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knightfan7

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If it can be as difficult a situation for a family who's been thru it 3 times, think about these kids who don't have the experience and support. There are staffs who are honest and straight forward and likely just as many who are snake oil salesmen.

On the other hand, it's a tough situation for coaches whose job can depend on who they can bring in but at least they understand the game going in.

There are always two sides to the story. We shouldn't be so quick to rip these kids who don't choose the school we want.
 

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@jmillj Thank you for commenting, I figured you would fill us in once all the dust settled. Glad Devin ended up in a good spot. I was hoping Devin & Elijah Barnwell would end up here when all was said and done, at least we got Eli. TE is being deemphasized in a lot of offenses and some of the TE's are more like split ends as they rarely if ever block. I think Marshall will be a good offense for his skillset.
 

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Ill informed? I won't link, but there is an article on NJ Com from Todderick Hunt on April 13 2016 that says he picked Houston over an offer from Rutgers. Exact words.

Now we are told he never had a firm offer from Rutgers.

Okay.

I don't know Todderick Hunt or what kind of reporter he is. Apparently Todderick Hunt got his facts wrong.

So just to clarify, he was initially told that the offer from the previous staff stood; but now in the age where you don't know if it was a "comittable" offer or not, who knows? So none of the writers were putting out bad info. We do know that 4 months later (after he decomitted) he did not have an offer (and RU still had no TE in the class). Regardless, it worked out. Glad my post could offer a different perspective to you guys.
 

Scarlet1984

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Ill informed? I won't link, but there is an article on NJ Com from Todderick Hunt on April 13 2016 that says he picked Houston over an offer from Rutgers. Exact words.

Now we are told he never had a firm offer from Rutgers.

Okay.

I don't know Todderick Hunt or what kind of reporter he is. Apparently Todderick Hunt got his facts wrong.

I'll stand by "ill-informed". You had one quote from one article and decided you knew the whole story.

I really didn't have any additional information about this specific situation (beyond was was public). However, just by reading things on this site about recruiting, as well as personal experience, I assumed it was not as "cut and dried" as you seemed to think.
 

AntiG

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So just to clarify, he was initially told that the offer from the previous staff stood; but now in the age where you don't know if it was a "comittable" offer or not, who knows? So none of the writers were putting out bad info. We do know that 4 months later (after he decomitted) he did not have an offer (and RU still had no TE in the class). Regardless, it worked out. Glad my post could offer a different perspective to you guys.
First hand experience is fantastic to read about. Very happy that it worked out for him!
 
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Not sure he has the same negative take (once again) as you. I'm not sure if he had to choose between the two he would have picked RU. To each his own. Smaller conference, but a very passionate football school with quite a few solid seasons since the mid 90s.



Sure--because you know the details of what happened, and the motives of everyone involved, right?? This is just an ignorant comment.


He picked a school in April that he thought was the perfect fit based on the city, school, their use of the TE, and the lack of bodies in the TE room. Unfortunately, they got a TE bailing from Baylor in late July (with 3 years in a college S&C program)--after Devin and one other local TE committed which led to them asking him to gray shirt. (Of course, they couldn't ask the same from the local guy from the big HS that they needed a lasting relationship with. Tough lesson learned.) He passed on that option (we took the hint), but since he was loyal to his commitment, he had extremely limited contact with other schools interested in him. So by the time he had this talk with Houston, and decommitted at then end of July, several spots were filled (at a position where most schools only take one guy per class), as the other schools had moved on.

He had a few options remaining, but wanted to wait for a couple official visits before making a decision again. And, RU seemed less interested (ex: no written offer sent in August). Fast forward, and you have 4 coaching changes that affected his options greatly (ex: He didn't hear from one new staff at all at a school he had a written offer from. Turns out, the new coach got the commit from his previous school to follow him to the new school.) As time passed, it looked like RU was close to offering, but ultimately fell into the group with coaching changes (i.e. Coach Kill as new OC) resulting in them "going a different direction," which seemed to be code for them taking 6-5/6-6 TEs only.

This said, as a family, we feel extremely blessed that Marshall became an option very late in the game. I've told close friends that I can genuinely say that it is an option he would have been extremely pleased with under any condition, regardless of how late it developed.

In the end, we learned a few more valuable lessons. Here's one: don't believe much when it comes to coaches and recruiting--they all talk about "character" but very few finish the process exhibiting much on their end. Specifically, after months of talking, you'd be shocked (or, maybe not) by the number of coaches that don't have the decency to tell you they are "moving on." Most kids would rather hear the truth--that perhaps you aren't the top guy or they found someone better. Instead, you get radio silence in the form of unanswered calls, texts, emails, etc. once they get to the point where they realize you can't do anything for them.

With that in mind, my philosophy has changed in regard to what I will be advising players and parents to do. I'm now in the group that will tell a kid to commit early in the process, and don't hesitate to change your mind every time you get an offer you perceive as a "better" one--whatever that might mean to them. Because coaches will sure as hell be doing the same.

Clearly, it's been a frustrating process. I'm writing partially to vent/get things off my chest, and also because I know some have been genuinely curious about what happened. In the end, we couldn't be happier as a family with the outcome and truly feel it resulted in a "meant to be" situation, and we also couldn't be prouder of Devin. We hold no resentment towards RU, and they are NOT in the majority group of coaches I was referencing above. Coach Okruch was always straight forward and always stayed in touch. We can't wait to watch Dorian's final season while Devin gets bigger and stronger while most likely redshirting--creating no viewing conflicts for the Millers.

#3for3

Thanks for the response. You definitely didn't have to, but appreciate the candor. Just another example of how 'slimy' the business of recruiting can be, and that the kids & their families have to watch out for themselves. It was fortunate that this wasn't your first rodeo, and knew the ropes, but still sucked for you that it still caused a bit of anxiety. Would an early signing period have helped Devin's situation? Maybe not if a new staff came after that period, but maybe it helps firm up your view of the situation.

Good luck to Devin!!
 
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yesrutgers01

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Mr Miller- thank you for your responses. Recruiting has changed a ton since we went through it in 2005. One of the things that I always try to convey, as many people who think they know what is going on in recruiting, not even the parents or sometimes the player know exactly what is happening either.
It sucks to have to go through the whirlwind but it is great when your kid ends up somewhere they really feel good about. One of the great things about this, Marshall is one of the schools that is really easy to cheer for.
You have been blessed to have 3 sons now go through this. I had 5 years as a parent and would have loved to have had many many more at the college level.
And as you see, I did say blessed and not lucky. I know damn well how hard your kids work to make school and football happen at this level. There is no luck to hard work.
 

RJM_Go_RU

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I'll stand by "ill-informed". You had one quote from one article and decided you knew the whole story.

I really didn't have any additional information about this specific situation (beyond was was public). However, just by reading things on this site about recruiting, as well as personal experience, I assumed it was not as "cut and dried" as you seemed to think.

"I had no information" = definition of ill-informed
 

RUPete

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I am glad you are happy. And I am glad you don't hold anything against Rutgers. Reading your long response, it does not appear Rutgers did anything wrong so I am not sure why you would even suggest you hold anything against Rutgers. You also say Marshall was a better choice in the end. So what's the problem? Good luck.
I think the problem is posters talking out their asses again. This thread reinforces the think before you type rule.
 
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Scarlet1984

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"I had no information" = definition of ill-informed

Not sure where you're coming from.

Are you conceding the point?

Fyi, while I didn't have a lot of direct info, I had some insight (in general and in this situation specifically). Really not just some idiot posting in a thread.
 

RJM_Go_RU

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Not sure where you're coming from.

Are you conceding the point?

Fyi, while I didn't have a lot of direct info, I had some insight (in general and in this situation specifically). Really not just some idiot posting in a thread.
Glad you think you are not an idiot. Must help you get by each day.
 

yesrutgers01

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Actually an article from Todderick Hunt but nice try.

Yes, and TH is very good but he will tell you that everything is recruiting is fluid and changescday to day. As Mr Miller explained, even family runs blind at times in this nasty business.
Anyone that thinks they know what is going on because they read something, knows nothing. It isn't an insult, it's the reality
 

RJM_Go_RU

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Yes, and TH is very good but he will tell you that everything is recruiting is fluid and changescday to day. As Mr Miller explained, even family runs blind at times in this nasty business.
Anyone that thinks they know what is going on because they read something, knows nothing. It isn't an insult, it's the reality
TH will not tell me anything as I don't know him personally, but apparently you do know TH personally. So let me ask you then - when TH wrote that the offer for Houston was accepted over an offer from Rutgers, there was actually no offer from Rutgers outstanding? So why did your good friend TH write this?
 

yesrutgers01

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TH will not tell me anything as I don't know him personally, but apparently you do know TH personally. So let me ask you then - when TH wrote that the offer for Houston was accepted over an offer from Rutgers, there was actually no offer from Rutgers outstanding? So why did your good friend TH write this?

I'm not sure why I am dragged into this. Please read the posts by Mr Miller. My ONZlY point is that T Hunt, John O and staff, other sites and their staffs, family of players, coaches and everyone else- never hold the whole story. And it changes every day. Ex- we went through all of our OV's , had offers in hand, and discussed with our son. But the day he decided to tell us his choice, we all went out to dinner, invited his HS head coach and let him tell us. If you had polled us the day before, all 3 of us had a different opinion of where he was choosing. Little did we know that there were sites and message boards that thought they knew before we even had appetizers. Lol
 

RJM_Go_RU

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So we all agree - I think - that none of us can be assured we have complete mastery of the facts. For example, here we have a respected journalist (who you said is "very good"), TH, write that an offer from Houston was accepted over an offer from Rutgers. But, we now come to learn, apparently, there was some legitimate doubts about the bona fides of such offer. Fine. Let's move on.
 

Scarlet1984

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So we all agree - I think - that none of us can be assured we have complete mastery of the facts. For example, here we have a respected journalist (who you said is "very good"), TH, write that an offer from Houston was accepted over an offer from Rutgers. But, we now come to learn, apparently, there was some legitimate doubts about the bona fides of such offer. Fine. Let's move on.

Switching gears...really, how old are you? You sound like you're 19.
 

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"I had no information" = definition of ill-informed

Yeah, no. That would be uninformed. Ill informed = having inaccurate or incomplete information. That's you.

While you're referencing a dictionary to verify that I'm correct and you're wrong for like the 4th time in this thread, thumb on over to "bullheaded" and familiarize yourself with that one. I think you'll agree you and it are a match in heaven.

Then, stop making a (bullheaded) fool of yourself and don't respond here anymore.
 

RUtix4me

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The last 20 posts are senseless drivle, would all of you just drop it. You sound like a group a kindergarten student arguing over who took the last snack. My god could you all just give it a rest or take it private email accounts or something.

The recruits dad came on explained the process, its done its over. Instead we have 20 posts of childish name calling.
 

late knight

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The last 20 posts are senseless drivle, would all of you just drop it. You sound like a group a kindergarten student arguing over who took the last snack. My god could you all just give it a rest or take it private email accounts or something.

The recruits dad came on explained the process, its done its over. Instead we have 20 posts of childish name calling.