, why even have a program at all?
With all that being said, keep it up Hoosiers, you’ve never really mattered in my lifetime and I’m just fine with it staying that way!!
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Their last championship was 1987. I was born in the Fall of that year.
They've seen 2 final 4's in my life-time. I think the 2002, I was in the 8th grade.
They've been highly ranked since Cal's been here. They're just not a juggernaut, and probably won't be again.
They've seen 2 final 4's in my life-time. I think the 2002, I was in the 8th grade.
They've been highly ranked since Cal's been here. They're just not a juggernaut, and probably won't be again.
