I know this is mixing in football but a gun was involved in all situations. We had a football player who was carrying a gun he got dismissed from team and went to I think Jacksonville state. Same year Bama football player got caught with weed and a stolen gun in his car. Saban let him play said he couldn’t ruin a player over this. We had some football players get accused of pulling a gun they had to go to grand jury and get acquitted of not having a gun. Those player lost almost half a season. Bama star player brings a gun to other player and a lady is killed in the process. Player that brought the gun hasn’t missed a game ALL YEAR. Coach just says “wrong place wrong time”!! You can’t make this stuff up!! The sec office should step into this and suspend Miller until this is resolved. Does BAMA not have a student board like UK to kick a player out of school for carting a gun to a murder!! It is unreal to me!!
Difference in UK and Bama
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Agreed up until the SEC office needs to get involved. If there’s one thing we need LESS of, it’s the SEC / NCAA getting involved and making decisions that are WAY outside of their “jurisdiction.”
I’m not saying that something shouldn’t be done. Something should ABSOLUTELY be done. But it can’t come from the SEC / NCAA. That’s going to lead to a slippery slope that nobody can begin to comprehend. It has to be either the UA athletic department or the Tuscaloosa DA needs to press charges. Even if they don’t intend to throw Miller in jail, the public view of charges would force UA’s hand (which I think that whole concept is equally disastrous). I don’t know what you can do that would be “good” if the coach is a slimeball, which Oats obviously is
There’s an 11 to 12 page thread about this incident and I pretty much read the whole damn thing and don’t recall a single poster siding with oats and how he’s handled it. Pretty certain most have also said no interest in him coaching here any longer as well. Some may have stated that it’s likely to blow over and he will still land a big time job at some point in time but that’s a far cry from posters saying they want him to still be the next coach. Perhaps you can post some examples of what you are referring to? You
The frustration and disgust of losing to Georgia, South Carolina, going 9-16, St. Peter’s etc. far outweighs the disappointment of Oates talking bologna. Winning basketball games must be the first priority. Oates is in the wrong for a choice of words…so be it. Posters are acting like he pulled the trigger.
You are 100% wrong. Winning basketball games is certainly part of the equation but as a coach/teacher/mentor your job is actively be a part of kids lives and help guide them into the next chapter. I want to win as much as the next guy, but it’s not at all cost.
Believe me, if this happened at Kentucky; between Mitch & the Press having a Field Day===Miller is Done! Charges or No Charges. Kentucky gets hammered Nationally!
Larry Eustachy pt.2
Oats will be lucky to keep his current job.
Upgrading is out of the question now.
Kyjeff1 was one of them that said you don't cut out Nate Oats from consideration over one bad statement. He says Cal makes them all the time.
He's pissing in the wind also.
He knows the truth regardless of his personal opinion.
Oh look, a lie. The Cal Cult at its finest.
One thing is obvious. We have some posters here who are very embarrassing.
I disagree. I’m not a win at all costs type. This is entertainment, not life and death. I’d rather have a coach that holds his players accountable for their actions, W-L records be damned.
If one of our players supplied a gun that was used in a crime and was at the scene of the murder of a young mother, I wouldn’t want that guy wearing a UK uniform even if he was averaging 35 ppg.
Oats' comments are stupid, but if Miller legally owned the gun, what are you going to punish him for? What law did he break?
Wasn’t his gun, it was miles’ gun. Miles text miller to bring his gun to him. Miller drove the gun to the scene which appears to be the extent of his involvement. If he had foreknowledge of knowing the gun was going to be used then he certainly needs charged, otherwise he just used extremely poor judgment in taking someone their gun without asking why. Without seeing the full text message know one really knows. For all we know it simply says hey BM, can you bring my gun to me when you head back over this way please.
It wasn’t Miller’s gun. The guy told Miller bring me my gun this might get ruff. Miller could of told his drunk friends I am coming to get you out of there. Nobody dies in this case.
There was a murder case in Lexington several years ago. One person brought the gun at the instigation of another. Both were charged with murder. Involvement in murder is very sticky for the people around it. Lesser crimes typically are more narrowly charged.
That's quite a stretch imo. If someone texted me to bring a gun to them I sure would be asking questions before ever getting the gun and driving there with it. Miller had to know something was up and the gun might likely be used for something bad. Either that, or Miller is the dumbest most naive guy around. I see no reason to defend Miller's role in all this as innocent bystander.
The difference is Bama has players that create shots for others.
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Perfect illustration why UK shouldn't over react to accusations. Look what happened to LTubman for no good reason. You'll think about this type of thing differently when it happens to you or someone close to you.
Perhaps you could go back and read the thread closer. A few posted comments leading anyone that read their post to think they felt what Oates said to not be that big of a deal. Most felt the kid shouldn’t even be playing until the investigation was over. Maybe, I read misunderstood their post Maybe I didn’t. Anyway, you read the post and should know how UK looks a something like this.
Really, when did Cal have a player that brought someone a gun to shoot another person. The guy made a simple analysis that was stupid and obviously not in the same ballpark.
Not defending his role at all, but it’s not that big of a stretch. For all we know miles had his conceal to carry and was not uncommon for him to keep it on him. Even if he didn’t have his CtoC it could still be very common for him to keep it on him and Miller would have been aware of that. If you ran around with a friend who had their gun on them a lot and your friend said hey forgot my gun can you bring it to me, you wouldn’t think a thing about it. Not saying this is the case, we don’t know but it’s not a big stretch as you say.
He acted like a woman losing her life was just another casual thing. If you can't even be a basic human being about things like this, you've got no business in college sports. The players are at the age that they become the people they're going to be. We need fewer people being nonchalant about someone dying for no reason, not more. The only message he sent the kids he's charged with guiding is "f*ck that ***** anyway".
I understand what you're saying but feel you're adding a lot of unknown possibilities in. Just my opinion, but I think of I were in that position I would have been asking questions. Since the gun was used in a murder I'm a bit suspicious that it was a request made in line with "I forgot my gun". I still believe Miller knew much more than what we may think or want to believe.
Wasn't the reason Tai Wynyard was dismissed from the basketball team that he showed up at a party either carrying a gun or was with someone who was. At least that was the rumor. If so, handled much different that Alabama.
And by "carrying" I mean had it holstered...not brandishing.
And by "carrying" I mean had it holstered...not brandishing.
Under the circumstances of what we do know yes I would certainly agree with you and feel the chances of him knowing something was up are greater than not which would make him an accessory to murder. Still think more will come out which will do one of two things, completely exonerate him as he was completely in the dark or implicate him to be charged with accessory. Would imagine text messages will be viewed as the investigation continues if they haven’t been already. Figure if there is anything he can be charged with will probably be made known within a weeks time as quickly as this story has blown up and pressure the DA will be getting from the general public.
He's most likely gone if he's at UK, and he certainly isn't playing tonight as he will for Bama.[eyeroll]
Being the guys guy I think that changes things significantly and I can see why he wasn’t charged.