Deshaun Watson 24th accuser. Details

Dude has some issues. Which are totally normal issues that we shouldn't be uptight about, according to like 25% of the board.

Lot of people would be calling for him to be burned at the stake if he had the success he had in Athens or Columbia

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

That’s the thing man. Nobody is actually claiming rape or attempted rape. The media keeps comparing it to Trevor Bauer which is insane. He damn near killed a woman. This is basically people saying he made them very uncomfortable or touched them with a piece of his body or fluids etc.

One woman did say he forced her to give him oral. No charges for that, though, so maybe there wasn't much evidence of it.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Well, to be fair, the defendants claim is that they are actual licensed massage therapists and not just sex workers.

No judgement here, just waiting to see how it plays out. But, it certainly appears(key word) that DW could've/should've gone to actual sex workers to get his happy-ending "fix" and this wouldn't have been an issue. But, he wanted to get his rocks off spanking it it to attractive Insta-hoes who also are LMTs and got any with it a few times and kept coming back for more.

LOL at using "sex workers" and "Insta-hoes" in the same post. Amazing how quickly the fringe-y politicized language gets adopted when it's imposed by enough of the right people.

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

HTF did it take 14 posts before someone said the obvious. As long as this goes before a male judge, I guarantee it gets thrown out with great laughter.

Judge, "You were giving the defendant a massage, OK. He got a boner, and you were so disgusted and or offended, you ran out of the room?? What, no, you didn't? You stayed to watch him stroke the salami, and remained close enough to him so that he jizzed all over your face and chest?? GTFO of my courtroom! You're a *****, or at the very least a slut, and you will get nothing from this court!"

It's really not that hard to figure out how this would've happened the way she said. I mean, all that would've needed to happen is that she was telling him to stop, he didn't, and he jizzed on her. It also says that he got up from the table while still masturbating, asked her "where do you want me to put it," and that's when he ejaculated on her.

Weird misogynistic fantasy, though.

 

[Trading Tiger]

It's really not that hard to figure out how this would've happened the way she said. I mean, all that would've needed to happen is that she was telling him to stop, he didn't, and he jizzed on her. It also says that he got up from the table while still masturbating, asked her "where do you want me to put it," and that's when he ejaculated on her.

Weird misogynistic fantasy, though.

 

[stigers91]

It's really not that hard to figure out how this would've happened the way she said. I mean, all that would've needed to happen is that she was telling him to stop, he didn't, and he jizzed on her. It also says that he got up from the table while still masturbating, asked her "where do you want me to put it," and that's when he ejaculated on her.

Weird misogynistic fantasy, though.

Okay he got up from the table.

She got on her knees? Or he hit her in the face both standing up?

Was she wearing clothes and has the ***** sample to prove it ala Clinton? Or she was naked?

Why is she coming forward now?

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

Okay he got up from the table.

She got on her knees? Or he hit her in the face both standing up?

Was she wearing clothes and has the ***** sample to prove it ala Clinton? Or she was naked?

Why is she coming forward now?

Let's say she's 5'2" and he's 6'3". Maybe he was standing on something. If it hit her in the face, it easily could've dripped down, or she could've been wearing something where at least part of her chest was exposed. She may not have wanted to say anything until it looked like Watson might "get away with it." None of this is infeasible unless you're just not willing to be charitable at all.

 

[jarrod.moore]

 

[152thinblueline]

if the dude came to her apartment knowing full well what he intended on doing and then proceeded to ejaculate on her and her face, then he's an *******. Just because he's a clemson guy and good at football doesn't mean he should be able to keep playing.

She had time to leave, yet she stayed. That doesn't seem the least bit awkward to you? It sounds like sour grapes to me, nothing illegal. She wanted a rich boyfriend and he said no, but thanks for your service... she big mad. Correction all 24 are big mad... don't hate the playa hate the game.

 

[152thinblueline]

I personally think he has served enough punishment for the joke this has been. The NFL should sit down and shut up. Play on DW4

 

She had time to leave, yet she stayed. That doesn't seem the least bit awkward to you? It sounds like sour grapes to me, nothing illegal. She wanted a rich boyfriend and he said no, but thanks for your service... she big mad. Correction all 24 are big mad... don't hate the playa hate the game.

Cynical enough to say that all 24 are lying, not cynical enough to say, maybe, just maybe, Deshaun Watson is a scumbag. Intriguing

 

[Orangefanta]

She had time to leave, yet she stayed. That doesn't seem the least bit awkward to you? It sounds like sour grapes to me, nothing illegal. She wanted a rich boyfriend and he said no, but thanks for your service... she big mad. Correction all 24 are big mad... don't hate the playa hate the game.

Are you a police officer ?

 

[152thinblueline]

Are you a police officer ?

Yep

 

[152thinblueline]

Cynical enough to say that all 24 are lying, not cynical enough to say, maybe, just maybe, Deshaun Watson is a scumbag. Intriguing

All these accusers just happened to come out after he demanded the a trade from Texans and they were losing regular money with him leaving the state.... I think it started small with maybe a couple women mad that he was leaving, then their lawyer talked up the case and got them thinking $$$$$

 

[152thinblueline]

Are you a police officer ?

Now that being said... is DW4's behavior how I would act? Certainly not. But that doesn't make him a criminal. Unethical, yes, but thats about it...

 

[ddot7]

I think like with most situations, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but especially because of Buzbee’s approach and the Grand Juries not indicting DW, he f*cked up but he’s not exactly the monster Buzbee wants the public to believe. Just a bit of a deviant and that’ll get him suspended because of the NFL’s image issues and the publicity from this at a minimum.

He probably did make a couple girls uncomfortable or something, once again what the exact truth is we’ll never know. It seems like most are looking for a payday which sucks for any that may have been wronged. Without having all of the evidence though, it’s harder to really form an opinion. If there are texts from some of them talking about how they’re gonna lie/get paid, for example, that’s pretty telling just as it would be if there’s evidence girls talked about DW assaulting them or whatever immediately after.

I do think if we’re being honest though, if this was a former UGA player or something, even if he was supposed to have been this great guy, many on this board would have a much different view, myself included, to be fair.

Also, the idea that women who are a victim of sexual assault should’ve just run/leave, etc is pretty unfortunate. A lot of women are afraid of escalated violence and/or other consequences, particularly from men in power which is part of the reason you see those type of men (Weinstein, Cosby, Epstein, and on and on) get away with it along with using money to cover their wrongdoings. There’s the idea that people will never believe her and/or nothing will be done, plus for a long time it’s been the stigma that she’ll be branded as a slut or damaged goods. It’s really unfortunate how women are almost conditioned to not handle these situations and why so many “give in” and ultimately keep quiet.

If you know/care about anyone that’s ever experienced it and is willing to talk about it, it’s sad. Similar to domestic violence. I’ve had a couple female friends and dated a couple others who’ve been through either (possibly both). I realized how drastically a friend changed after being raped but not being aware that it had happened until a couple years later. Great girl who just was never the same and the stigma surrounding it towards women as victims played a part along with how many men get away with it.

Maybe all of that doesn’t apply to DW’s situation specifically but the “why didn’t she leave?” thing on its own is a bit misguided IMO.

 

[Orangefanta]

Yep

Interesting

 

[ChicagoTiger85]

I think like with most situations, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but especially because of Buzbee’s approach and the Grand Juries not indicting DW, he f*cked up but he’s not exactly the monster Buzbee wants the public to believe. Just a bit of a deviant and that’ll get him suspended because of the NFL’s image issues and the publicity from this at a minimum.

He probably did make a couple girls uncomfortable or something, once again what the exact truth is we’ll never know. It seems like most are looking for a payday which sucks for any that may have been wronged. Without having all of the evidence though, it’s harder to really form an opinion. If there are texts from some of them talking about how they’re gonna lie/get paid, for example, that’s pretty telling just as it would be if there’s evidence girls talked about DW assaulting them or whatever immediately after.

I do think if we’re being honest though, if this was a former UGA player or something, even if he was supposed to have been this great guy, many on this board would have a much different view, myself included, to be fair.

Also, the idea that women who are a victim of sexual assault should’ve just run/leave, etc is pretty unfortunate. A lot of women are afraid of escalated violence and/or other consequences, particularly from men in power which is part of the reason you see those type of men (Weinstein, Cosby, Epstein, and on and on) get away with it along with using money to cover their wrongdoings. There’s the idea that people will never believe her and/or nothing will be done, plus for a long time it’s been the stigma that she’ll be branded as a slut or damaged goods. It’s really unfortunate how women are almost conditioned to not handle these situations and why so many “give in” and ultimately keep quiet.

If you know/care about anyone that’s ever experienced it and is willing to talk about it, it’s sad. Similar to domestic violence. I’ve had a couple female friends and dated a couple others who’ve been through either (possibly both). I realized how drastically a friend changed after being raped but not being aware that it had happened until a couple years later. Great girl who just was never the same and the stigma surrounding it towards women as victims played a part along with how many men get away with it.

Maybe all of that doesn’t apply to DW’s situation specifically but the “why didn’t she leave?” thing on its own is a bit misguided IMO.

You can also add, here, the big size differential with a professional athlete, and the pressure somebody might feel to let a professional athlete misbehave because of the business they can get and because of their influence.

 

[152thinblueline]

Interesting

How so, that I have my own opinions?

 

[152thinblueline]

I think like with most situations, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but especially because of Buzbee’s approach and the Grand Juries not indicting DW, he f*cked up but he’s not exactly the monster Buzbee wants the public to believe. Just a bit of a deviant and that’ll get him suspended because of the NFL’s image issues and the publicity from this at a minimum.

He probably did make a couple girls uncomfortable or something, once again what the exact truth is we’ll never know. It seems like most are looking for a payday which sucks for any that may have been wronged. Without having all of the evidence though, it’s harder to really form an opinion. If there are texts from some of them talking about how they’re gonna lie/get paid, for example, that’s pretty telling just as it would be if there’s evidence girls talked about DW assaulting them or whatever immediately after.

I do think if we’re being honest though, if this was a former UGA player or something, even if he was supposed to have been this great guy, many on this board would have a much different view, myself included, to be fair.

Also, the idea that women who are a victim of sexual assault should’ve just run/leave, etc is pretty unfortunate. A lot of women are afraid of escalated violence and/or other consequences, particularly from men in power which is part of the reason you see those type of men (Weinstein, Cosby, Epstein, and on and on) get away with it along with using money to cover their wrongdoings. There’s the idea that people will never believe her and/or nothing will be done, plus for a long time it’s been the stigma that she’ll be branded as a slut or damaged goods. It’s really unfortunate how women are almost conditioned to not handle these situations and why so many “give in” and ultimately keep quiet.

If you know/care about anyone that’s ever experienced it and is willing to talk about it, it’s sad. Similar to domestic violence. I’ve had a couple female friends and dated a couple others who’ve been through either (possibly both). I realized how drastically a friend changed after being raped but not being aware that it had happened until a couple years later. Great girl who just was never the same and the stigma surrounding it towards women as victims played a part along with how many men get away with it.

Maybe all of that doesn’t apply to DW’s situation specifically but the “why didn’t she leave?” thing on its own is a bit misguided IMO.

I can buy into this...

 

[TylerHumpFrow13]

i’m not really buying comparing the face of a billion dollar organization to a welder.

What if he's a really famous and wealthy welder?

 

[Spare Jock]

What if he's a really famous and wealthy welder?

well of course

 

[blacklion15]

I don't think he did anything criminally wrong but he certainly ain't innocent in all of this. Watch the deposition tapes. Looks bad. Nothing criminally wrong but he wasn't just looking to get messages. He should have just went to a brothel if sex is all he wanted

This. Sad to see some people on here defend him. Also laughable to think 24 different people are lying…I get that a few could fabricate for money but there is a trend here. It’s sad he is a Clemson alum.

 

[Purplestuffs]

Some things said are probably true, but knowing how women are im sure most of this is fabricated as hell.

 

[brandoncross]

Dude has some issues. Which are totally normal issues that we shouldn't be uptight about, according to like 25% of the board.

What I’m wondering is what percentage of the NFL has these issues. Is that another reason the NFL hasn’t come down on him yet? If you know 70% of your corporation is doing the same thing, do you save face and let it slide?

 

[brandoncross]

You can also add, here, the big size differential with a professional athlete, and the pressure somebody might feel to let a professional athlete misbehave because of the business they can get and because of their influence.

You don’t think they knew what they were getting into when they flew into Houston for a 4x over priced massage session?

And let’s make sure I make myself clear, I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying the “victims” aren’t innocent here.

 

[TigerGrowls]

They have grounds based on “conduct detrimental to the league” which was agreed upon by the NFL and NFLPA and essentially gives the NFL the authority to suspend as they see fit to protect the shield

That said he’s getting paid regardless

This is the classic he said she said deal. No proof at all from the accusers.

 

[Esso Porch]

This is the classic he said she said deal. No proof at all from the accusers.

OK so tell me then how the NFL can't suspend him based off of the "conduct detrimental to the league" policy based off it being a "he said, she said" deal

 

This is the classic he said she said deal. No proof at all from the accusers.

Certainly not a great deal of proof from the looks of it, but it’s not hard to imagine scenarios where something criminal did take place regardless. What is a victim supposed to do in that scenario?

And I’ll add that it undoubtedly does happen. I’m sure women lie or at the minimum embellish assault claims, and I’m equally as sure men downplay incidents or lie themselves and get away with it.

Not going to crucify Deshaun when the court didn’t move even forward to indict him, but I don’t know if anyone can say with a straight face that they think he did absolutely nothing criminal

 

[64cocky]

Deshaun is a freak and the women are Instagram "models" loosely posing as massage therapists. Both can be absolutely true

 

[TigerGrowls]

OK so tell me then how the NFL can't suspend him based off of the "conduct detrimental to the league" policy based off it being a "he said, she said" deal

Is it DW4's fault that the media has hyped this up as if some punishment is guaranteed? I will agree with you though that the NFL will slap him with some punishment just to virtue signal basically.

 

[Esso Porch]

Is it DW4's fault that the media has hyped this up as if some punishment is guaranteed? I will agree with you though that the NFL will slap him with some punishment just to virtue signal basically.

I don't care whether they suspend him or not. I was just saying that they were within their rights to do so and he will pretty much have to accept the punishment. There is a chance the NFLPA would go to bat for him to try and get it reduced

 

[TigerGrowls]

Certainly not a great deal of proof from the looks of it, but it’s not hard to imagine scenarios where something criminal did take place regardless. What is a victim supposed to do in that scenario?

And I’ll add that it undoubtedly does happen. I’m sure women lie or at the minimum embellish assault claims, and I’m equally as sure men downplay incidents or lie themselves and get away with it.

Not going to crucify Deshaun when the court didn’t move even forward to indict him, but I don’t know if anyone can say with a straight face that they think he did absolutely nothing criminal

We cannot say he did or did not, but it was decided by 2 grand juries that saw detailed evidence or lack of that he would not be charged. I think the court of public opinion in general is against him at this time. I am with him as I believe this whole thing was hatched by the Texans owner in conjunction with his neighbor who is the scuzbag lawyer handling these women. These additional suits are not just random. I think he is holding them like cards to be played when he thinks he needs it. Watson will end up paying some money and probably get suspended, but it will be without hard evidence.

 

[JAMCRACKER99]

If this were about a former Gamecock damn near everyone on this board would think he was guilty. I'm going to let it all play out and see what further details come out during the civil case trials. I currently believe that the truth lies somewhere in between. I still have a DW4 picture on the wall of my Clemson room, but it may or may not stay there depending on what I believe once this is all completed.

 

[TopGun01]

Fairpoint. However Watson is the face of a billion dollar organization. You cant have a guy ejaculating all over women and have them be the face of your franchise.

Well, seems I remember a certain Prez doing something similar and he was the face of the most important country in the world.

 

[StSimonsIslandTiger]

The grand juries didn't endite because there was no evidence. It takes nothing but the want to of the prosecutor to get an enditement. The two district attorney's knew there was no grounds to bring charges but because of the sensitive nature of this case they didn't want to face the feminist backlash for not charging so they both let it go to the grand jury so they could wash their hands of the whole thing.

A grand jury not indicting does not mean "there was no evidence." There could well be evidence, just not enough or strong enough to likely get a conviction. It may well have been borderline in the prosecutor's mind, so they let the grand jury decide- I agree it is their way of handwashing themselves of the matter to avoid criticism either way.

 

[TigerFlow]

LOL at using "sex workers" and "Insta-hoes" in the same post. Amazing how quickly the fringe-y politicized language gets adopted when it's imposed by enough of the right people.

Uh, ok bud. I'm not going to get into an argument with you, but your statement is pointless.
Language evolves. People create and use terminology and it gets adopted by the masses. Nothing new there.

Also, I wouldn't consider either of those terms to be politicized. Or, "fringe-y" to be honest.


"Fringe-y" - now there's a term I'm not going to expect to see ever again.

 

[TigerinLA]

It's amazing how people are willing to look the other way when it's a player from Clemson. Just imagine if this were a USC player. Ya'll would be crucifying him.

Love the hypocrisy and the fact some of you guys are all blinded by your own biases.

 

[spskillz]

A grand jury not indicting does not mean "there was no evidence." There could well be evidence, just not enough or strong enough to likely get a conviction. It may well have been borderline in the prosecutor's mind, so they let the grand jury decide- I agree it is their way of handwashing themselves of the matter to avoid criticism either way.

Well, in SC just 12-18 have to say it’s just probable that someone did the crime. Extremely low standard. Not certain if it’s the same for Texas but don’t feel like looking it up.

 

[spskillz]

It's amazing how people are willing to look the other way when it's a player from Clemson. Just imagine if this were a USC player. Ya'll would be crucifying him.

Love the hypocrisy and the fact some of you guys are all blinded by your own biases.

When there was no indictment, the girls hired a dirt bag attorney, and the available facts prove pay for play, there is no reason to crucify our own.

You act as if the general public overwhelmingly hates 4 but we don’t. This guy got $230 million guaranteed during this. They don’t do that blindly.