Differences in reporting from the right and left

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[MountaineerWV]

Wait, the same Matt Stone and Trey Parker that have spoken out about the school shootings and gun violence in the past?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Wait, the same Matt Stone and Trey Parker that have spoken out about the school shootings and gun violence in the past?

I understand that you have an inability to understand not Republicans look and think like your inbred family. Just try to keep an open mind that we are fairly diverse in our beliefs.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I understand that you have an inability to understand not Republicans look and think like your inbred family. Just try to keep an open mind that we are fairly diverse in our beliefs.

But we are a dying breed.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Sounds more agnostic to me, honestly. That’s where I am, and further I’m unwilling to grant authority of judgement for my actions to something higher.

You’re wrong on the last part. Clayton is he who is called I AM! He is Merica’!

Agnostic maybe. But I consider myself atheist because I don't think that there really is anything.

Regardless of terminology, those are my thoughts.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

But we are a dying breed.

You guys are the "old" republican guard. Reasoned and logical thought.

 

[Boomboom521]

This poster wasn't aware of it, but in this one post the whole attitude of the Left and Atheistic Socialism was honestly revealed. When you don't believe in the Authority of Almighty God over human affairs, you substitute human authority (ie: Government as a replacement) This post was quite revealing in both what Socialists believe and what happens when God's authority is rejected as a result.






Of course without a Godly standard, anything becomes a substitute. This is the heart of relativism. Truth is what one makes of it, not who Almighty God is. "I am the Truth, the way and the light, no Man comes to the Father but through me" John 14:6



This is a natural progression resulting from rejecting the Truth of almighty God and substituting it for situational relativism and secular Humanism.



Leftists classically do not believe in American exceptionalism. They reject the idea we are uniquely grounded in the realization that we are the first Nation in human history to recognize Almighty God as our primary authority and give him a place of preeminence over our Republic.



Again this nation came together after Prayer from the Founding Fathers who struggled to strike a balance between Religious Liberty, and recognizing Almighty God as our ultimate Authority. The document they produced after that Prayer was the greatest in Human history...the Declaration of Independence. From it grew our Constitution...unique in Human history... which has stood the test of time as to it's Wisdom, correctness, and decency as the standard for self governance and beacon of Freedom for all people.



This is true. Christ says there is only way to be judged:

When Jesus comes again He will have in His body the marks of crucifixion, and this will prove that the penalty for Sin has been paid in full. Our Lord reassures us by His own word: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shallnot come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24)

This is the only way we will be judged.



This in part is true, but there will be something else more important:
"The Bible teaches clearly that all men, both living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. Those who were dead, those who have died since or will have died, and the living must give account to Jesus Christ who is ready to judge all men"






This is not entirely True, but worth considering. The Bible says this:
“God hath appointed a day, in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead” (Acts 17:31). In this sense every judgment throne can be considered as the judgment seat of Christ, for, as the resurrected Son of God, He has been appointed by the Father to be the Judge of all.




Correct.
"The Bible is silent on details as to the exact location of the place of judgment. Whether in Heaven or in the air we cannot tell. However, one thing is certain, as Henry W. Frost has said: “A divine judgment need not take long.” It is absurd even to conceive of a problem of space when we think of the vast expanse in the heavens".




Again Correct. Religion cannot save you, nor will it be your source of judgement:
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ".




All Religions are an attempt of Man to reconcile himself to Almighty God. Christ is Almighty God's way of reconciling himself to Man.



Of course none of this makes any sense if you reject the very concept of a "Creator" or a "Savior". Which means you do not accept Sin, Salvation, or Evil itself. How could you? Man is all there is, and Man is good.

FYI...here is the entire article from which the information in this post was gleaned.

https://bible.org/seriespage/6-future-judgment-believer




Believers of course follow the opposite path. They understand by nature Man is fallen, that without God he can do nothing and is nothing. Socialist Atheism takes the exact opposite view. That Man is essentially good, and through his Government he can create a utopian society without need for a Savior, without Sin, and without the harshness of a demanding Creator.

This is the heart of the dispute between Right and Left. Humanism and believers. Right and Wrong. Good and Evil. Leftists don't believe the lines are this clearly drawn and they think believers are the problem because of their intransigence of Faith.

But people of Faith believe Atheists are the problem, relying on Government instead of Almighty God for provisions, World history shows that ultimately fails.

Officer Chubby Highbrow Knowitall of the belief police crackin heads and doing the truth investigation with all his extra time on his hands.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

This poster wasn't aware of it, but in this one post the whole attitude of the Left and Atheistic Socialism was honestly revealed. When you don't believe in the Authority of Almighty God over human affairs, you substitute human authority (ie: Government as a replacement) This post was quite revealing in both what Socialists believe and what happens when God's authority is rejected as a result.






Of course without a Godly standard, anything becomes a substitute. This is the heart of relativism. Truth is what one makes of it, not who Almighty God is. "I am the Truth, the way and the light, no Man comes to the Father but through me" John 14:6



This is a natural progression resulting from rejecting the Truth of almighty God and substituting it for situational relativism and secular Humanism.



Leftists classically do not believe in American exceptionalism. They reject the idea we are uniquely grounded in the realization that we are the first Nation in human history to recognize Almighty God as our primary authority and give him a place of preeminence over our Republic.



Again this nation came together after Prayer from the Founding Fathers who struggled to strike a balance between Religious Liberty, and recognizing Almighty God as our ultimate Authority. The document they produced after that Prayer was the greatest in Human history...the Declaration of Independence. From it grew our Constitution...unique in Human history... which has stood the test of time as to it's Wisdom, correctness, and decency as the standard for self governance and beacon of Freedom for all people.



This is true. Christ says there is only way to be judged:

When Jesus comes again He will have in His body the marks of crucifixion, and this will prove that the penalty for Sin has been paid in full. Our Lord reassures us by His own word: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shallnot come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24)

This is the only way we will be judged.



This in part is true, but there will be something else more important:
"The Bible teaches clearly that all men, both living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. Those who were dead, those who have died since or will have died, and the living must give account to Jesus Christ who is ready to judge all men"






This is not entirely True, but worth considering. The Bible says this:
“God hath appointed a day, in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead” (Acts 17:31). In this sense every judgment throne can be considered as the judgment seat of Christ, for, as the resurrected Son of God, He has been appointed by the Father to be the Judge of all.




Correct.
"The Bible is silent on details as to the exact location of the place of judgment. Whether in Heaven or in the air we cannot tell. However, one thing is certain, as Henry W. Frost has said: “A divine judgment need not take long.” It is absurd even to conceive of a problem of space when we think of the vast expanse in the heavens".




Again Correct. Religion cannot save you, nor will it be your source of judgement:
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ".




All Religions are an attempt of Man to reconcile himself to Almighty God. Christ is Almighty God's way of reconciling himself to Man.



Of course none of this makes any sense if you reject the very concept of a "Creator" or a "Savior". Which means you do not accept Sin, Salvation, or Evil itself. How could you? Man is all there is, and Man is good.

FYI...here is the entire article from which the information in this post was gleaned.

https://bible.org/seriespage/6-future-judgment-believer




Believers of course follow the opposite path. They understand by nature Man is fallen, that without God he can do nothing and is nothing. Socialist Atheism takes the exact opposite view. That Man is essentially good, and through his Government he can create a utopian society without need for a Savior, without Sin, and without the harshness of a demanding Creator.

This is the heart of the dispute between Right and Left. Humanism and believers. Right and Wrong. Good and Evil. Leftists don't believe the lines are this clearly drawn and they think believers are the problem because of their intransigence of Faith.

But people of Faith believe Atheists are the problem, relying on Government instead of Almighty God for provisions, World history shows that ultimately fails.

Offer irrefutable PROOF that anything you just said was factual.

You can't.

You can quote the bible all you want, but in the end, you have ZERO PROOF that it is a factual representation of anything at all.

That's why it's called faith and not fact.

So, even though you THINK I'm wrong, your thought that I'm wrong carries no more weight than my thought that you're wrong.

Give me irrefutable PROOF that the Bible is actually the truth and the word of God. Give me irrefutable PROOF that there is deity that created humans on Earth.

You absolutely CANNOT do that. All you can do is ask a bunch of questions and claim that it's proof. If there's not a God then how ____? If there's not a God then why ____? If there's not a God then what ____?

A bunch of questions isn't proof. And words in a book written 2000 years ago isn't proof either.

Then you make a bunch of assumptions on what a lack of belief in a God must mean about my belief structure. But you base all of that on the idea that there can't possibly be any other way to think or approach life than your own.

You are the very embodiment of ignorance and arrogance. Ignorance in that you won't even allow yourself to learn about anything else, and arrogance in that nobody without YOUR belief system could possibly be living an honest and honorable life.

 

[Boomboom521]

Offer irrefutable PROOF that anything you just said was factual.

You can't.

You can quote the bible all you want, but in the end, you have ZERO PROOF that it is a factual representation of anything at all.

That's why it's called faith and not fact.

So, even though you THINK I'm wrong, your thought that I'm wrong carries no more weight than my thought that you're wrong.

Give me irrefutable PROOF that the Bible is actually the truth and the word of God. Give me irrefutable PROOF that there is deity that created humans on Earth.

You absolutely CANNOT do that. All you can do is ask a bunch of questions and claim that it's proof. If there's not a God then how ____? If there's not a God then why ____? If there's not a God then what ____?

A bunch of questions isn't proof. And words in a book written 2000 years ago isn't proof either.

Then you make a bunch of assumptions on what a lack of belief in a God must mean about my belief structure. But you base all of that on the idea that there can't possibly be any other way to think or approach life than your own.

You are the very embodiment of ignorance and arrogance. Ignorance in that you won't even allow yourself to learn about anything else, and arrogance in that nobody without YOUR belief system could possibly be living an honest and honorable life.

Brother....this road is a very bad one to go down. He is the most obtuse poster I’ve ever interacted with....hence the nickname chubbs....your points will be ignored (although he will act as if he addressed them), and his use of circular logic will make the effort a giant waste of time.

 

[Boomboom521]

You guys are the "old" republican guard. Reasoned and logical thought.

I’m beginning to hope that the New Democratic platform appeals to this group, leadership would have to change of course....and the party message would need serious retooling. Lamb seemed to embody this shift though. Fiscal conservative, socially liberal, open to working out true compromise to address issues.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Brother....this road is a very bad one to go down. He is the most obtuse poster I’ve ever interacted with....hence the nickname chubbs....your points will be ignored (although he will act as if he addressed them), and his use of circular logic will make the effort a giant waste of time.

Oh, I know. I dealt with him before, and actually have him on ignore for all the reasons you mention. I just happened to click the "show ignored content".

I'm fully aware of his approach.

However, you failed to mention the part where he will continually claim you said something you never said, and then attack you for those very things, even though you never said them.

And then also the parts where he tells you all about what you believe and what you value.

I'm VERY familiar.

I have to admit a bit of a deranged sense of humor in engaging in people like him.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I’m beginning to hope that the New Democratic platform appeals to this group, leadership would have to change of course....and the party message would need serious retooling. Lamb seemed to embody this shift though. Fiscal conservative, socially liberal, open to working out true compromise to address issues.

They won't.

 

[Boomboom521]

Oh, I know. I dealt with him before, and actually have him on ignore for all the reasons you mention. I just happened to click the "show ignored content".

I'm fully aware of his approach.

However, you failed to mention the part where he will continually claim you said something you never said, and then attack you for those very things, even though you never said them.

And then also the parts where he tells you all about what you believe and what you value.

I'm VERY familiar.

I have to admit a bit of a deranged sense of humor in engaging in people like him.

I’m seeing that in myself as well. I’ve gone pages with him, knowing full well what I’ll get in return.

 

[Boomboom521]

They won't.

Now’s the time, but I agree....they won’t.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I’m seeing that in myself as well. I’ve gone pages with him, knowing full well what I’ll get in return.

Ahh, I remember back in January......the MLK debate was fun, and interesting........opcorn:

 

[MountaineerWV]

...hence the nickname chubbs...

I thought it was because he reminded you of this guy in this movie.......opcorn:

 

[Boomboom521]

Ahh, I remember back in January......the MLK debate was fun, and interesting........opcorn:

I went like 6 pages in 2 different threads on that one.....as foolish as that was

 

[atlkvb]

Offer irrefutable PROOF that anything you just said was factual.

You can't.

You can quote the bible all you want, but in the end, you have ZERO PROOF that it is a factual representation of anything at all.

That's why it's called faith and not fact.

So, even though you THINK I'm wrong, your thought that I'm wrong carries no more weight than my thought that you're wrong.

Give me irrefutable PROOF that the Bible is actually the truth and the word of God. Give me irrefutable PROOF that there is deity that created humans on Earth.

You absolutely CANNOT do that. All you can do is ask a bunch of questions and claim that it's proof. If there's not a God then how ____? If there's not a God then why ____? If there's not a God then what ____?

A bunch of questions isn't proof. And words in a book written 2000 years ago isn't proof either.

Then you make a bunch of assumptions on what a lack of belief in a God must mean about my belief structure. But you base all of that on the idea that there can't possibly be any other way to think or approach life than your own.

You are the very embodiment of ignorance and arrogance. Ignorance in that you won't even allow yourself to learn about anything else, and arrogance in that nobody without YOUR belief system could possibly be living an honest and honorable life.

You are right. Faith suggests only one of two things. Belief or non belief. Those are the only choices, and you are 100% free to choose either one.

You will find ample support for whichever choice you make.

 

[atlkvb]

Officer Chubby Highbrow Knowitall of the belief police crackin heads and doing the truth investigation with all his extra time on his hands.

Again if I'm 100% whacked out wrong, about anything I've mentioned here so what?

Why are you so exercised over me simply expressing my Faith? If it's all wet, dismiss it and move on! Why the personal attacks?

You're not attacked personally for disagreeing are you? Do you feel slighted. Persecuted? Misunderstood? Misquoted?

In my opinion you can carry on and live as you choose. No one condemns you and no one cares if you reject everything I believe.

Carry on.

 

[atlkvb]

I went like 6 pages in 2 different threads on that one.....as foolish as that was

Yes it was...as I remember you both denying everything Socialists believe yet defending none of it. Neither of you could point to one successful example of it running as planned.

Telling.

 

[atlkvb]

Oh, I know. I dealt with him before, and actually have him on ignore for all the reasons you mention. I just happened to click the "show ignored content".

I'm fully aware of his approach.

However, you failed to mention the part where he will continually claim you said something you never said, and then attack you for those very things, even though you never said them.

And then also the parts where he tells you all about what you believe and what you value.

I'm VERY familiar.

I have to admit a bit of a deranged sense of humor in engaging in people like him.

You and the Left either deny what you believe or simply can't defend it. I just point that out and it pisses all of you off.

You and I scrimmaged over the evidence of creation. The evidence is there, you just don't believe it. That's cool. Why am I such a creep for simply pointing out what you refuse to accept?

 

[atlkvb]

Coop, Whitetail, boomer none of you admits to being a Socialist correct?

Yet all of you defend it to one degree or another correct?

Well explain why if you are so willing to defend it are you so reluctant to call yourselves devotees to it? What parts of it don't work that keep you from calling yourselves Socialists?

 

[atlkvb]

Brother....this road is a very bad one to go down. He is the most obtuse poster I’ve ever interacted with....hence the nickname chubbs....your points will be ignored (although he will act as if he addressed them), and his use of circular logic will make the effort a giant waste of time.

Boomer why are you NOT a Socialist?

 

[atlkvb]

Oh, I know. I dealt with him before, and actually have him on ignore for all the reasons you mention. I just happened to click the "show ignored content".

I'm fully aware of his approach.

However, you failed to mention the part where he will continually claim you said something you never said, and then attack you for those very things, even though you never said them.

And then also the parts where he tells you all about what you believe and what you value.

I'm VERY familiar.

I have to admit a bit of a deranged sense of humor in engaging in people like him.

Whitetail (btw hope you are doing better with your health) a few weeks back I posted a very compelling video which I believe directly offers the proof you demanded I produce in your post I'm responding to here.

I can repost it if you like. Amazingly no one on the Left bothered to refute it when I initially posted it, but since you are demanding proof of my claims I'm offering that as an example.

I challenge you to watch it with an open mind then post me back with your solid rebuttals of its claims of the exact evidence & proof you demand.

You game? Just hit me back and I'll repost it for 'ya.

 

[atlkvb]

I’m beginning to hope that the New Democratic platform appeals to this group, leadership would have to change of course....and the party message would need serious retooling. Lamb seemed to embody this shift though. Fiscal conservative, socially liberal, open to working out true compromise to address issues.

How does a "socially Liberal fiscally Conservative" pol who is personally Pro Life but won't impose his morality onto others vote on Taxpayer funded Abortions on demand?

How does a Democrat get elected in a Democrat primary running on a Pro Life limited Government spending agenda?

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Fiscal conservative, socially liberal

That's me, and why I most closely align with Libertarians. Although my socially liberal stands comes primarily from the thought that there are some things the government just shouldn't be interjecting themselves into.

 

[atlkvb]

Give me irrefutable PROOF that the Bible is actually the truth and the word of God. Give me irrefutable PROOF that there is deity

I can. Here is the evidence you asked for. Now your only choice is to accept it or reject it. You can also refute it but if you do for me I'd just also request that you post your evidence refuting it because that is the fair way to do it after I offered what you asked for by way of irrefutable proof OK?

 

[Boomboom521]

That's me, and why I most closely align with Libertarians. Although my socially liberal stands comes primarily from the thought that there are some things the government just shouldn't be interjecting themselves into.

I’m also a proponent of States rights on issues that are difficult to rule on. What has always pushed me away from the rightwing is the religious absolutism, that I feel flies in the face of American ideals. The lack of seeing financial aid to impoverished Americans (both citizens and hopeful citizens) as a legitimate effort on making the nation better overall. And the business and wealthy centered financial approach to policy.

Now, I see more to dislike in the GOP platform, and many are former Democratic tenants. Control of trade and corporate welfare are in contrast to free market policy, and have compromised capitalism....Out of control spending.....the things I was happy to see Democrats eliminate from their agenda, the GOP has scooped up under Trump.

Add to that a fierce nationalism sentiment, to the tune of turning our backs on refugees....And allowing the same religious absolutism to exist, although cloaked in hypocrisy thanks to Trump’s sexual prowess and loud mouth.....and I don’t think I’ll consider voting GOP for a very long time.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

The lack of seeing financial aid to impoverished Americans (both citizens and hopeful citizens) as a legitimate effort on making the nation better overall.

Add to that a fierce nationalism sentiment, to the tune of turning our backs on refugees....

The second statement ... the response is always "we need to take care of Americans first" But then your first statement is also true, and they scoff at anything that would actually help less fortunate Americans.

 

[Boomboom521]

The second statement ... the response is always "we need to take care of Americans first" But then your first statement is also true, and they scoff at anything that would actually help less fortunate Americans.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the message of “America First”. But whether refugee, immigrant, 20 yr illegal immigrant wanting to receive citizenship....I see them as potential Americans that can help our nation.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Are you two going to **** now? I told you that you all would get along. I honestly thought BoomBoom was you after a name change.

@Boomboom521 @WhiteTailEER

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Are you two going to **** now? I told you that you all would get along. I honestly thought BoomBoom was you after a name change.

@Boomboom521 @WhiteTailEER

Depends on if he is a top or a bottom I guess.

I could totally see why you would think that, as I could have totally written a lot of his posts myself.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Depends on if he is a top or a bottom I guess.

Definitely a bottom.