Art Briles says he'll coach in '17............... Enquiring minds want to know... Sounds about right. 2+2 still = 4
Doc on the 'hot seat'?
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Marshall is two more "flagship" seasons away from being a soup kitchen.
I am really suprised that Doc hasn't ended up at an AAC school by now(abandon ship).
He must genuinely impress nobody.
I am really suprised that Doc hasn't ended up at an AAC school by now(abandon ship).
He must genuinely impress nobody.
Doc is not going anywhere and Marshall doesn't want to get rid of him. They know they'll have an impossible mission of getting a decent head coach to come there. Who would want to come to a school that is in the dying CUSA, having financial hardships and has a joke of an AD?
No, we wouldn't. You don't have to worry about that. I don't think you have to worry about him going anywhere. Losing to Ohio U and Middle Tennessee a couple years in a row isn't impressive on a resume.
Someone may grab him for his recruiting ability but not his head coaching "ability".
I have never once heard a WVU fan say that Saban was coming here to coach. I have WISHED that he would. I also want to be able to run on the beach into my own arms.... that won't happen either.
I, personally, would be pissed if Doc was our HC. I might not be the biggest Dana fan, but Doc is 0-2 vs Dana with a forfeit. Doc has yet to prove he can do anything outside of prop heavy, lowest level of competition CUSA.
Doc is where he is at, because Marshall is the only school that would take him. Marshall is a mid-level G-5 team playing in a FCS-like conference.
The Herd plays a bunch of nobodies, racks up wins over very weak teams and its fans think Doc is the next Vince Lombardi.
Doc is in his perfect situation. Good recruiter, below average coach and beating very weak teams with talent that can't make it in the P5. Mostly because of grades or off-the-field issues. Mountaineer fans can thank their lucky stars, he isn't the head man at WVU. He's not a good coach and that's why no major schools are coming after him. Doc can pull the wool over the eyes of Marshall fans, (not a difficult task, because they're blinded with rage over WVU) but those who watch and at least know the basics about football, won't fall for it.
Doc is where he belongs and that's the only place he can be.
He was hired at Marshall to do the one thing he failed to do and that was to beat WVU.
I wouldn't want him as a coach at WVU, if he agreed to coach for free. I don't hate the guy and I wish him the best....but he wouldn't cut it in the AAC, let alone a P5 school.
The Herd plays a bunch of nobodies, racks up wins over very weak teams and its fans think Doc is the next Vince Lombardi.
Doc is in his perfect situation. Good recruiter, below average coach and beating very weak teams with talent that can't make it in the P5. Mostly because of grades or off-the-field issues. Mountaineer fans can thank their lucky stars, he isn't the head man at WVU. He's not a good coach and that's why no major schools are coming after him. Doc can pull the wool over the eyes of Marshall fans, (not a difficult task, because they're blinded with rage over WVU) but those who watch and at least know the basics about football, won't fall for it.
Doc is where he belongs and that's the only place he can be.
He was hired at Marshall to do the one thing he failed to do and that was to beat WVU.
I wouldn't want him as a coach at WVU, if he agreed to coach for free. I don't hate the guy and I wish him the best....but he wouldn't cut it in the AAC, let alone a P5 school.
Like a broken record, 30Stalker chimes in with the same thing that I have never disputed. One more time, for my stalker.
I got that info from a typically good source, on this site and I ran with it. The info was wrong. I made a mistake running with unconfirmed info.
That must make you tingle all over, because you sure like to post it.
Want to compare predictions between Marshall fans and WVU fans?
Lol!!!!
I didn't think so, 30Stalker.
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LOL....Tony, my point was, Marshall is about the only school that would touch that leper.
Doc is doing just fine where he is. Why would he ever leave? Marshall people think he's another Nick Saban. He's making more money than he will ever make anywhere else. He doesn't have to recruit against P5's, all he's got to do is look for the most talented non-qualifiers that are willing to play in a weak conference. All he has to do to ride his job to retirement is keep winning more than he loses against one of the weakest schedules in all of Div. 1. If other programs thought as highly of him as the Herdiots do a higher profile program would have taken him away already. Doc knows when he's got it made. He isn't wanted by any high profile program and he knows it. He's going to be the HC at Marshall until he gets old enough to draw his SS check. Count on it.
I don't think Doc is a great game day coach, but that doesn't mean he's not a good head coach. Actual coaching is not at the top of the list of what a good head coach does. The number 1 thing on the list is recruiting, not players, but other coaches. He screwed up royally with hiring Chris Rippon as DC and hung on to him too long. Cost him what should have been a good 2012 season. However, getting Chuck Heater here was a big win and holding on to him is a bigger win.
The number 2 thing is creating the right culture, which Doc does very well. Every player sounds like a Doc parrot, which means they believe in what he's selling.
The 3rd is player recruitment, which Doc does very well. He's had the top recruiting class in the conference the last 4 years.
I am happy with Doc. He's shown progress and is 33-8 in the last three years. Three of those 8 losses were in overtime, two in triple overtime, both of which we had a short FG to win and the kicker missed (VT and MTSU), 2 other losses were by 2 and 3 points, one on the last play of the game. We've only lost by more than 3 points in regulation three times in three years. We are competitive every time we take the field and given a few small breaks could have been 38-3 in the last three seasons. He has beaten an ACC school, a Big Ten school and Louisville when they were the BE "co-champs". He's 4-0 in bowls. So all in all, not too bad.
The number 2 thing is creating the right culture, which Doc does very well. Every player sounds like a Doc parrot, which means they believe in what he's selling.
The 3rd is player recruitment, which Doc does very well. He's had the top recruiting class in the conference the last 4 years.
I am happy with Doc. He's shown progress and is 33-8 in the last three years. Three of those 8 losses were in overtime, two in triple overtime, both of which we had a short FG to win and the kicker missed (VT and MTSU), 2 other losses were by 2 and 3 points, one on the last play of the game. We've only lost by more than 3 points in regulation three times in three years. We are competitive every time we take the field and given a few small breaks could have been 38-3 in the last three seasons. He has beaten an ACC school, a Big Ten school and Louisville when they were the BE "co-champs". He's 4-0 in bowls. So all in all, not too bad.
Against weakness. Lots of average to below average coaches could very well look just as good, when playing nobodies with triple-digit ranked schedules.
Yet not a single win inside the top 65 last year. MVU lost to both teams ranked inside the top 65 by double digits and lost to the #75 team. I really think you guys are in denial about how bad your schedule has been.
Kitty, 28 FBS schools, at least, played a schedule ranked outside of the top 100. How many of those teams/coaches won 10 games? With what you are saying I would imagine that number must be at least 12 or 14 right? I mean a lot of average to below average coaches could win with that easy of a schedule, right?
WVU turned him down twice, his own Alma Mater, after decades as an assistant. That's a huge red flag to other schools about him. If he was good, he would have made the move up a couple of seasons ago. However he's seen as leading a team that's small fish in a very shallow pond. It's not good for career advancement.
I've known the guy essentially my entire life, there are good reasons Johnny ended up at the level he did as an HC. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with his attitude. Always has, always will.
I've known the guy essentially my entire life, there are good reasons Johnny ended up at the level he did as an HC. He rubs a lot of people the wrong way with his attitude. Always has, always will.
Again, Doc is a good recruiter. He wins with talent and weak schedules. He couldn't win on talent alone, with a decent schedule. WVU would be worse off with him, right now. I'm thrilled WVU didn't hire him.....as head coach. Would love to have him back recruiting.
If you're thrilled with Dana AlcoHolgorsen then you're even more delusional than I thought.
It amazes me the amount of reasoning that comes out of eer fans. Doc rubs people the wrong way, yet you have a coach that is bad with the media and donors, hates dealing with both.
Doc wins because he has better talent than his competition? Got bad news for you, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer also win because they have better talent than other teams on their schedule. The coach is the one that gets the talent there. You guys can't win the Big 12 because you don't, and never will, have the talent to do it. Nick Saban couldn't win the Big 12 with the players you have on your roster. Now, once he was there, and brought in more talented players who would come because of him, not because you're wvu, he could win it.
Doc wins because he has better talent than his competition? Got bad news for you, Nick Saban and Urban Meyer also win because they have better talent than other teams on their schedule. The coach is the one that gets the talent there. You guys can't win the Big 12 because you don't, and never will, have the talent to do it. Nick Saban couldn't win the Big 12 with the players you have on your roster. Now, once he was there, and brought in more talented players who would come because of him, not because you're wvu, he could win it.
The exception proves the rule. As I said in another post about head coaches, it's:
1. staff
2. culture
3. players
4. coaching ability
You have to have the first two for the third to be relevant. Mack Brown let Texas run into the gutter despite the talent. He got soft, his staff got lazy in recruiting by relying on the services instead of their own evaluation, and the winning culture evaporated. Strong will have them much better this year in year 3. It takes awhile to turn it around.
1. staff
2. culture
3. players
4. coaching ability
You have to have the first two for the third to be relevant. Mack Brown let Texas run into the gutter despite the talent. He got soft, his staff got lazy in recruiting by relying on the services instead of their own evaluation, and the winning culture evaporated. Strong will have them much better this year in year 3. It takes awhile to turn it around.
So now not only is Marshall the Notre Dame of the G5, the glue that holds CUSA together, the BYU of the East, and the next Boise State, but now Doc is the same caliber of coach as Nick Saban and Urban Meyer??????????? You should just go away banker, you look more foolish with each thought you share with us.
Your reading comprehension and ability to process examples and apply them in context is staggering.
I was simply pointing out that the fact a coach wins because he has a lot more talent than the other team is a hollow statement. Yes, if I have an AR-15 and you have a piece of paper, I like my odds in that fight. That ignores the fact that I was able to find and acquire the AR-15 and was smart enough to bring it while you came equipped with a piece of paper and thought it was the right call.
The example had nothing to do with comparing the coaches, it was comparing the situation. Do you agree or disagree that Urban Meyer consistently has the most talent in the Big 10? Do you agree that Nick Saban consistently has the most talent in the SEC? If you agree that they do, do you agree with Kitty that any average or above average coach can win when he has superior talent? If you do then you are calling Saban and Meyer nothing more than average to below average coaches. See, seems kind of like a stupid comment, doesn't it?
I don't know your education level, but try to work on it. I don't want to have to explain every post to you.
Now I don't know if I'm responding to Rock98Dog or banker6796............ . Looks like you exposed yourselves ole boys........not that there's anything wrong with having more identities than you can keep control of. Both of your multiple personalities bore me, especially since you exposed yourselves. Have fun looking at all your different looks in the fun house mirrors. Congrats on earning your way to my list of posters who have earned their way to my ignore list.
Ignore him? He starting to chase his tail. You'll miss out on getting him to jump through hoops! Jump, Tiny Dancer, Jump!
His sockpuppets are pretty easy to spot, they all have the same posting and writing styles and use the same few standard insults. His big mistake is giving all those likes to his other handles. It's one dupe handle liking the others post when he gets caught up. An easy tell.
Just another one trick pony. To ignore they go. It's going to be a lonely board with just Tony to have fun with. At least he's a nice guy.
His sockpuppets are pretty easy to spot, they all have the same posting and writing styles and use the same few standard insults. His big mistake is giving all those likes to his other handles. It's one dupe handle liking the others post when he gets caught up. An easy tell.
Just another one trick pony. To ignore they go. It's going to be a lonely board with just Tony to have fun with. At least he's a nice guy.
I think I got 'em all. He's like cockroaches, I tell you. You see one one his handles, you've got thousands more lurking in the shadows. Damned vermin!
(My apologies to all cockroaches and vermin. It was the only thing I could come up with that Slow Boy might understand.)
(My apologies to all cockroaches and vermin. It was the only thing I could come up with that Slow Boy might understand.)
I said average to BELOW averge coach and I specifically pointed to CUS1AA, a conference that should probably be competing in the FCS, for the most part.
Doc survives on talent. I'm not saying Marshall is full of P5-type talent, just talent that tops the FCS-type talent that most of CUS1AA teams have.
Doc would crash and burn in a better conference and that's why programs in the better conferences aren't going after him. They aren't fooled by racking up cherry wins like Herd fans are.
Nice to see things haven't changed around here. Cat is obviously still jelly about losing Doc to Marshall. Hurts, doesn't it kitty?
A new sockpuppet dragged out from the same old fool! How's it going, Twistarella?
You really need to quit using accounts created in 2007. It's a dead give away.
You really need to quit using accounts created in 2007. It's a dead give away.
Yes. Sucks WVU lost a good recruiter. If the only option to keep him was to make him the head coach, then I say good riddance. Never have and never will want him as head coach.