I dont get it. What’s the similarity between him and Gilbert that makes this keep coming up? They have nothing in common, other than being former 5 stars.
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I dont get it. What’s the similarity between him and Gilbert that makes this keep coming up? They have nothing in common, other than being former 5 stars.
Me neither, perhaps the few that have asked the question can shed some light. The only thing I can think of, like you, is that they were both former 5 star players.
So you are comparing a hot girl to a guy who committed felony assault? Really? Talk about not getting it.
Yes, it’s totally normal and if you find it offensive you’re an idiot. Everyone deserves a second chance life (well most people) but only rare talents deserve a second chance on a full ride athletic scholarship to play D1 football. Do you get it now? We’re not in the business of giving just anyone a second chance to play D1 ball. We’re still trying to win football games, this ain’t make a wish where some random one time felon gets to play for the Huskers. So YES, only rare talents should get 2nd/3rd chances to play D1 football… derp
Don't think so. I'm for bring him in. Just posting what the U higher ups are thinking. Liabilities, ya know.
BTW, OJ wasn't proven guilty either.
Certain people get more chances in life. Hot girls, great athletes, rich kids.....
Is that really disputable?
Violating a protection order... domestic violence. No thanks. I'll take a 2-star Nebraska kid over the risks of this kid.
As far as I know Gilbert didn't transfer from LSU or Georgia because he was in trouble with the law. His troubles with the law started at Nebraska.
So the only parallel I see is both 5 star athletes and both play positions that catch the ball.
No ****.
If anything it is MORE offensive to pretend like it doesn't happen.
I have never seen a hot girl walk in for an interview and not get the job. Regardless of who was doing the hiring.
Hopefully you’re just being purposefully dense, so I think you know that the point is that currently they both look similar in character and previous talent. It all traces back to mental weakness for both of them. Both repeat offenders too, although this kid apparently not proven guilty. I’m all for giving him a shot.
Of course there’s higher odds of him not panning out due to these flaws, but as a program we are not in a position to pass up these opportunities. Arik Gilbert didn’t pan out but he was processed and did very minimal damage to the program.
As far as I can tell this latest incident was the first time he actually suffered any consequences for his actions. Maybe it has made him realize he needs to get his house in order. Hopefully suspension was enough whether he ends up at NU or somewhere else.
Yeah you just never know with these guys. Sometimes a change in address and situation can help them and sometimes it won't. It's always a crapshoot. Hell it's a crapshoot with all recruits if we are being completely honest.
I guess I'm more apt to giving guys second chances because I was someone who somebody gave a second chance to. A lot of us point fingers but none of us are who we were when we were 18-21 years old. At all made mistakes and some bigger than others.
I think a lot of it comes from jealousy. Some of these guys are upset because they wouldn't have been given a second chance. I get it but when you are an elite athlete you get a second, third, sometimes fourth chance. Not saying it's fair but it's just how it goes.
Whether he comes to Nebraska or not I hope he takes advantage of his chance and has a good career somewhere.
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To those unbothered by the thought of letting a woman beater into the university and allowing him the privilege (not a right) to play football, there is a more practical consideration: with his track record, should he beat up a woman here in Lincoln, the university can and will be sued for huge money because it knowingly brought in an abuser to the community.
The university also allowed Lawrence Phillips to play after a 6 or 7 game suspension for dragging a chick down a flight of stairs, they allowed other players to remain on campus after worse transgressions against women.
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Exactly my point. They took an unnecessary risk and got burned more than once (Christian Peter, Scott Baldwin).
Further, since UNL was stupid enough to open itself up to potential liability previously, it shouldn't be a worry this time? That makes no sense
Do you know how many students on campus have been charged with or plead guilty to domestic violence? Assault? Battery? How about faculty, especially those with tenure?
I don't, but I would be willing to bet a significant amount of money the answer is not zero. At some point, the government, the school, the athletic program is not responsible for the actions of everyone
To my knowledge, this player plead guilty to a couple of crimes. He served whatever punishment was required. He is on a 5 year probation and diversion program. If he stays out of trouble his record will be clean after that period of time.
The comments on here bring up something puzzling to me.
The Baylor coach was all but burned at the stake for ' doing nothing' about his players committing sexual assaults.
If a woman is sexually assaulted she should not go to a football coach. He cannot play police, jury, and jailer. He isnt qualified and there are systems in place to take care of it. A university should not 'investigate' crimes, they should only react to the justice systems actions.
Here is my top beef. If a woman tells a coach one of their players got rough with them should the coach suspend the player? I know they almost have to from a political angle but suspending a player for assault implies some degree of guilt. If the coach is wrong shouldn't he be sued? He can ruin the kids career.
The Baylor coach was all but burned at the stake for ' doing nothing' about his players committing sexual assaults.
If a woman is sexually assaulted she should not go to a football coach. He cannot play police, jury, and jailer. He isnt qualified and there are systems in place to take care of it. A university should not 'investigate' crimes, they should only react to the justice systems actions.
Here is my top beef. If a woman tells a coach one of their players got rough with them should the coach suspend the player? I know they almost have to from a political angle but suspending a player for assault implies some degree of guilt. If the coach is wrong shouldn't he be sued? He can ruin the kids career.
Joe Mixon punched a girl. He was a 5 star. He’s doing alright now as a top tier back in the NFL. Really haven’t had much trouble from him since.
This is where you put faith in Matt Rhule to see if he believes in the kid. People may say it rarely works out but have we had a coach to be a good mentor to young troubled guys since TO? Frost wasn’t that guy, Riley was a clown. Bo wouldn’t have messed with it. Too proud. And BC was never known to be tight with his players .
With the right coach, this works in Nebraska. TO helped many of troubled dudes turn out fine. Yes not all of them turned out to be choir boys. But there where definitely a lot of cases where the second chance was later proven a good chance taken. A preachers son seems like a great fit for that sort of thing. Nebraska is the state that brought the US boys town.
I served with troubled kids at Offutt who came from bigger inner city’s that said living in Nebraska was what helped them get their head right.
This is where you put faith in Matt Rhule to see if he believes in the kid. People may say it rarely works out but have we had a coach to be a good mentor to young troubled guys since TO? Frost wasn’t that guy, Riley was a clown. Bo wouldn’t have messed with it. Too proud. And BC was never known to be tight with his players .
With the right coach, this works in Nebraska. TO helped many of troubled dudes turn out fine. Yes not all of them turned out to be choir boys. But there where definitely a lot of cases where the second chance was later proven a good chance taken. A preachers son seems like a great fit for that sort of thing. Nebraska is the state that brought the US boys town.
I served with troubled kids at Offutt who came from bigger inner city’s that said living in Nebraska was what helped them get their head right.
Your normal is to apparently rank people based on a given ability without considering the person, that is my point. If a lesser person were in the same boat and the vote was to not bring them on board because they weren't talented enough then you have sold your soul.
I am all for giving second chances had to do it often as a school administrator but I didn't treat one class of people different than another. When the top dog player got caught drinking he got the same punishment as the bench warmer. And you wonder why we have a two tiered system in this country?
Answer these questions in your own mind, why was he dismissed from his first team? Why is Nebraska the only D1 offer he has so far? Apparently the administration and coaches weren't hesitant to dismiss him even though he was never "proven" guilty. Imagine the outrage if this repeated once he comes on campus, assuming he does. Of course, no one here has to stand up to the media and the girls parents. But it's all about winning right or in your words, something like that's how it is.
Simple, if someone comes to the coach with a complaint about a player the coach should report it through proper channels to athletic department and the university administration. Then tell the complainant to do the same.
The university should have systems in place to ensure that university police are involved, they should do the investigating or get the appropriate law enforcement agency involved to investigate.
If a woman is reporting a crime to the football coach and not campus police, that is a her problem. If someone where to assault a female in my life, I don't tell them to go to the accused boss and tell them. That is stupid.
The decision to suspend the player accused of a crime should never be left to the coach alone. The athletic department and university administration need to be involved.
By the time this gets to the point of suspension of a player, there will be adequate evidence of a crime or at least adequate evidence to further investigate a crime. My opinion is that if there was absolutely no crime committed or absolutely no transgression at all, that can be determined pretty quickly. So the chances a player's is suspended long enough for their career to be ruined would be pretty miniscule.
Lastly, if the university has adequate procedures in place, and doesn't leave all of these steps to a football coach, there would be no standing to sue the coach.
Much of the stuff at Baylor escalated because they did not have proper or adequate procedures in place. Also Briles took steps to keep things from the athletic department and the university administration.
Baylor was the exception and not the rule.
A couple of things.
As far as paragraph 1 goes. College football is all bout selecting a person on a given ability. So I am not sure this is selling your soul.
As far as paragraph 2 goes. As a school administrator it is your job to treat everyone as equal as possible. Taking a chance on a talented football player who committed a crime 3 years ago vs taking lesser player who has never committed a crime is not the same as two students getting caught drinking.
As far as paragraph 3 goes, I know why he was dismissed from aTm. Also he didn't have to be proven guilty, he plead guilty to the crimes, which answers question 1. As far as I know he served his sentence given by the court with the exception of the 5 years probation and that is only because it hasn't been 5 years yet. Why he doesn't have any other D1 offers, is irrelevant to me. As far as if he commits a crime again...what if he just wanted to come to UNL to finish his degree and get on with his life? Would that change your opinion as far as standing up to the girl's parents? If your answer is yes, then wouldn't you be the one ranking the person based on his ability to play football?
He has some serious baggage.
"In 2022, Demas was suspended from the Aggies for not attending class, according to the Houston Chronicle.
In March 2022, he got removed from the program after he was arrested on a family violence assault charge for, according to a Brazos County probable cause affidavit, pushing his then-girlfriend’s head into a wall and throwing her onto the floor. Demas pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of family violence in that case and, in July 2023, pleaded guilty to a third-degree felony charge of twice violating a protection order in 12 months.
In Demas' cases, the court allowed deferred adjudication — or diversion — that postpones a formal conviction pending the completion of probation or community service. Demas was sentenced, according to Brazos County records, to three years probation and 100 hours of community service.
According to reporting from the Chronicle, a previous girlfriend had also reported Demas to A&M in 2020 for an alleged domestic assault. Her name is attached to one of Demas' probation orders; Demas is to have no 'threatening or harassing contact' with her, according to the order."
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"In 2022, Demas was suspended from the Aggies for not attending class, according to the Houston Chronicle.
In March 2022, he got removed from the program after he was arrested on a family violence assault charge for, according to a Brazos County probable cause affidavit, pushing his then-girlfriend’s head into a wall and throwing her onto the floor. Demas pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of family violence in that case and, in July 2023, pleaded guilty to a third-degree felony charge of twice violating a protection order in 12 months.
In Demas' cases, the court allowed deferred adjudication — or diversion — that postpones a formal conviction pending the completion of probation or community service. Demas was sentenced, according to Brazos County records, to three years probation and 100 hours of community service.
According to reporting from the Chronicle, a previous girlfriend had also reported Demas to A&M in 2020 for an alleged domestic assault. Her name is attached to one of Demas' probation orders; Demas is to have no 'threatening or harassing contact' with her, according to the order."
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We’re not talking about the same thing, you’re conflating and diluting the issue to mean whatever you want it to be to fit your ridiculous assertion. (It’s offensive to suggest only rare talents deserve a second chance) I’m talking about D1 athletes who are going to get their entire college degree (plus NIL) paid in full. It’s already a pool of elite individuals, and only the best rise to the top.
I never said regular people don’t deserve 2nd/3rd chances in life, most everyone does, but only rare talents get a second chance (or even a 1st) at playing D1 football. You’re trying to divert from the topic and I really shouldn’t have even responded to your BS post.
Trey Palmer was a transfer from LSU, not a juco. Unless he got to LSU via juco.
We are talking about a situation where the school brings in kids that already have a record of assault. See Baylor. That institution paid out millions to the victims of the thugs Briles brought to campus after they had already committed assaults elsewhere and then did it again once they got to Waco. Nebraska doesn't need the potential liability
Baylor paid out millions because the AD and the coach purposely hid crimes from the school’s judicial affairs department.
It only becomes a potential lawsuit when you attempt to hide things from the people whose job it is to investigate these complaints.
Here is a link to a very current article for your reading pleasure, you will see that Baylor’s issues and the reasons for the lawsuits come from how they handled situations on their campus.