Derek Simpson 2.0

[seansherm]

Mam you obviously never played basketball at any competitive level so maybe you should ask your husband to help you in this discussion. I will try to explain this in the most simplest terms to you. When Lino drove the ball to the hoop, there weren't often any options other than to shoot because front court players either couldn't catch or couldn't finish

This one is pretty silly. A good player makes the right play, do your job, if someone else doesn't do theirs they won't be out there. I like Lino's future, but he did not look to pass, almost ever, but especially when he drove. It was eyes at rim. Not all that abnormal for a freshman when the game is still fast for them.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

This one is pretty silly. A good player makes the right play, do your job, if someone else doesn't do theirs they won't be out there. I like Lino's future, but he did not look to pass, almost ever, but especially when he drove. It was eyes at rim. Not all that abnormal for a freshman when the game is still fast for them.

This is true, but I think it’s also true that we played a deliberate iso focused style (even more than usual) this year because of the lack of scoring options in the paint. Meaning he was probably on less of a leash than he might otherwise have been on.

Now arguably we could’ve tried to use Ogbole more on offense, but keep in mind he only played 19 mpg and was prone to offensive fouls.

 

[seansherm]

This is true, but I think it’s also true that we played a deliberate iso focused style (even more than usual) this year because of the lack of scoring options in the paint. Meaning he was probably on less of a leash than he might otherwise have been on.

Now arguably we could’ve tried to use Ogbole more on offense, but keep in mind he only played 19 mpg and was prone to offensive fouls.

I think the deliberate isolation has always been the offense, not something just for this year. Agree on Ogbole, and when I've said play like we have a center, that really probably only means another two/three post touches a night. Just to even pretend the position was a threat. Besides, even EO's mediocre 50% shooting for a big was better than everyone else.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I think the deliberate isolation has always been the offense, not something just for this year. Agree on Ogbole, and when I've said play like we have a center, that really probably only means another two/three post touches a night. Just to even pretend the position was a threat. Besides, even EO's mediocre 50% shooting for a big was better than everyone else.

Agreed - but look, part of it was his tendency to pick up charges. Hes physical down there and as it was we were only able to keep him on the court 19 mpg. Pike’s opening play of the game was often a call for EO.

And yes, we always play more iso than most teams. My point was this particular year it had to be the bulk of our offense because of our limitations. Our most negative fans on here will say our guards stunk at penetration too, but that’s relative statement. The 2023-24 guards, for example, truly “stunk” at that. They were bad in iso and in transition. Getting the ball to an established Cliff was our very clear best option. So in that case IMO the context of Derek failing to get the ball to him and taking so many shots himself was very different than the situation Tariq and Lino were in with their decision making. That’s all I really meant.

 

[seansherm]

Agreed - but look, part of it was his tendency to pick up charges. Hes physical down there and as it was we were only able to keep him on the court 19 mpg. Pike’s opening play of the game was often a call for EO.

And yes, we always play more iso than most teams. My point was this particular year it had to be the bulk of our offense because of our limitations. Our most negative fans on here will say our guards stunk at penetration too, but that’s relative statement. The 2023-24 guards, for example, truly “stunk” at that. They were bad in iso and in transition. Getting the ball to an established Cliff was our very clear best option. So in that case IMO the context of Derek failing to get the ball to him and taking so many shots himself was very different than the situation Tariq and Lino were in with their decision making. That’s all I really meant.

All fair