What if Baker is not plan #1 on the guard side and not a take for us? Point is, we don’t know the inner workings
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What if Baker is not plan #1 on the guard side and not a take for us? Point is, we don’t know the inner workings
Exactly.
This board has been talking about Pike needing to land Harrar where if you were informed you’d know the only team he was ever going to leave for was OSU. But because our fans wanted him, it’s a Pikiell miss.
You have to just accept the fact that recruiting is very complex. Great example recently on the football side. Wimsatt was secretly committed to the staff a month ago but recently everyone was getting restless saying Kentucky was gaining all the momentum.
Pikiell has raised the level of recruiting ten fold. He is in a bind right now and I can agree the start to this offseason has been rough. But the false narratives are a bit over done here. Let’s see what the roster looks like in a month.
Unfortunately you are wrong....Cliffs decision was made months before he committed......it just was not publicly disclosed by the player as much as it was reported. Wimsatt committed March 8th.....he publicly committed more than a month later.....please stop stressing or making up things that are not true.
If you want all 4*s, just say that, stand on that principle and complain until your blue in the face.....no one....not even Duke gets every player they want.....
What makes you either a troll or perhaps a drama queen is that you continue to generate false negativity and the harp on the same topic.
For instance you are basing some of your negativity and "doubts" on your own assumption that Cliff would not have come here without COVID....when you have no such inside knowledge.
Second, you are basing and perpetuating other negative assumptions about a 2021 Recruiting and transfer process that is not complete and only one month into the offseason.
Third, you are artificially creating an expectation of immediate recruiting impact based on recency bias of one tourney win in 30 years.
You're the one making stuff up. It was not decided in January. That is complete BS. He committed march 29.
So expecting a tournament appearance and getting over the hump to help recruiting is expecting too much. Got it. Now I'm a drama queen for having a discussion on the topic. Got it. I have to just be quiet and be happy with what we have going for us (which, quite frankly, really isn't a lot).
Low, low expectations for our program there. Very low. I'll be happy if they prove me wrong in recruiting but there is zero buzz right now. And our peers are landing legitimate transfers and recruits.
I dont tend to base my excitement or dissapointment without understanding the results. What matters to me is who ends up on the roster and how well they fit in and contribute....... not who choses not to come.
LOL. Keep thinking that you're a victim.
You come to this board to spread constant negativity and other posters are sick of it. It has nothing to do with high or low expectations. Heres a tip....no one likes chicken little types.
I am not the victim. Why don't you highlight the quote where I say I am. I am sharing my opinion. And I couldn't care less how it does or doesn't make you feel.
You really aren't offering a lot of basketball points here. Just a lot of comments vs me. Fantastic discussion. Truly riveting. Here's a newsflash. This is a message board discussing rutgers basketball and recruiting. Not every comment has to be positive. If you and others posters are sick of it, provide better counter-points. Since our second game of the tourney, not one positive development has occurred for our program. Not one.
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You really don't have the proper temperament or maturity required to have a serious conversation on any topic.
I'll pass
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Recruiting is not won/lost in 1 year. Kids are now recruited since 8/9th grade. So last year isn't landing us the junior/senior that has been recruited for 4 years by other schools with history of tourney visits. It will take consistently winning to recruit up anotherlevel.
This past year will pay dividends for the freshman/sophomore that sees us now as legit tourney option.
The last two sentences are true and I challenge anyone to name a truly positive development.
You are talking about 5 weeks right? We had some graduates move on and one kid that’s utterly replaceable. That happens in college basketball. Take a breath. Get some help. Good lord.
Seems like Geo will be back next year. That’s a positive.
I'd love to replace mathis with a transfer as good or better but I have my doubts it happens. And things shouldn't be like that.
One tournament appearance doesn't change 30 years of futility over night.
It’s also OK for me to say give it time. So much hinges on if Baker and Harper come back
I really think there is a portion of this fan base that has very little idea on how the college basketball recruiting really works
I’m just going to say rutgers has a head coach and a program that I would absolutely send my kid to play four years. I’m not saying their aren’t other programs that I would send my kid to...but there are an awful LOT of head coaches that I would say ...get lost.
And some of those great coaches that “have great Public reputations “....I would not let near my kid
Carefully on how you Judge things guys ...not all programs win the same way.
I’ll take how we are doing things
pike said one thing to Hobbs when he interview for the job
“you will be able to sleep well with me as your head coach “
lots of others ...may get more 4 and 5 star kids ...but I’ll take what we have and our chances every night out for how he coaches and conducts himself
I’m just going to say rutgers has a head coach and a program that I would absolutely send my kid to play four years. I’m not saying their aren’t other programs that I would send my kid to...but there are an awful LOT of head coaches that I would say ...get lost.
And some of those great coaches that “have great Public reputations “....I would not let near my kid
Carefully on how you Judge things guys ...not all programs win the same way.
I’ll take how we are doing things
pike said one thing to Hobbs when he interview for the job
“you will be able to sleep well with me as your head coach “
lots of others ...may get more 4 and 5 star kids ...but I’ll take what we have and our chances every night out for how he coaches and conducts himself
SEEMS like doesn’t count. Sorry - love your website and you write great articles, but that’s not a certainty.
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Realized I feel the same way after reading RU-Choppin's post - apologies as its just not worth it engaging you, I'll pass as well.
That's right, run away from the convo on the state of rutgers basketball because it makes you upset. Sounds about right. Meanwhile, I'll continue to share my thoughts and opinions as is.
Again, I'll ask you. Name one positive development for our team since the first ncaa tournament game vs clemson. So much for momentum.
The season ended on March 21 - roughly one month ago. We're all coming off a high of RU Basketball going to the tourney for the first time in forever. But perhaps taking a step back and for perspective might be in order. Prior to Pike - the state of the program was a mess. Under Pike the program has had a slow/steady build over the past 5 years based on a defensive first focus to the point of becoming good enough to be a mid level BIG team as well as a tourney team the past 2 seasons.
The recruiting of HS players in many cases is done years in advance. To expect things to change at the snap of a finger based on a Tourney appearance would seem improbable - especially with a program lead by a coach who is a "steady" foundational build type. Progression is generally not linear - there will be bumps in the road, but I like the way the program is headed from where it's been - so I'm not disappointed in this regard.
The "Portal" has become a significant newer development & challenge for every program and RU is not immune. It was certainly disappointing but not totally unexpected to lose players to this process - notably Myles, Young and Mathis. But this appears to be the new normal and from an overall perspective hard to tell if losing/adding players early or late in this process is better/worse, hoping that many of us fans will wait and see what happens before casting stones at Pike and the program.
Last post with you on this. Not running away - I come to this board for enjoyment and its just not enjoyable engaging someone like you. I've put my thoughts on RU Basketball out there with other posters if you care to read.
Gonna be a large portion of crow eaten by the silly posters on here with no idea of what they're talking about.....I enjoy the numb minds here that actually believe the commitment announcement date is the decision date.
And one would actually read the article just the other day on Gavin Wimsatt, who specifically stated that he committed on MARCH 8th and didn't announce formally on Twitter until over a month later......
Let me predict the response will be (
"That's not the same thing because it's football ").....LMAO
And one would actually read the article just the other day on Gavin Wimsatt, who specifically stated that he committed on MARCH 8th and didn't announce formally on Twitter until over a month later......
Let me predict the response will be (
"That's not the same thing because it's football ").....LMAO
Rutgers was recruiting a Juco that ended up at Iona with Rick the Slick. He was one of two prospects RU was following at the 5. Offer was pulled well over a month before CWiz announced. Believe Greg when he said they knew early. The one that burned was Lance Thomas. He verballed several weeks before the announcement day at Benedict’s. He changed his mind two hours before the scheduled announcement. John Hempel’s dad called Tom Young Sunday afternoon not to show up at Union Catholic on Monday. Hempel was allegedly bagged. Coach was fired the next year for creative recruiting the actual terminology was misuse of funding . Some kids verbal days before, some weeks before and some actually at the announcement. Some also change their minds the day of.
Then use the ignore function. It's a button. I'm sure you can figure it out. I am not forcing you to read what I say. That's a lot better an option than whining that I shouldnt have an opinion for a thread and a half.
Name a positive development after the season ended, please.
But unlike Wimsatt, there has been ZERO buzz about anyone of note committing. Just because you say we are fools/etc does not mean we are wrong. Cough up names of people we have a good chance with if you believe there’s some kind of silent/equal commit.
And I state that if we end up with equivalent talent or better of anyone who left I will eat the biggest slice of crow pie there is. But it’s not looking good thus far.
Actually you are wrong....it is not a race to finish the fastest.....prepare to eat crow
The topic is an arbitrary one of no relevance....what difference does it make if you get a transfer portal pick up on May 1st vs April 1st or April 15th....,??
How does that impact recruiting and next year....?? Do you get extra points for picking someone first??
The stupidity here is at all time levels.....if it was justified (which is isn't) fans can complain all they want.....2022 recruiting is ultimately ramping up for late summer and fall visits....not related to the transfer portal. But it is not isolated as one thing not connected to the other one.
We did not get a transfer on may 1 or April 1 or April 15. The point is that the top talent is currently flying off the board to our peers (shu, st john's, nebraska, etc) and the more time goes by, the less cream of the crop that's available to recruit. We SHOULD have momentum right now. We are hot off a ncaa tournament appearance. But we do not. And we are barely getting mention with any of these significant names.
Time is of the essence here. Let's not pretend it's not.
0 flunk outs
0 coaching scandals
0 players getting arrested
0 major freak injuries
No mass exodus
Earth hasn't opened up an swallowed the new practice facility
Implicitly all that stuff should be okay anyway.
So far there is a mass exodus until proven otherwise.