And if Moos hires anyone else, the entire fan base would have rebelled. So it doesn't matter if they were right or not, Frost wasn't going to turn down this job and Moos only had one option.
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No doubt about it , we had no choice, I had no idea it would be this bad. The key now is what is the Univ going to do about it?
Sadly, you still support Scott Frost and want to give him more years. Let me guess, you would hire the next person that passes the ball 70% of the time or runs a west coast offense.
I'll ride with Chris Klieman while you continue to ride with Scott Frost. One has won national titles, the other has a losing season every year he has been a head coach besides 1 season.
I just can't help but look back on our hires when first we hired Billy C and then Riley. There were all kinds of names dropped of guys who had some success as head coaches at various levels. Interestingly every single one of the guys mentioned at those times either failed shortly thereafter where they were or failed when they took a new job...
At this point, I'm kind of thinking unless there's a can't miss hire like Hoiberg, I would rather ride with Frost with maybe some staff changes. I can't see spending 20+ million to buy out Frost and his staff and then another 10- 20 million to hire a new staff who hasn't proven it at a high level somewhere else. I hope Frost gets this going so we can't fire him because I'm not anxious to start over again.
OP I hope you still have Gus M. on that list.
I think he could do well at Nebraska recruiting and running a team. Experienced head coach with probably just a few connections for assistants. Knows how to run a winning program.
Gus would be my top target. Although Nebraska might be the target of a terrorist bombing by some UCF fanatics....which anyone could understand haha.
Freeze would be another that has had good success.
Chadwell would be fun to watch. Leech would be fun to watch. Don't think you're moving Leech though.
I think he could do well at Nebraska recruiting and running a team. Experienced head coach with probably just a few connections for assistants. Knows how to run a winning program.
Gus would be my top target. Although Nebraska might be the target of a terrorist bombing by some UCF fanatics....which anyone could understand haha.
Freeze would be another that has had good success.
Chadwell would be fun to watch. Leech would be fun to watch. Don't think you're moving Leech though.
Wow, they thought Chip Kelly was a "Football Savant" and weren't impressed with Frost at all after visiting with him.The article basically says people expect Frost to be fired.
Dan Mullen, Chip Kelly, Scott Frost and the Coaching Search That Remade Florida Football
Four years ago, the Gators had three main candidates to take over their football program. Here's the story on how they landed on Mullen.www.si.com
Oh my God, you are actually playing this out in your mind as if you have anything to do with what goes on with the Nebraska football program.
LOL
And yet Malzahn has failed to keep his job at several previous stops.... He's probably the best name on the list. Frankly I like Leipold's coaching ability maybe the best of the lot but man that's a reach to hire a guy like him at NU. 30-40 MILLION dollar gamble no matter who it would be if they decide to fire Frost. I think in the end the money is going to make it very difficult to fire Frost.
I don't know of course, but I feel that Frost has to make a bowl this year. And if he doesn't improve the win total next year over this one I think he gets canned.
The biggest issue in a potential coaching search is that there will have been 1 winning season in 7 season. I know Nebraska has history, but the job isn't really all that attractive right now. Why would Gus leave UCF for Nebraska now that UCF is going to the Big 12? Why would any P5 coach leave their current position? It is a lateral move for 95% of those coaches.
Offensive scheme is irrelevant in my opinion. If Frost hasn't improved the talent level, the next guy is going to be starting from scratch. So regardless of who the potential hire would be, he is going to have to bring in a guy that will recruit like hell, and have the attitude that Callahan and his staff had, or that the Williams' had for Riley.
Of course, what will happen is that Nebraska will hire an underdog, with midwest ties, who will only recruit the midwest, everyone will be happy with 6 or 7 win season and a bowl game as a ceiling.
Offensive scheme is irrelevant in my opinion. If Frost hasn't improved the talent level, the next guy is going to be starting from scratch. So regardless of who the potential hire would be, he is going to have to bring in a guy that will recruit like hell, and have the attitude that Callahan and his staff had, or that the Williams' had for Riley.
Of course, what will happen is that Nebraska will hire an underdog, with midwest ties, who will only recruit the midwest, everyone will be happy with 6 or 7 win season and a bowl game as a ceiling.
well I think Frost probably has improved the roster quite a bit in the past 3 years. 5 returning starters on the O line and the depth we've built at RB, WR, LB and DB has to be somewhat attractive IMO. Ultimately it comes down to money and that's where I think our big toe gets stubbed. I think it would be very difficult to lure another P5 guy AND payoff Frost and his staff so you're likely looking at reaching down to a lower level for a younger guy. Glad I'm not making this decision. Frost needs to make it a moot point by winning some games.
Agree on Frost needing to make it a moot point.
The depth that has been "built" is somewhat dependent on who they could get to take the job. The WR, outside of Toure still struggle to get separation, the RB still struggle to get yards after contact, the OL still doesn't open many holes. There will be 4 scholarship QBs, 2 will be athlete playing QB and 2 will be throwers who have some ability to run. Barring injury to Martinez, only he will have any playing time when the game is on the line. That is assuming he doesn't leave if Frost is let go. So you will need a transfer QB to run the show in 2022.
The defense has some talent and depth. If I could play antirowboat's roll of AD for a while, I would hire a defensive minded head coach. Basically do what OU did with Stoops. Bring in a guy that will get the defense back to nasty, hell OU ran the Air Raid for a year and won a national title with Heupel throwing the ball 500 times per season.
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The most successful coach we've had since Osborne, that didn't have access to Osborne's leftover players, has been Pelini, a defensive minded coach. At some point, we need to quit making head coaching decisions based on offense. If you really want to level the playing field in the Big Ten and give your team a chance to win nearly every game, develop an elite defense.
I know. We can hire Kirby Smart away from Georgia!!! Laughing That's about as logical as some of the stuff I read on this board.
Come on. If Stoops wanted to be coaching football, he'd be coaching football. The guy is fabulously rich and he's done with it all.
They were right and we were wrong. That's why. I'm not like you and think Frost is a keeper for Nebraska.
I know I am no Antirowboat, but
My list would include
Alex Grinch - OU DC
Mike Elko - A&M DC
Pete Kwiatkowski - Texas DC - formerly DC at Washington - a bit older at 55 but still good defensive coach
Maybe
Mike Tressel - DC Cincinnati, former DC at Michigan St
My list would include
Alex Grinch - OU DC
Mike Elko - A&M DC
Pete Kwiatkowski - Texas DC - formerly DC at Washington - a bit older at 55 but still good defensive coach
Maybe
Mike Tressel - DC Cincinnati, former DC at Michigan St
He was done coaching until he started coaching again in the XFL or something. So maybe he's not as done as he thought.
Because they were right that Frost wasnt ready for the big job, and when nearly everybody thought he was.
Well Urban should be available after he's run out of the NFL. I doubt he wants to go out a loser.
I could go with Elko or Tressel. Then see if we could lure Kendall Briles away from Arkansas since he's a helluva offensive mind and his salary is only 1 Million.
Helluva DC and Helluva OC is the start to a total reversal.
Since schemes don't matter, let's hire someone that passes the ball 90% of the time and doesn't recruit any TE's and goes with 5 WR sets on every play. Yeah, that will be the recipe to winning games again!!!!
I'd be all for it if we had a good coach and a p5 competent staff that recruits well and actually develops players
Having a conversation with him is like talking to a teenager. It is never moderation. If you want to be balanced and actually have a competent passing attack, you want to throw the ball 90% of the time. If you tell him an option based offense won't work in the Big Ten, he comes back with a silly comment about being told that an option play won't work in the Big Ten. When questioned about his statistics that not one single Big Ten team has won the Big Ten title without a "dynamic" rushing attack, he refuses to answer a) a definition of dynamic, b) if 150 ypg meets his definition of dynamic.
Points are well taken, but isn’t this what Ioway does ? Elite defense and very marginal on offense that snaps the ball under 6-7 seconds every down of their positions….
It is possible to have a great defense and an offense with a pulse at the same time. I mean we haven't done it for a long time, but it is possible.
I definitely didn't say to be marginal on offense. I even pointed out how OU won the national title with a stout D and running a slightly modified Air Raid throwing 500 times in the season.
A team can be nasty on defense and still run a competent offensive scheme that will score points.
Are you a teenager? That is such a weak argument. Is anybody ever stating this?
You little straw man.
Yep, and since most Big Ten West teams use that model (at least try to), what is Frot's record against the Big Ten West????????? lol.
Frost scheme sucks since there is no identity, no emphasis on a running game, OL blocking techniques are garbage, and he tries to make a running QB a pocket passer.
It's mockery sarcasm, sir. A 5 WR set with an offense that passes the ball all game would be the dumbest thing in thing in college football history to bring to Nebraska for various reasons - weather, no recruiting base for such schemes.
Northwestern does not run the same offense like Wisky and Ioway and even Minnesota..
Sarcasm? Let's go with hyperbole and still really a weak argument.
Who are you arguing with? Who wants a 5 WR set?
You have a weak stance and keep trying to prop it up with strawman arguments.
The two of you are peas in a pod. The inability to look at something rationally and not jump to an extreme is mind boggling.
Secondly, not one time have I defended Scott Frost the coach. That scheme can work in the Big Ten, when coached and executed properly. There is an emphasis on the run and the identity is a zone read rushing concept. However, when you have a running QB that cannot throw the ball effectively past 10 yards, then you will face teams that can shut down your run.