Still there needs to be repercussions for his actions. 3 days is a joke - yes, we have all made mistakes before and I would expect that if I assaulted someone I would be in deep you know what. Hopefully this was an isolated incident in the young man's life. Good he apologized, however in no way shape or form does it dismiss what he did. He should be facing months, not less than a week....all for him getting at least the amount of time the other kid had to have his jaw wired shut.
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Still there needs to be repercussions for his actions. 3 days is a joke - yes, we have all made mistakes before and I would expect that if I assaulted someone I would be in deep you know what. Hopefully this was an isolated incident in the young man's life. Good he apologized, however in no way shape or form does it dismiss what he did. He should be facing months, not less than a week....all for him getting at least the amount of time the other kid had to have his jaw wired shut.
Let's see. He got arrested and it wasn't by the campus police because of the location of the incident. Arrested ! Do most students who get in a fight end up that way.
Life is twisted my friend . Truth is stranger than fiction and that's the case here . If the thug activity didn't happen we probably win at least 2 more games and go to crappy bowl and flood is extended !
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this isn't the first time he's assaulted someone. I've managed to live 43 years without ever sucker punching someone. It is possible you know.
You beat me to it. I feel like we always get a guy or two who goes with the defense of "You all did things like this when you were in college. Don't hold it against him." I often wonder what kind of people these guys are/were. I haven't been in a fight since I was 12 and that was me and one other kid squaring off on our buddy's lawn, after which we played basketball together. I have never been involved in anything like this at all.
Also, I agree that a guy who came out from between 2 parked cars and sucker punched a guy and broke his jaw has been in plenty of fights like this before. That's not first fight behavior.
So a guy who has been in one fight in his life at 12 years old is now qualified to give an expert opinion that Delon Stephenson "has been in plenty of fights before." If you were not there and did not hear the testimony and the whole proceeding, maybe it is best to keep quiet. Some of you live exemplary lives. Congratulations. Not everybody else does.
Compare this incident to Corey Clement, who basically did the same thing, and got a 1 game suspension because he did not throw a good punch. And he lied about it to police and got caught in the lie. In New Jersey, police and prosecutors would have come down a lot harder on him for hindering prosecution and other charges. And he was sober when he threw the first punch.
Not saying what Delon Stephenson did was right, but some of you have a lot of nerve throwing around the word "thug" for what appears to be an isolated incident after drinking.
Easy way to avoid being called a "thug", don't act like one.
I don't know if he is a good guy or a bad guy. There are many good guys out there who have made one bad mistake. The court system assessed a punishment. Once he satisfies the punishment requirements I'm fine with him getting another chance. However I don't want RU to give him that chance because he (and the others) trashed the reputation of my school. Go somewhere else.
One question I do have is how the NCAA's rule of 5 years to play 4 applies here?
One question I do have is how the NCAA's rule of 5 years to play 4 applies here?
And yet we cheer many of these 'thugs ' to win games . Football is a violent game , anyone that played a down of pop warner can tell you that .
I wonder what percentage of football players have been arrested compared to regular students at major colleges throughout the country . I am going to guess the football percentage is higher . You get guys playing a violent sport that really don't belong in that particular college if they were to apply for admission as a regular student . Many hypocritical people in this thread that want Rutgers to compete in big time sports yet don't want to deal with the sins aka costs of doing business.
If winning football requires having players roaming campus and assaulting students, then shut the program down.
Thankfully it doesn't. Some people can play football and not act like animals.
I think that's what Flood did, giving them second chances, and turning
a cheek.
The law doesn't read thou shall not assault another person but okay if you play football.
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Some can as you say and some can't as you say . Just enjoy big time football and the perils that come with it . Just win baby that's what I want .
I'm not here to judge the severity of his punishment. I just hope he doesn't do it again.
One punch too many. Not sure what a fictional movie has to do with anything.
Five to play four applies for everybody. (Except Mormons, but that's a whole 'nother story.) Once the clock starts it cannot be stopped. In Delon's case, the clock started in 2013, so he has three years gone, two years left.
Here's what I'm not clear on though. Normally if you transfer within FBS, you have to sit out a year at your new school before you are eligible. However, Delon would not be transferring per se, since he was not enrolled at RU last year. So I don't know if he'd have to sit a year or not. At any rate, he should be able to enroll in an FCS school with immediate eligibility, two to play two.
No one is suggesting that the three-day sentence poses an undue burden on Stephenson. Some are suggesting it is too lenient.
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A little overboard here. He's a college kid who got into a fight. Yes, he broke a kids jaw, but what will a YEAR in jail do for him other than perhaps the opposite of what society needs. He has been clean up to that point as mentioned above. He lost his scholarship and his life has ALSO been altered DRAMATICALLY!!
Bull, if he was a college kid who got in a fight and beat a kid up, I'd agree. But that's not what happened here. He jumped out from between two cars and suckerpunched a kid and caved in his face. If they were standing there, one on one and he hit him, you're right. No crime there, just a bunch of idiot college kids. But when it is a punch that the victim never saw coming, it rises to criminal behavior.
This is one of the problems with society today. What good does putting him in jail longer? The kid (yes a kid) made a big mistake, lost his scholarship, his reputation is ruined. He his going to have a hard time getting a job and people want more blood for one punch! I believe in mercy and there is no reason this kid should be punished more. It's not like he has a rap sheet of offenses or anything. There are many people on this board that live in glass houses.
There are no street fights that are considered "legal" even in a 1v1 situation, whoever throws the first punch in a verbal argument is considered the assaulter regardless of the content of the argument, the other is legally allow to defend himself to the point when the threat is neutralized, the defender can also be charged with assault if he/she continues beyond that point.
Fighting are for losers literally and figuratively , there are no winners, in most cases you end up in the hospital, in jail or both. It's easy to lose control of your emotions, it takes a real man with maturity to just walk away.
Some of you really do act like you're the second coming of Jesus Christ.
News flash, you're not.
Get off your high horses already... jeez.
Just looking at some of the responses in this thread shows what is wrong with this country and it's brand of criminal "justice". No wonder we have so many incarcerated. Even in this board's small sample size, some of us are so quick to condemn, lockup and throw away the key.
All that does is ruin somebody's life and waste another resource that could have been put to better use by this country. Our criminal justice system is deeply flawed and warped. A philosophical shift/change needs to occur on the meaning on what exactly "successful" criminal justice is and what it is meant to do.
News flash, you're not.
Get off your high horses already... jeez.
Just looking at some of the responses in this thread shows what is wrong with this country and it's brand of criminal "justice". No wonder we have so many incarcerated. Even in this board's small sample size, some of us are so quick to condemn, lockup and throw away the key.
All that does is ruin somebody's life and waste another resource that could have been put to better use by this country. Our criminal justice system is deeply flawed and warped. A philosophical shift/change needs to occur on the meaning on what exactly "successful" criminal justice is and what it is meant to do.
It's time we consider the victims instead of making excuses for the criminals .
Oh BS. How about personal accountability? Again, most people manage to live their entire lives without sucker punching people. Why should we apologize for the negative consequences for those who can't?
Blaming "the system" is a cop out.
He lost his scholarship, his chance to play major college football and ruined his family name. That ain't nothing, that's for sure. Much rather see this kid move on and try to rescue his future by attending another college, getting a degree and doing something positive with his life than into jail where he's indoctrinated into God knows what.
The guys in this thread that never got into a fight are the same ones scared of their own shadows.
Maybe he got off using an affluenza defense....I hear that's a great way to get away with murder.
Maybe he got off using an affluenza defense....I hear that's a great way to get away with murder.
Ironic considering you are the one advocating for soft sentences. Shouldn't you be in support of another chance for the affluenza kid. I'm sure it was his first and only time drinking and driving.
That was my first comment in this thread. I did not take a position either way regarding his sentence. So, I am not sure where I "Advocated for Soft Sentences". Help me identify it ?
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Kind of self explanatory, just a few separate comments. Not everything is some type of social commentary to make a point about something.
I was very surprised that the judge rejected the 364-day sentence outlined in the plea bargain and instead sentenced Stephenson to such a short sentence. The judge must have thought there were powerful reasons to do so. I would guess they involved a determination that Stephenson is not likely to be an offender again, and therefore a long sentence is not needed. And even three days in jail is not a picnic.
This thread is so interesting. We have one guy saying how he advises his son to cower away from "athletes" and avoid confrontation with "athletes" since you know "they" are uncontrollably violent.
Another claims "thug" connotes the n-word, and shan't be used to describe a violent bully.
Another is talking down to anyone who has never tried to violently maim strangers in public.
Are so many people in our midst really so morally and intellectually lost?
Another claims "thug" connotes the n-word, and shan't be used to describe a violent bully.
Another is talking down to anyone who has never tried to violently maim strangers in public.
Are so many people in our midst really so morally and intellectually lost?
"Morally and intellectually lost" is pretty strong, especially for a moderator. I would say it proves that it takes all kinds to make a world.