Diaz/Turner or Steele/Orgeron?

57stratdawg

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I have alot of faith in Diaz, but I've never been blow away with Turner.

I don't know **** about Steele, but I think Orgeron is as good as they come with DL. Didn't they say this week they were going to be running a 4-2-5?
 

Bulldogg31

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I could see them doing that and using the MLB Beckwith to shadow Dak. He killed them last year when they'd split the linebackers out. No way they leave that huge hole in the middle for Dak this year.

To me, Steele seems like a retread. Les loves the ex-NFL guys, but I'm not sure they are always great in college. I guess Steele has the Saban name attached so there's that.
 

Strike.sixpack

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I have alot of faith in Diaz, but I've never been blow away with Turner.

I don't know **** about Steele, but I think Orgeron is as good as they come with DL. Didn't they say this week they were going to be running a 4-2-5?

The 4-2-5 and 4-3 under I believe Steele ran a good bit at Clemson.
 

mcdawg22

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Manny has a lot to prove as far as I'm concernrd

I didn't like the hire. He was gashed at Texas and now he has been thrown against for 300 by USM. I hope he succeeds but I don't buy into his ********.
 

TheStateUofMS

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I really don't understand the "Texas D was bad under Diaz so he sucks" chatter

I didn't like the hire. He was gashed at Texas and now he has been thrown against for 300 by USM. I hope he succeeds but I don't buy into his ********.


Did you see their D before he got there? Did you see them while he was there? Have you seen them since he left? Have you seen them against Notre Dame????

I know this: Where there wasn't a dumpster fire throughout the program, Diaz did well. MTSU, MSU and La Tech they led the nation in turnovers last year. The guy is a good coach. He is not the reason the Texas D was so bad. Texas is a culture problem right now. Charlie Strong led some of the best Ds in the country at Florida and Texas' D wasn't worth a crap last year and isn't so far this year. Diaz and Texas shouldn't even be talked about. It baffles me it is. It used to be Mack Brown's fault. And now it's Diaz's fault somehow?
 

patdog

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Manny had a great defense his first season there, when he had players. But a severe lack of talent, bad attitudes from the head coach down to the players, and a head coach looking desperately for a scapegoat did him in.
 

mcdawg22

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2013 Texas D was 89th in rushing yards allowed. In a conference that passes a lot. If we had a coach that gave up 550 yards rushing to one team, personnel be damned, we'd be calling for his head.
 

patdog

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It's pretty obvious that the problem with Texas in 2013 wasn't their defensive coordinator. Firing him sure fixed everything, didn't it. If I'm Texas in 2013 (really 2012), the head I'm calling for isn't the defensive coordinator's. It's the head coach's.
 

mcdawg22

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I get that, but he had two future All-Americans/NFL players on the DL, and gave up 550 yards on the ground in one game. That's absurd.
 

TheStateUofMS

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And Miami has more NFL players in the league than any other team in the country, but they've been virtually irrelevant right?
 

57stratdawg

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If we struggle to stop people this year, I think it'll say a lot about playing D behind a hurry-up offense.
 

Bulldogg31

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I agree Strat. Puts a lot of pressure on our depth to play fast offense. However, if we put up 500 yds a game again this year I'll take our chances.

I really think this game can be a "re-coming out party" for Diaz. If he can get pressure on Harris and create 2 or 3 turnovers we could win big. The last time Diaz coached MSU against LSU our defense held them to 264 total yards and 16 first downs. Unfortunately in one of Chris Relf's first starts we committed five turnovers. We were down 12-7 in the third quarter and the defense was playing fantastic. They brought in Jordan Jefferson and he sparked them a bit, then Stevan Ridley salted it away. I do remember Diaz's defense looking stout though, and this is one of the games that probably led to him getting the Texas offer.
 
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57stratdawg

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It is probably a worthwhile trade off, but Saban has talked extensively about how them going faster wore the D down at the end of the year. It looks like we have combated that by playing more bodies.
 
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mcdawg22

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Did you see their D before he got there? Did you see them while he was there? Have you seen them since he left? Have you seen them against Notre Dame????

I know this: Where there wasn't a dumpster fire throughout the program, Diaz did well. MTSU, MSU and La Tech they led the nation in turnovers last year. The guy is a good coach. He is not the reason the Texas D was so bad. Texas is a culture problem right now. Charlie Strong led some of the best Ds in the country at Florida and Texas' D wasn't worth a crap last year and isn't so far this year. Diaz and Texas shouldn't even be talked about. It baffles me it is. It used to be Mack Brown's fault. And now it's Diaz's fault somehow?
Now do you get it?
 
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