this lends itself to the rumor that the defense voted to play in a bowl, but the offense did not.
Deontai is back!
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In before jlb finds a statistic to prove those offense are garbage, but somehow also great when they play teams like Minnesota and Iowa.
My biggest concern was that Mills would leave and we wouldn't have a back that could bring home the groceries. I think Frost's biggest mistake was deciding to bench AMart. Luke got a win against PSU (who was in the middle of working their own issues out), then got humiliated against the Illini who had his number. Did the offense have it's issues? Yes. Did Martinez average almost six yards a carry and complete over 70% of his passes? Also yes.
The difference in the offense's operation with a healthy Mills vs. injured/not available was marked. Stepp's addition was big. He's proven that he can effectively run the ball vs. P5 competition and he's a bigger back. He may not even be a lock to start, but he sets a baseline for competition in the room. NU win's every game but tOSU if it had a running game as effective as AMart's frosh year with Ziggy. I see the development of an effective running game as critical. I'm not worried about the passing game, nor am I really concerned with the departure of WanRob. Was he a good player? Yes. Really good? At times. There are a number of good pieces in the WR room and a core group will emerge over the Spring.
This is the B1G. If you run the ball, you can win. If you can't, you don't. It's that simple. If NU can run the ball effectively with the defense players it has, it can win in the B1G this fall.
The difference in the offense's operation with a healthy Mills vs. injured/not available was marked. Stepp's addition was big. He's proven that he can effectively run the ball vs. P5 competition and he's a bigger back. He may not even be a lock to start, but he sets a baseline for competition in the room. NU win's every game but tOSU if it had a running game as effective as AMart's frosh year with Ziggy. I see the development of an effective running game as critical. I'm not worried about the passing game, nor am I really concerned with the departure of WanRob. Was he a good player? Yes. Really good? At times. There are a number of good pieces in the WR room and a core group will emerge over the Spring.
This is the B1G. If you run the ball, you can win. If you can't, you don't. It's that simple. If NU can run the ball effectively with the defense players it has, it can win in the B1G this fall.
the less AM has the ball in his hands, the better.
run it (70%+ of the time), kill clock, make FGs, lean on the defense.
2 things...
Surprised you didn’t talk about all the guys in the secondary who will transfer now.
And also surprised that you think the younger guys don’t have to work for their position. The seniors should just leave so the young guys can inherit the positions without working for it.
At safety, NU has two frosh, plus Farmer and NPG on scholarship in addition to Deontai and Dismuke. To the folks worried about transfers, I'd say a guy like Farmer has quite a bit of playing time in front of him this coming Fall. If anything, NU is thin at that position and the return of the vets in a godsend.
I totally agree... Bingo has just made it a habit to talk about each position group and the attrition whenever someone commits. Was just surprised that didn’t happen this time.
It's one guy. Where's everyone else saying this and transferring? Wandale leaving was more Wandale than the program. "It's not you, it's me. "
From what I've seen, if you can play a lick, you're going to get reps in the secondary on Saturdays and get at least some chance to prove yourself.
D Will is a great guy to get back...he can make some big plays. Has a little better coverage and speed than Dismuke
JD Spielman is one, and Marcus Fleming is another.
My point is this: Losing the absolute best player you have on offense, especially when they are only a sophomore, is never a good thing. Wandale can say whatever he wants about this having to do with being closer to his mother, but I think we're all able to see through that and realize what the root cause truly is.
Wandale was the face of this team and he chose to leave. That's very troubling.
he said it was 50/50 between personal stuff and the offense, with specific quotes about usage.
I don't think he minced his words at all.
Feel free to interpret his comments however you'd like, but I seriously doubt the split anywhere close to 50/50.
There was a lot of talk about him transferring after last season due to usage, but I don't recall anything being said about proximity to family being a factor in that. Now I understand his mother got COVID and was hospitalized as a result, but don't you think we would have heard something about him being homesick last year if that really was the case?
I love it. Now we aren’t supposed to take him at his word. He says one thing but obviously he didn’t mean what he said. Just because he didn’t say proximity to family was an issue last year doesn’t mean it isn’t today. And with the kind of year we had last year with Covid, political unrest and the like, it absolutely makes sense that some would like to be closer to home. Now, maybe he goes to Oregon state. If so, then we know absolutely he was just blowing smoke. But let’s see where he goes before calling his words less than sincere.
What’s to interpret? He didn’t like how he was used and wants to get closer to home while finding a better offense.
I’m not calling his words insincere, I’m simply stating that I believe Wandale’s leaving had a lot more to do with his long term football career than it did with being closer to home. That’s it, nothing more nothing less.
Wandale will be missed on this team, and for a lot more than just his production on the field as I do think he was a lead driver of the culture that Frost is trying to instill in the offense.
So basically we want to become much more like Northwestern, Iowa and Wisconsin. I actually agree with this as those teams win in this conference and sure have had our number lately. Its just funny that when Frost was hired, we were going to change the league with a potent, up tempo offense and risk taking defense. Remember teams were going to have to adjust to us. Now we’re just going to become one of the pack in the West. Not saying that its wrong as I think its the right thing to do, I just find it funny I guess.
The amount of good in this post outweighs the entirety of good that took place in 2020.
The young guys have every opportunity to beat them out. Go into spring ball and prove you are better.
While this may be true, you are going to great lengths to convince everyone here that this is the real reason for his departure. All I’m saying is there are A LOT of factors likely weighing into his decision, and to focus in on his long term football career as the primary reason seems to be a stretch to me.
Maybe you are right. But I choose to look at his words for what they are, not for what they aren’t. And this last year was unprecedented in terms of garbage in the world around us.
Maybe he just wanted to get away from a conference that didn’t value football and go somewhere that did. That also could have been a factor. Truth be told, I think it’s a combination of things, with his football career being one of many reasons for the decision. We may never know, ultimately.
I admit. I did dri
seems like the defense has a lot of tough dudes that have some good leadership attributes
I could see someone like NPG getting frustrated. We don’t have much depth at Safety and seem to always have an injury there.
I think if he earns his spot he’d be able to see more shared time.
But I agree it won’t be good if guys get impatient and jump ship just because we don’t have many other young safeties coming up the ranks.
until we have a quarterback who can, you know, pass the football effectively (read: not two consecutive seasons as statistically the worst deep ball passer in the conference), we should basically play rugby.
I'm kinda split in my mind how I feel about Wandale leaving. Just being brutally honest here but if I'm him and I want to showcase my talents for the NFL, who is going to deliver the ball to him? AM is a 70% completion guy just as long as it is not downfield (generalizing here but it's true). LM ain't that guy, so who is?
Putting all that on the scale plus his courage in putting his body on the line for his team I can't find it in my heart to blame the young man.
Lol, playing football is literally putting your body on the line. I'm not sure I would say he has done anything courageous.
Agreed...I really feel like Troy Walters leaving had more of an impact on things than people realize. New wr and offensive coordinator coach we have has changed some things that change may have set some things back for the offense. They need time and practice .