Everyone said that we were the best this season in transition.
Wheeler pushed that pace.
Wheeler pushed that pace.
Do not let Wheeler return next year.
- Thread starter RunninRichie
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Exactly correct. And even when he didn't he beat his man off of the drive and either scored, lobbed or dished. What changed late in the year that turned him into a spaz?
Maybe planting two guys on the block. Maybe slowing down every possession. Maybe defenses sagging our shooters. Maybe all of it. Either way, he looks like a typical Cal late season guard to me.
Trouble is it would often be a turnover or running into the trees and getting it blocked.To be that size he really needs to at least be good at shooting but well he's not.
Agree.At that size you have to make up for it with good 3 point shooting and leadership like Tyler Ulis had.
Assists/TO in season under Cal:
1. Ulis - 246/69 (3.6 AST/TO) (2016)
2. Ulis - 135/38 (3.55 AST/TO) (2015)
3. Washington - 120/51 (2.35 AST/TO)
4. Wheeler - 207/91 (2.27 AST/TO)
5. An. Harrison - 139 (2.17 AST/TO) (2015)
6. Gilgeous-Alexander - 189/99 (1.91 AST/TO)
7. Fox - 165/87 (1.90 AST/TO)
8. Hagans - 191/103 (1.85 AST/TO) (2020)
9. Teague - 191/109 (1.75 AST/TO)
10. Briscoe - 152/89 (1.71 AST/TO) (2017)
11. Hagans - 160/94 (1.70 AST/TO) (2019)
12. Wall - 241/149 (1.62 AST/TO)
13. Briscoe - 107/66 (1.62 AST/TO) (2016)
14. An. Harrison - 159/109 (1.46 AST/TO) (2014)
15. Knight - 159/120 (1.33 AST/TO)
16. Bledsoe - 106/111 (0.95 AST/TO)
One noteworthy stat from this data is that every one of those who returned increased their ASST/TO ratio the following season. That is with the uptick in opportunities to commit turnovers having the ball in their hands more often than their Freshmen year. If Wheeler and Washington were to return, there is no reason to think that would not happen for them.
1. Ulis - 246/69 (3.6 AST/TO) (2016)
2. Ulis - 135/38 (3.55 AST/TO) (2015)
3. Washington - 120/51 (2.35 AST/TO)
4. Wheeler - 207/91 (2.27 AST/TO)
5. An. Harrison - 139 (2.17 AST/TO) (2015)
6. Gilgeous-Alexander - 189/99 (1.91 AST/TO)
7. Fox - 165/87 (1.90 AST/TO)
8. Hagans - 191/103 (1.85 AST/TO) (2020)
9. Teague - 191/109 (1.75 AST/TO)
10. Briscoe - 152/89 (1.71 AST/TO) (2017)
11. Hagans - 160/94 (1.70 AST/TO) (2019)
12. Wall - 241/149 (1.62 AST/TO)
13. Briscoe - 107/66 (1.62 AST/TO) (2016)
14. An. Harrison - 159/109 (1.46 AST/TO) (2014)
15. Knight - 159/120 (1.33 AST/TO)
16. Bledsoe - 106/111 (0.95 AST/TO)
One noteworthy stat from this data is that every one of those who returned increased their ASST/TO ratio the following season. That is with the uptick in opportunities to commit turnovers having the ball in their hands more often than their Freshmen year. If Wheeler and Washington were to return, there is no reason to think that would not happen for them.
Back to back years where we’d rather a point guard not come back, for the betterment of the team. What happened to Cal the PG whisperer? He’s falling fast and hard.
All that to say, I'd take Wheeler and Washington (or one or the other) back in a heartbeat.
He had 207 assists on the year, good for third in the nation. He had 91 turnovers. That's better than a 2:1 ratio. He does play out of control at times and his long range shots were starting to fall in the last few games (while everyone else fell off the map). If Wheeler wants to come back I'd love to have a senior PG on the floor who can distribute the ball better than most in the country.
Duke: 10/7 (1.42 AST/TO)
ND: 2/2 (1.00 AST/TO)
LSU: Only played 4 min.
Auburn: 4/1 (4.00 AST/TO)
UT: 5/3 (1.67 AST/TO)
Ark: 5/3 (1.67 AST/TO)
UT: 3/1 (3.00 AST/TO)
St. Pete: 6/6 (1.00 AST/TO)
Watching UK eat up shot clock forcing the ball into the post as the rest of the team just stood around was ridiculous.
The team never played as well once Cal slowed the tempo. I'm finally of the opinion that he just doesn't understand modern basketball or he refuses to change with the times. B Knight was successful until he wasn't.
And yet, we had the 5th most efficient offense in college basketball this season.
Not at the end of the season we didn't.It started to go downhill after the Kansas game and out guards fell apart.
I would have to look it up again but I think in 10 of the 12 games after that UK scored in the 70's or 60's.
TyTy can handle NBA at the PG .. just not SEC level... LOL Its laughable , we should have rolled with TW at the PG all damn year
I'm disappointed with people on Wheeler's case. He was a refreshing change to our team and made some great passes as a point guard. Plus in some games he was a lot of the offense.
It certainly appears the "tweak" and a lot of coaching was Oscar has to touch the ball. So, you blame Wheeler when he is following the coach's directive and no adjustment is made when teams packed inside? In fact, Wheeler was about the only one other than Oscar who was scoring near the end of the game that built the lead against S.P.
I definitely want him back.
It doesnt matter in the larger scheme .. Cal cant coach any offense . Doesnt matter who is there
I am not the biggest Wheeler fan, but lets be real if Grady doesn't go ice cold from three than Wheeler suddenly looks a lot better and has a lot more assists.
Nah actually filtering it out from 2/15 to the end it was still 7th.
It was the defense that completely fell apart 186th.
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On Bartovik which allows me to filter results.
UK Overall: 6th off/42nd def (which differs a tiny bit from 5/35 on Kenpom)
From Feb 1st onward 7th/96th
From Feb 15th onward 7th/186th
It was crystal clear where we fell off but for some reason everyone wants to focus on offense.
UK Overall: 6th off/42nd def (which differs a tiny bit from 5/35 on Kenpom)
From Feb 1st onward 7th/96th
From Feb 15th onward 7th/186th
It was crystal clear where we fell off but for some reason everyone wants to focus on offense.
Because of what happened to our guards.They fell off a bridge.Our offense really suffered.
Did you see the thread about our stats in the last 5 minutes of games?Brutal.
More often than not, Brooks or Toppin was outside, so only Oscar on the block. Extra defenders were inside because those 2 nor Wheeler were a threat from 20'. And the slowing down came from, well I don't think intentional slowing down, but rather from us not having any set plays, so it's just the guys going thru the same motion every time and the defenses recognizing that making it harder and longer as the season goes on for our guys to get open looks.
What changed is defenses stopped guarding him outside. Surprised it took them that long to figure it out. Also surprised they didn't stay on his left hip forcing him to go right.
That’s a bit extreme Richie. Wheeler is good enough but we need one a tad better so Wheeler could be the capable backup.
Emotions were running high when I made this post. He would be a great backup PG. The question is, will he be happy in that role?
Yeah but it was the defense that fell off the cliff, not the offense.
People pointed this out when it was happening too. It's just that most assumed it was because Tyty and Wheeler were missing and that once we went back to full health, we'd be fine.
Unforunately, we weren't
My question is what would his assist to turnover ratio be if people were hitting shots after he passed it to them
You have to factor in wheelers awful shooting as turnovers bud. He needs to move along. You can’t be 5’9” and only attribute to pass the ball. No one will defend you in the half court that’s what happened. Teams decided to sprint back and make wheeler beat them in the half court. He couldn’t and that’s the end of that experiment. Your pg needs to be able to operate in transition and in the half court. Wheeler can’t. That’s why we lost 2 games in a row to end the season. Both teams forced wheeler into the half court bam done we went home. Wheelers stats are meaningless bc he cannot shoot and ran up his Asst to turnover against crap teams. 8 times he had terrible games and all 8 we lost. One of many cal failures
Honestly it was both the defense and the guards.Actually Oscar was the only guy we could count on the whole season.
Not buying it. The last 1/4 of the season we had massive scoring droughts in our losses. Stats don’t always paint an accurate picture. Also those wanting wheeler back go and look at the wild shots like he took at the end of the game against peters. Wheeler chokes our offense in the half court. He can’t run it hell UGA fans came on here and said they would never take him back open your eyes.
I don't know what's out there in the transfer portal for point guards but I feel like we could find another point guard better than wheeler. We need a point guard that can shoot. We need a point guard that can guard everybody.
And most of all we need a point guard that doesn't get the yips and misses free throws when we're trying to win a tournament. GTFO. GTFO.
Wheeler should only stay as a backup point guard. Thats it. Especially if we lose Oscar I do not want to see wheeler without oscar
And most of all we need a point guard that doesn't get the yips and misses free throws when we're trying to win a tournament. GTFO. GTFO.
Wheeler should only stay as a backup point guard. Thats it. Especially if we lose Oscar I do not want to see wheeler without oscar
I mean there's really nothing to buy. Efficiency numbers are just points per game adjusted on a per possession basis. If we scored 1.2 points per poss, we scored 1.2 points per poss.
If someone says hey in the last 10 games or so Team A scored 85 points per game, it's hard to say that the offense was bad.
I mean yeah sure our offense was better in transition than in the half court but the same can be said for a ton of teams that like to run.
I just don't know why everyone harps on the offense when the defense was the culprit at the end.
This is the most defeatist mentality. Like I get its bad but he orchestrated a very well running offense that fell apart down the stretch. He was the one that pushed the tempo and the unfortunate reality is that style of play leads to turnovers. When it works it looks great, but when it doesn't work it looks ugly.
Just like in the game threads someone will say the refs sucks and others will say it's not the refs the team sucks.Both can be true at the same time.The defense was bad down the stretch and the offense with our guards struggled.This team really regressed in every way.
Nobody is saying the defense was good. But if you couldn’t tell by watching the games that our offense sucked ***, idk what to tell you. Are you serious? The numbers??? Open your eyes man.
Sure many things could be true at the same time.
I'm just saying the numbers indicate the offense wasn't nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.
It didn't "look" good. But that's cause we ran an offense that doesn't look good in the half court. Our half court offense normally consists of a miss, an Oscar rebound and a putback. So it makes sense people would say it doesn't look good. I'm just merely pointing out we still put points on the board on a per possession basis. Which is really IMO the only thing that matters.
The defense was AWFUL tho.
Yeah, ‘retarded’ is not acceptable and if you have a measurable IQ you don’t go there.