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RUInsanityToo

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Name a positive development after the season ended, please.

I suspect our definition of "positive" will be different.

But I'll play - my answer is I don't know for sure. Getting a commitment or missing on one is neither positive nor negative until we actually see that player on the court/field and how they might perform. If they're great, then yes a positive. If they stink it up, eat up minutes that could be used to develop other players or turn out to be a bad egg.....then a negative.

Here's some examples - Sitkowski was a positive, until he wasn't.

Matthis was a positive, until many fans on this very board turned on him this season due to uneven performance and he was a negative to them. But then - some of those same people viewed his leaving as a negative to Pike and the program. Hence a double standard.

There's a reason for the saying "Patience is a virtue"
 

RUInsanityToo

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But unlike Wimsatt, there has been ZERO buzz about anyone of note committing. Just because you say we are fools/etc does not mean we are wrong. Cough up names of people we have a good chance with if you believe there’s some kind of silent/equal commit.
And I state that if we end up with equivalent talent or better of anyone who left I will eat the biggest slice of crow pie there is. But it’s not looking good thus far.

Rutgers football season ended in Mid-December. The 2021 Recruiting class is ranked 41st Nationally and 9th in the BIG. They had over 11 Transfers out to the Portal and 4 in as well as 2 decommits in the 21/22 classes. Wimsatt verballed on April 9 - roughly 5 months after the football season ended. The positive flow of recruits started happening in February - roughly 2.5 - 3 months after the season.

As I've stated - we are only one month into the offseason in basketball.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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I am not wrong until empirically proven otherwise.

You are wrong.....because there is no deadline to prove anything. You have decided in a warped mind, that if something is not raced to completion, that it is correct or better.....

There is no evidence that players hitting the portal this week are not as good as those 2 or 3 weeks ago.

There is also no evidence that states that because something isn't reported, that nothing is being looked at.

Fans only base recruiting success on what players you are hearing about or told to pay attention to. There honestly isn't enough manpower to determine with 1500 kids in the portal, which ones are more important than another. There's no official visits or kids arriving on campus anywhere, and it's only based on reports on here, elsewhere or on Twitter, from 2nd or 3rd hand sources.

And I am watching ALL B1G teams and there is nothing drastically different that is solved in mid April, that impacts your roster in November. There is no evidence other than you making some declaration that the players coming in, will not be better than whoever left.....

How are your determining that.....???....by PPG.....By HS ranking.....By the program the player is coming from......by how many other schools are recruiting him???

We have Cliff to replace Myles.....we now need to replace Cliffs 1st year production....I feel certain that by the middle of next year, Cliff, injury-free of course, will be very much a factor on both ends of the floor.

We have Jaden Jones to replace Jacob Young.....not an easy item to ask a true frosh to replace a 5th year senior by himself, but confident Jones plus the remaining guards can make up the scoring difference, minus Youngs 3 turnovers a game and shoot first mentality.

We need to replace our slumping and since transferred Montez Mathis, who had big games and big moments.....But also who went 1 for his last 20 from 3 point range in the last month and a half, before hitting 2 for 2 vs Houston....he has the widest difference in PPG from home to away of anyone on the roster. He was a factor at home, but wildly inconsistent to not a factor on the road.

Mathis at Home (10.3 PPG at the RAC)

Mathis on road 5.9 PPG away

Mathis shot 35.6% from 3 point range at home

Mathis shot 16.7% from 3 away from the RAC....

And then we have Doucoure, who could have been a valuable backup for Cliff, but had not panned out and graduated.

I am VERY, VERY confident that these gaps in the roster will be closed by the existing roster and newcomers.....and the goal is to be more consistent. And again, there is no BS deadline that says something has to be done by this date or that date....
 
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AshCatchEm

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You are wrong.....because there is no deadline to prove anything. You have decided in a warped mind, that if something is not raced to completion, that it is correct or better.....

There is no evidence that players hitting the portal this week are not as good as those 2 or 3 weeks ago.

There is also no evidence that states that because something isn't reported, that nothing is being looked at.

Fans only base recruiting success on what players you are hearing about or told to pay attention to. There honestly isn't enough manpower to determine with 1500 kids in the portal, which ones are more important than another. There's no official visits or kids arriving on campus anywhere, and it's only based on reports on here, elsewhere or on Twitter, from 2nd or 3rd hand sources.

And I am watching ALL B1G teams and there is nothing drastically different that is solved in mid April, that impacts your roster in November. There is no evidence other than you making some declaration that the players coming in, will not be better than whoever left.....

How are your determining that.....???....by PPG.....By HS ranking.....By the program the player is coming from......by how many other schools are recruiting him???

We have Cliff to replace Myles.....we now need to replace Cliffs 1st year production....I feel certain that by the middle of next year, Cliff, injury-free of course, will be very much a factor on both ends of the floor.

We have Jaden Jones to replace Jacob Young.....not an easy item to ask a true frosh to replace a 5th year senior by himself, but confident Jones plus the remaining guards can make up the scoring difference, minus Youngs 3 turnovers a game and shoot first mentality.

We need to replace our slumping and since transferred Montez Mathis, who had big games and big moments.....But also who went 1 for his last 20 from 3 point range in the last month and a half, before hitting 2 for 2 vs Houston....he has the widest difference in PPG from home to away of anyone on the roster. He was a factor at home, but wildly inconsistent to not a factor on the road.

Mathis at Home (10.3 PPG at the RAC)

Mathis on road 5.9 PPG away

Mathis shot 35.6% from 3 point range at home

Mathis shot 16.7% from 3 away from the RAC....

And then we have Doucoure, who could have been a valuable backup for Cliff, but had not panned out and graduated.

I am VERY, VERY confident that these gaps in the roster will be closed by the existing roster and newcomers.....and the goal is to be more consistent. And again, there is no BS deadline that says something has to be done by this date or that date....
Man you are really underselling young. If jaden can provide even a quarter of the defensive effort young supplied, I will be shocked
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Man you are really underselling young. If jaden can provide even a quarter of the defensive effort young supplied, I will be shocked

Jones doesn’t replace JY by himself. We’ll have 3 returning backcourt players (assuming Geo comes back) who have improved defensively each year. Collectively with the addition of Jones and Miller (who scouts as a 2 way HS player) we’ll overcome the loss in the backcourt on defense.
 

17Q66

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But it did NOT go as expected. The guys we have targeted FIRST in the portal and reciprocated interest are NOT COMING. I understand the point about it ain’t over yet, but why then are our in state rivals and in conference rivals able to recruit out of the portal thus far? I mean we can get CJ Gettys type any time we want, but he won’t be a difference maker.
Can we at least agree that if Pike whiffs on Baker then we have a problem?
It's only a problem because Pike and his staff raised your expectations.