Diaco vs D players
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Nobody seems to have the answer to that. The only reason it is even being brought up is because Jason Peter said something vague about it in Big Red Wrap up. But I do not think Jason Peter is a reliable source. But it would explain a great many things. Such as why our defense just seems to have given up
Do you think they have given up? Or are they just overmatched against the better teams because we dont have the talent to run a 4-3 yet?
I don't know. They look uninspired to me.
If we do not have the talent yet to run the 3-4, then why are we running it? Phase it in gradually for crying out loud. If our problem is that we have 4-3 talent but insist on playing the 3-4 then we are nuts. The reality is I think that we are actually in the 4-3 more than you think.
I don't put much stock in any one thing that Jason Peter says. It can be hard to track with him when he's talking about things that actually happened and when he's exaggerating for effect.
But I know Diaco SHOULD have ripped them about 3 new arseholes apiece. If you're just not as good as the guy across from you, so be it. But they've been trying to freelance their assignments or find workarounds from not wanting to go out there and hit. That won't get it. Especially not in a 3-4.
But I know Diaco SHOULD have ripped them about 3 new arseholes apiece. If you're just not as good as the guy across from you, so be it. But they've been trying to freelance their assignments or find workarounds from not wanting to go out there and hit. That won't get it. Especially not in a 3-4.
Run a 4-3 with DEs who can't make a play or run a 3-4 with OLBs who can't make a play. Potato, potahtoe.
Toxic culture from the Mark Banker ERA IMO.
True. But that is on Riley. In year three we ought to have recruited some decent rush ends by now. But we have gotten next to nothing. That is what Riley gets for essentially wasting two recruiting cycles on Hank Hughes. No more damn excuses. In year three we ought to see some talent rising to the surface if his recruiting is really so much better. In reality, it isn't.
Bingo. I have seen lots of video analysis of various plays on defense for the OSU game. And big play after big play it was always the same common denominator: guys playing out of position and not maintaining proper gap responsibility. You often had two linebackers covering the same gap or the same tight end. And on running plays losing all discipline and just running toward the ball. So I think you are correct. What you have is a bunch of guys who are just freelancing. And whoever the QB is for calling defensive checks is doing an awful job.
Diaco is an odd duck, but I would say he is reaping what others have sown. If a DC was to go down with the Riley ship, it should have been Mark B.
This will happen. If the plan isn't working, try something different. But the plan might work the next play and the next series. If you are going to get beat, at least look organized about it.
Half-measures have killed four straight coaches at NU. If what you have doesn't work, change it NOW and let the narrative be about the change. Trying to be pretty good this year with all the old parts sets you up to look real bad when you suddenly are breaking in two new play styles in year 3 because you have a new DC and your running QB is gone.
That's what bugs the crap out of me about the "wuhl look how bad the players are" argument. Ok then what has been done to get better players NOW and get them on the field early? We can't get a single JUCO player to come to NU or what? The reason Lovie will get time at Illinois is that you can see he's playing a team full of underclassmen.
Meanwhile, NU is trying to be on some 5 year plan and fight for that #3 slot in the West with a bunch of walk-ons on the 2-deep while they mysteriously can't get talented underclassmen on the field.
I think the catch here is that Riley was going for the 5 year plan. Yeah, we could have played some young guys and maybe he would have bought himself some more time...but in the long run he would have hit a lower ceiling. And at Nebraska we have already proven that a conference titles are necessary to keep your job. Idk what Riley was thinking, but I’m guessing it’s that he would need some talented 5th year guys in order to get where we want to go
Diaco should take some heat as well, but overall this staff is short on player development/consistency, and yes, I know there is talent deficiency on both sides. JMO.
I disagree. You play your best players. Period. I don't think Riley is playing less talented upperclassman because he is saving the real talent for down the road. Sorry and no offense, but I think that is nonsense. Riley knows he is at a blue blood program with impatient fans who are hungry for success. Forget a "return to glory". How about we just beat NIU and Iowa and Wisconsin?
If you have better players on your bench than the ones you are starting and it is costing you games then you, quite frankly, suck as a coach and have no idea what it takes to last at a school like Nebraska. Crap, even Harbaugh is feeling heat in year three at Michigan. And that is as it should be. He should feel heat. He ain't making 9 million a year to lose to Michigan State and get boat raced by PSU.
But here is my guess: our recruiting has not been as stellar as some on here would like us to think. The fact is, at key positions like rush end, we really don't have younger and more talented players. We have guys who might be more talented than our current starters with a few more years in the weight room. But right now they are undeveloped guys who are not that great.
PSU recruited guys at the end of their sanctions who were good enough to start in their second year on the team and who were very, very good. And they had lots of such recruits. We don't. And it is year three.
I have said all along that I believe Riley was a 5 year plan from the moment he was hired. Be a good dude, get better recruits, win enough games to maintain goodwill, then retire when we've got "our guy" lined up.
The problem is the guys they have aren't playing any better. Especially on the OL. I don't care how many stars were next to your name in HS, technique and effort work in every system. That's the reason you should be able to get off the bus and roll a team like NIU. "We're 40 lbs heavier than their front 4, we're gonna play harder and cleaner than them for 4 quarters and in the 4th, we'll run wild."
There's just no excuse for not being able to run the ball on a team when you're that much bigger than they are.
If the problem is just learning a new scheme we should have seen improvement as the year went on. We didn't. I think the main issue is a lack of talent. Guys like Stoltenberg are just not that good. And our rush ends and outside linebackers are a joke. The Davis twins are also learning and are just not there yet. Maybe they never will be. But they seem to have the tools to get better
I think they're playing higher floor guys with lower ceilings because they're afraid of what their high ceiling guys will do (or won't do) if they put them in the game.
I get that, but it's also the same way you don't see a guy like Decker until the guy in front of him gets hurt. Or a career you-know-what like Knevel keeps starting at RT over guys who lack polish but at least have some salt to them. There's no button you press to just stop making mistakes. They happen, especially with young players. But if you keep a lid on guys with talent because you're scared of their mistakes, you can kill their motivation when they have to watch some guy who practices cleaner go out there and look like a scrub.
Cav is a joke. Another bad Riley decision. Our offensive line is the most underachieving aspect of the team. Some of those guys on our line were highly recruited four star and high three star guys. I know the stars are not infallible, but to have our entire line underperform is a tell.
Hard to wrap my head around what's wrong with the OL situation. I thought they had a pretty solid reputation for getting unheralded guys to play well at OrSt but that sure hasn't materialized in Lincoln. I don't know what it is, but the players look slow, unsure, and like they have no passion for finishing blocks.
Well said. I guess I shouldn't' be so quick to pin this all on Cav. But he is a convenient target. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere. It is definitely a mystery why they do not stay on blocks and finish them.
When you get a couple of kids in the room that intentionally over-finish blocks, or knock someone down and go find some else to knock down, the rest will look to do that as well. Want might be easier to find and recruit and harder to coach. But want can be bread in by team culture, just as crappy attitudes and factions are.
Don't take this personal but going for a 5 year plan? It seems like every time we turn around somebody has a different theory on what plan of action was going on with Riley resulting in where we are at. Cancers, roster issues, scheme fits, scheme integration time frames......it just keeps going on with too many complicated ideas. When there is no rational reason to believe differently often the simplest explanations are the best..... Acoms razor......Mike Riley is just an average coach.
I can’t figure out what defensive scheme it is that allows guys running across the field to be wide open. Guys running out patterns to be wide open. Running lanes so wide on 3rd and 3 and JT ran with ease for the first down. This isn’t just bad players. This was like I’ve never seen before.
Good post. And I don't want to be one of "those" posters but it is Ockham's razor.
But you are right... the goal post seems to be moving. Every year it is another excuse. What will it be next year?
At the end of the day that position group is his responsibility. Poor talent I can understand, but being slow off the ball and giving poor effort, that doesn't sit well with me.
Actually we were both wrong. When I goggled it initially it actually came up Acoms so I figured if it was on the internet it must be right. Its actually Occam's.
There are two spellings... Ockham and Occam. Both are correct. American philosophers tend to use Ockham. Trust me... I used to teach this useless and boring ****. Lol
Isn't the LB coach a hold over from Banker? Bray? Should have hired a Nebraska guy, isn't Colman coaching somewhere.... he wouldn't let this happen...
even army and unlv figure out how to get a stop here and there against ohio st. I now will refer to him as Bob iaco.
How can anyone believe that the coaches are even playing the best players? We see this at a few positions where due to injury, someone gets rotated in and looks way better than the starter. Or in another position where someone else continues to get starts, and has played mediocre and the 3rd string guy comes in and cleans house week after week.
I don't think it is a talent issue at all. I certainly don't think the coaches know how to evaluate talent, nor do they know how to develop it. This is ineptitude and incompetence at the coaching level, and it is Riley that makes all the personnel decisions.
But Diaco has coached some top defenses though. I do have faith in him if he is here more than 1 year. Not always easy to change a 'corporate culture' overnight among other issues discussed above. I think 'iaco' is a bit unfair
Players aren't blind. They can see that playing the Prevent Defense all game isn't setting the world on fire. Checking NCAA defensive rankings would bear it out as well.