Differences in reporting from the right and left
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Telling Leftist Athiests God loves them is like telling domesticated animals people actually work for a living to feed them.
Somebody asked where it said in the Bible we have the right to own guns, and you pull a passage out of context that talks about swords. I'm being quite lucid.
I think you already know where I stand on that ... It's complete bull ****.
There isn't a God that willed our country into existence. I can't imagine a god sanctioning the slaughter of indigenous people (that were already free) in order to establish a globally recognized country.
These are all purely man-made.
But I can't prove my point any easier than you can prove yours.
So, what you are saying is that your Bible provides no value structure whatsoever because you can just interpret anything to mean whatever you want it to mean for whatever situation.
And people wonder why I don't believe in it.
Do you not see how stupid this line of thinking is? The Bible doesn't mention skyscrapers or cars or airplanes either. It's the underlying principle of SELF DEFENSE that's important.
From foreign attack..........in the 1780's........when we did not have a standing army........
I didn’t realize you were straight atheist, but whatevs. I’m willing to cede I was by birth bestowed certain unalienable rights...thank you Flying Spaghetti Monster or BigClay.
Depends on how atheist is defined, which has seemed to have morphed into a firmly held belief that there is absolutely nothing and couldn't possibly be. That to me sounds like another faith based religion of sorts.
If there is something there, I don't see it playing a role in our country. I don't think it's up there listening to prayers and granting wishes or whatever and I don't think it's guiding any decisions. If there is some judgment to be made when we pass, I don't think that this entity will care what book you followed or where you sat on Sunday mornings or which direction you faced when you knealt on your mat. The judgment will solely be on your actions towards others. (so in a sense I guess I kind of align with your thought of being born with rights (and as long as you don't infringe on those rights with others, you get in), I don't think it has anything to do with where that is geographically or politically)
In short ... if there is something, I don't think that any of our religions have it right. I think they were created as a means of control and that they are purely man-made constructs. But I don't really think there is anything there either. I'm humble enough to recognize that I have no proof of my stance and I could be wrong. It bothers me that evangelicals won't admit the same.
So my "that's ********" statement was just on the thought that Big Clay had anything to do with forming our country.
Sounds more agnostic to me, honestly. That’s where I am, and further I’m unwilling to grant authority of judgement for my actions to something higher.Depends on how atheist is defined, which has seemed to have morphed into a firmly held belief that there is absolutely nothing and couldn't possibly be. That to me sounds like another faith based religion of sorts.
If there is something there, I don't see it playing a role in our country. I don't think it's up there listening to prayers and granting wishes or whatever and I don't think it's guiding any decisions. If there is some judgment to be made when we pass, I don't think that this entity will care what book you followed or where you sat on Sunday mornings or which direction you faced when you knealt on your mat. The judgment will solely be on your actions towards others. (so in a sense I guess I kind of align with your thought of being born with rights (and as long as you don't infringe on those rights with others, you get in), I don't think it has anything to do with where that is geographically or politically)
In short ... if there is something, I don't think that any of our religions have it right. I think they were created as a means of control and that they are purely man-made constructs. But I don't really think there is anything there either. I'm humble enough to recognize that I have no proof of my stance and I could be wrong. It bothers me that evangelicals won't admit the same.
So my "that's ********" statement was just on the thought that Big Clay had anything to do with forming our country.
You’re wrong on the last part. Clayton is he who is called I AM! He is Merica’!
So what did Biblical writers know about Supercomputers thousands of years ago when they mentioned an "explosion of knowledge" before Christ returns? How'd they ever imagine such a thing?
What did they know about air travel when they mentioned men moving to and fro around the earth as easily as birds? That sure sounded like some whacked out hippie didn't it? What did they know about Space travel, telescopes, and astronomy when they said Man would look to the edge of the Universe towards the last days and travel towards the stars? How was that even possible to imagine 2 thousand years ago?
What did they know about atomic power or Nuclear conflagration when they described how a bright flash in the sky would melt the skin off of bones in the blink of an eye during Armageddon and the final battle of Man vs Evil?
What did they know about digital technology, bio readers, retina scanners, microchips and the "cashless society" when they mentioned the mark of the Beast and how no Man would be able to buy or sell anything without it? What technology existed back then for them to write such gobbledygook?
What did they know about human cloning, genetic engineering, artificial intelligence, and miraculous organ transplants when they mentioned Man will assume he is like God & actually consider himself as God towards these last days?
If you base your disbelief of the Bible and it's warnings to Man on things you think were irrelevant or made no sense or were just made up back when it was written how do you explain its remarkable descriptions of things exactly as we have them today when those early writers had no clue of how we'd turn out? Turns out they were describing us perfectly including our arrogant hearts due to all of our self assured knowledge.
You still don't believe any of it? It's just all so much nonsense or just coincidence right?
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I’d love to see you post that actual verse in the Bible about the “mark of the beast”. Since you characterize it so very specifically with technology (as ”predicted” by biblical authors through their clear knowledge of the future). Can you do that?
Wasn’t it you that claimed the Old Testament was not literally the word of God — when the nastiness of the text was being debated on another thread a long time ago?
No. I've never claimed the Old Testament wasn't the Word of God. Wasn't it you who claimed the entire Bible is just a giant fairy tale?
Not only will I quote it for you, I will give you its exact context, so you will be without excuse if you care to really know and will read it?
Yes in fact there is no other way to read it. It doesn't make any sense without technology. There is no other way to understand how it could happen without technology. But one must read it in context, and that context is the explosion of knowledge and man's increasing knowledge of Science and nature and expansion of his mental capacity. That's the context in which the passage is mentioned.
OK what? Listen I'm not interested in doing this if your only objective is to prove that passage dosen't mean or say exactly what I'm suggesting. It would have been impossible for Men who knew nothing of these technological advances to mention them by name two thousand years ago so if that's what you want you won't get it.
However they most certainly described precisely how we'd be using knowledge to increase our awareness and think we know as much about our World as the Creator...that we would think of ourselves as the Creator is! While it is true we are Created in his image, we are not and we cannot be Almighty God.
The Bible says we will think we are due to our amazing advances of knowledge in the last days...we certainly have advanced more in the last 100 years than in all of human history! So if you are sincere in seeing how that all ties together, I'd be happy to point that Scripture out to you. If you're however just on a mission to mock me, don't waste your time 'cause I'm not wasting mine helping you.
This poster wasn't aware of it, but in this one post the whole attitude of the Left and Atheistic Socialism was honestly revealed. When you don't believe in the Authority of Almighty God over human affairs, you substitute human authority (ie: Government as a replacement) This post was quite revealing in both what Socialists believe and what happens when God's authority is rejected as a result.
Of course without a Godly standard, anything becomes a substitute. This is the heart of relativism. Truth is what one makes of it, not who Almighty God is. "I am the Truth, the way and the light, no Man comes to the Father but through me" John 14:6
This is a natural progression resulting from rejecting the Truth of almighty God and substituting it for situational relativism and secular Humanism.
Leftists classically do not believe in American exceptionalism. They reject the idea we are uniquely grounded in the realization that we are the first Nation in human history to recognize Almighty God as our primary authority and give him a place of preeminence over our Republic.
Again this nation came together after Prayer from the Founding Fathers who struggled to strike a balance between Religious Liberty, and recognizing Almighty God as our ultimate Authority. The document they produced after that Prayer was the greatest in Human history...the Declaration of Independence. From it grew our Constitution...unique in Human history... which has stood the test of time as to it's Wisdom, correctness, and decency as the standard for self governance and beacon of Freedom for all people.
This is true. Christ says there is only one way to be judged:
When Jesus comes again He will have in His body the marks of crucifixion, and this will prove that the penalty for Sin has been paid in full. Our Lord reassures us by His own word: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shallnot come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24)
This is the only way we will be judged.
This in part is true, but there will be something else more important:
"The Bible teaches clearly that all men, both living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. Those who were dead, those who have died since or will have died, and the living must give account to Jesus Christ who is ready to judge all men"
This is not entirely True, but worth considering. The Bible says this:
“God hath appointed a day, in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead” (Acts 17:31). In this sense every judgment throne can be considered as the judgment seat of Christ, for, as the resurrected Son of God, He has been appointed by the Father to be the Judge of all.
Correct.
"The Bible is silent on details as to the exact location of the place of judgment. Whether in Heaven or in the air we cannot tell. However, one thing is certain, as Henry W. Frost has said: “A divine judgment need not take long.” It is absurd even to conceive of a problem of space when we think of the vast expanse in the heavens".
Again Correct. Religion cannot save you, nor will it be your source of judgement:
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ".
All Religions are an attempt of Man to reconcile himself to Almighty God. Christ is Almighty God's way of reconciling himself to Man.
Of course none of this makes any sense if you reject the very concept of a "Creator" or a "Savior". Which means you do not accept Sin, Salvation, or Evil itself. How could you? Man is all there is, and Man is good.
FYI...here is the entire article from which the information in this post was gleaned.
https://bible.org/seriespage/6-future-judgment-believer
Believers of course follow the opposite path. They understand by nature Man is fallen, that without God he can do nothing and is nothing. Socialist Atheism takes the exact opposite view. That Man is essentially good, and through his Government he can create a utopian society without need for a Savior, without Sin, and without the harshness of a demanding Creator.
This is the heart of the dispute between Right and Left. Humanism and believers. Right and Wrong. Good and Evil. Leftists don't believe the lines are this clearly drawn and they think believers are the problem because of their intransigence of Faith.
But people of Faith believe Atheists are the problem, relying on Government instead of Almighty God for provisions, World history shows that ultimately fails.
Of course without a Godly standard, anything becomes a substitute. This is the heart of relativism. Truth is what one makes of it, not who Almighty God is. "I am the Truth, the way and the light, no Man comes to the Father but through me" John 14:6
This is a natural progression resulting from rejecting the Truth of almighty God and substituting it for situational relativism and secular Humanism.
Leftists classically do not believe in American exceptionalism. They reject the idea we are uniquely grounded in the realization that we are the first Nation in human history to recognize Almighty God as our primary authority and give him a place of preeminence over our Republic.
Again this nation came together after Prayer from the Founding Fathers who struggled to strike a balance between Religious Liberty, and recognizing Almighty God as our ultimate Authority. The document they produced after that Prayer was the greatest in Human history...the Declaration of Independence. From it grew our Constitution...unique in Human history... which has stood the test of time as to it's Wisdom, correctness, and decency as the standard for self governance and beacon of Freedom for all people.
This is true. Christ says there is only one way to be judged:
When Jesus comes again He will have in His body the marks of crucifixion, and this will prove that the penalty for Sin has been paid in full. Our Lord reassures us by His own word: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shallnot come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24)
This is the only way we will be judged.
This in part is true, but there will be something else more important:
"The Bible teaches clearly that all men, both living and dead, saved and unsaved, must give an account to Christ. Those who were dead, those who have died since or will have died, and the living must give account to Jesus Christ who is ready to judge all men"
This is not entirely True, but worth considering. The Bible says this:
“God hath appointed a day, in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man Whom He hath ordained; whereof He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead” (Acts 17:31). In this sense every judgment throne can be considered as the judgment seat of Christ, for, as the resurrected Son of God, He has been appointed by the Father to be the Judge of all.
Correct.
"The Bible is silent on details as to the exact location of the place of judgment. Whether in Heaven or in the air we cannot tell. However, one thing is certain, as Henry W. Frost has said: “A divine judgment need not take long.” It is absurd even to conceive of a problem of space when we think of the vast expanse in the heavens".
Again Correct. Religion cannot save you, nor will it be your source of judgement:
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ".
All Religions are an attempt of Man to reconcile himself to Almighty God. Christ is Almighty God's way of reconciling himself to Man.
Of course none of this makes any sense if you reject the very concept of a "Creator" or a "Savior". Which means you do not accept Sin, Salvation, or Evil itself. How could you? Man is all there is, and Man is good.
FYI...here is the entire article from which the information in this post was gleaned.
https://bible.org/seriespage/6-future-judgment-believer
Believers of course follow the opposite path. They understand by nature Man is fallen, that without God he can do nothing and is nothing. Socialist Atheism takes the exact opposite view. That Man is essentially good, and through his Government he can create a utopian society without need for a Savior, without Sin, and without the harshness of a demanding Creator.
This is the heart of the dispute between Right and Left. Humanism and believers. Right and Wrong. Good and Evil. Leftists don't believe the lines are this clearly drawn and they think believers are the problem because of their intransigence of Faith.
But people of Faith believe Atheists are the problem, relying on Government instead of Almighty God for provisions, World history shows that ultimately fails.
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I would not be surprised if they've been spying on us all since that thing was set up (FISA). Look at Facebook! They're in hot water for collecting and holding choice data on us. Fact is, we've been open to a digital colonoscopy since around 2000! They can find out practically anything they want about you just by pulling up your computer's IP address!
