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RUInsanityToo

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Here’s to hoping the ’Cuse defense was truly very good. Or at least a really bad matchup for our O. Otherwise, we could be in for a lot of pain in some games this season. LOL.

There were more than a few plays that Syracuse defended as if they knew exactly the play that RU was calling on Offense. This may have just been terrible O-Line play but perhaps they also picked up a few "tells" on Runs vs Pass plays. For instance, heard a story once about defenders picking up a tell from a QB who would keep his mouth guard in on passing plays and out on run plays.
 

RUInsanityToo

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Crown...coming from someone who doesn't think Schiano deserved an 8 yr contract, who thinks when RU wins it's more often despite him rather than because of him, and who thinks he has a knack for always making the wrong QB decision....even for me the 'pile of trash' description of Vedral goes too far.

I've said that he's not P5 starter talent. Your characterization of him goes beyond football, which is obviously undeserved.

I've also described Myles Johnson similarly, but the negative stuff is only about the athlete, not the person.

You've described Myles Johnson as not being P5 Starter level talent? Really?? Just curious.
 

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you missed the point
I think you missed the point.. I understood his point. I was wrong earlier in this thread to only look at the OP when judging the reactions of some here. And I have been critical of our QB so when people lumped me in with the OP I was offended and actually thought the harsh characterizations of critics was what caused this thread to derail.

So what that simple comment you replied to was doing was telling me that the OP has a well-deserved reputation.. one of which I was unaware. And in reviewing the top of this thread I saw that OP went way overboard on his own.. no insults going his way first. So I was wrong about that and I hope I am equally wrong about Vedral.

But one of the keys to force defenders to play the whole width of the field is the quick bubble screens.. thrown quickly to the correct side for how the D aligns with some zip on the ball.. accurately to get the WR moving forward FAST. Nothing I have seen of our QB says he can do that. What I FEAR is that, in Big Ten play, the bubble screens will get jumped on.. if not for Pick6s then for TFLs.. putting us in a bad spot. How bad? Defenses will crowd the LOS, run blitz at will.. if we see those slow-developing passes and handoffs where Vedral has his back to the LOS they will eat us alive whether it is a run or a pass. We need opponents to respect and fear the passing game.. to play honest D. I'm sorry.. I don't see that happening.
 
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Well, sort of. There's nuance. For as long as he's been here I've said he doesn't (and never would) have P5 offensive ability for a big man. Offensively, he's a U Hartford or William & Mary talent. Does the good defense justify the poor offense ? Not sure. One may say No, because he may never once have outscored the opposing center. Or maybe Yes because without any other inside presence we needed his minutes.

At the end of the day, I'm glad he transferred because I want Cliff to get the starter minutes to develop further. I would be very surprised if he starts at UCLA and I think 8 ppg is his ceiling. He has not progressed on offense at all.
 
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mildone_rivals

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There were more than a few plays that Syracuse defended as if they knew exactly the play that RU was calling on Offense. This may have just been terrible O-Line play but perhaps they also picked up a few "tells" on Runs vs Pass plays. For instance, heard a story once about defenders picking up a tell from a QB who would keep his mouth guard in on passing plays and out on run plays.
That was crazy, how it seemed like they knew exactly what play we were running and exact;y what our blocking scheme was for the play. Happened several times. I wonder if RU changed up how we signal the plays after that.
 
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yesrutgers01

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You guys put these kids on such an unearned pedestal.

Hes trash at QB
Well- only way I see it is if you were as much trash in your profession as this very young nan is in his, you would not be posting here. I am going to bet that this 20ish young man is at least 100-1000 more times successful at what he does then you are at what you do.
 

mildone_rivals

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Well- only way I see it is if you were as much trash in your profession as this very young nan is in his, you would not be posting here. I am going to bet that this 20ish young man is at least 100-1000 more times successful at what he does then you are at what you do.
Agreed. That much is sadly obvious.
 
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Well- only way I see it is if you were as much trash in your profession as this very young nan is in his, you would not be posting here. I am going to bet that this 20ish young man is at least 100-1000 more times successful at what he does then you are at what you do.

I know you're the dad of a former player so ill go easy out of respect. But even if I was a cashier at McDonald's I'd be more successful at what I do than what he does.

I can assure you I am way more successful in my career than he is at football. Now I can't speak for post football is some booster hands him a cushy job.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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That was crazy, how it seemed like they knew exactly what play we were running and exact;y what our blocking scheme was for the play. Happened several times. I wonder if RU changed up how we signal the plays after that.
There were a couple of cases where down/distance indicated the type of D to go with.. and we call a play that did not account for that at all. That is, we call a play that might work on 2nd and short or even a 1st down (play-fake type play) when no one will buy the fake because a run would not be called for in that situation. Was very strange... and, unfortunately, I recall something along those lines happening last year in a very important spot.
 

RUTGERS95

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I think you missed the point.. I understood his point. I was wrong earlier in this thread to only look at the OP when judging the reactions of some here. And I have been critical of our QB so when people lumped me in with the OP I was offended and actually thought the harsh characterizations of critics was what caused this thread to derail.

So what that simple comment you replied to was doing was telling me that the OP has a well-deserved reputation.. one of which I was unaware. And in reviewing the top of this thread I saw that OP went way overboard on his own.. no insults going his way first. So I was wrong about that and I hope I am equally wrong about Vedral.

But one of the keys to force defenders to play the whole width of the field is the quick bubble screens.. thrown quickly to the correct side for how the D aligns with some zip on the ball.. accurately to get the WR moving forward FAST. Nothing I have seen of our QB says he can do that. What I FEAR is that, in Big Ten play, the bubble screens will get jumped on.. if not for Pick6s then for TFLs.. putting us in a bad spot. How bad? Defenses will crowd the LOS, run blitz at will.. if we see those slow-developing passes and handoffs where Vedral has his back to the LOS they will eat us alive whether it is a run or a pass. We need opponents to respect and fear the passing game.. to play honest D. I'm sorry.. I don't see that happening.
lol, put whatever you are drinking down. I was agreeing with you and responding to him!
 

Shelby65

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shows ya it's Schiano controlling what plays Gleeson can call. Schiano prefers punting and pinning the O back rather than going for 5+ yards plays for first down. It's losing football, no matter how good your punter is. This isn't 1960. Downfield passing is a necessity with the contact limitations on DBs nowadays. That's Gleeson's mind set, not Schiano's unfortunately.
 

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I know you're the dad of a former player so ill go easy out of respect. But even if I was a cashier at McDonald's I'd be more successful at what I do than what he does.

I can ensure you I am way more successful in my career than he is at football. Now I can't speak for post football is some booster hands him a cushy job.
You can ensure us? If you do it twice, would you be reinsuring us?
 

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You can ensure us? If you do it twice, would you be reinsuring us?
What defines success? Guessing that to him it means monetary success, which is an extremely poor measure success. And how does one compare corporate success to football success? Seems like an apples and oranges comparison. But this is a great thread derail, and a more interesting topic of discussion.
And how does not become "way more successful" than others as a cashier at McDonald's? So many questions that require exploration and discussion.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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shows ya it's Schiano controlling what plays Gleeson can call. Schiano prefers punting and pinning the O back rather than going for 5+ yards plays for first down. It's losing football, no matter how good your punter is. This isn't 1960. Downfield passing is a necessity with the contact limitations on DBs nowadays. That's Gleeson's mind set, not Schiano's unfortunately.
This is simply not true. More like - they’ve all collectively agreed that Gleeson will prep a game plan with a bag full of design plays intended to exploit the defense based on the film. The team rehearses those plays at practice and understands the situations in which they’d likely be used. It’s all about match ups and scouting reports. Sometimes more aggressive situational calls will be built into the weekly plan. Other times not. What you won’t likely see is us adjusting on the fly and just “trying something different” that we hadn’t focused on during the week unless we’re already behind. That’s not how Schiano works - he’s a planner and Gleeson surely knew that coming in.
 

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Well, sort of. There's nuance. For as long as he's been here I've said he doesn't (and never would) have P5 offensive ability for a big man. Offensively, he's a U Hartford or William & Mary talent. Does the good defense justify the poor offense ? Not sure. One may say No, because he may never once have outscored the opposing center. Or maybe Yes because without any other inside presence we needed his minutes.

At the end of the day, I'm glad he transferred because I want Cliff to get the starter minutes to develop further. I would be very surprised if he starts at UCLA and I think 8 ppg is his ceiling. He has not progressed on offense at all.

This debate is more apt for the basketball board. But I will leave it at this........for a center there is more to offense than a mid-range game or 3pt shot ability. For instance, how would he stack up in offensive rebounding, pnr, finishing and passing/court vision? My guess is BIG level.
 

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shows ya it's Schiano controlling what plays Gleeson can call. Schiano prefers punting and pinning the O back rather than going for 5+ yards plays for first down. It's losing football, no matter how good your punter is. This isn't 1960. Downfield passing is a necessity with the contact limitations on DBs nowadays. That's Gleeson's mind set, not Schiano's unfortunately.

Downfield passing also necessitates providing the QB with roughly 4 seconds for the pattern to develop.
 
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I know you're the dad of a former player so ill go easy out of respect. But even if I was a cashier at McDonald's I'd be more successful at what I do than what he does.

I can ensure you I am way more successful in my career than he is at football. Now I can't speak for post football is some booster hands him a cushy job.

There's about 130 Division 1 College Football programs. So at a minimum, as a QB starter, Vedral has currently made it to the top 130 in the world within his current position/profession (amateur football player/QB). Let's here what your current profession is and how you rank so we can all assess your bold claim.
 

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I know you're the dad of a former player so ill go easy out of respect. But even if I was a cashier at McDonald's I'd be more successful at what I do than what he does.

I can ensure you I am way more successful in my career than he is at football. Now I can't speak for post football is some booster hands him a cushy job.
It doesn’t matter who I am but the worst D1 college QB is most likely one of the top 200-300 people in the world at what he does.
if you are at that level in your profession, then my hat is off to you. And did you do it at the age of 20 or so?
My gut tells me the answer to both, is no…
 

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Besides all other points- any person who feels it is ok to have an OP like this thread, is a complete loser. Vedral is not great P5 QB-big surprise. But the kid plays his heart out and you never see him give up. If you want to discuss the game or even his gameplay- that is fair but show a little respect. Trash?
I have been saying this for 15 years, write your comments as if you where sitting at a table with the person you are writing them about. You don't have to tell them they are great or even hold back, but be respectful and have something to say.
I can 100% tell you that there is no way that you would be making your comments to him if you were sitting with him. I can 100% say that even if I am critical of a player, I have never typed something I wouldn't say directly to a person.
 

RUTGERS95

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anyone who starts a thread stating if you don't agree with me is a loser is in fact, a huuuuuge loser and insecure

carry on
 
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It doesn’t matter who I am but the worst D1 college QB is most likely one of the top 200-300 people in the world at what he does.
if you are at that level in your profession, then my hat is off to you. And did you do it at the age of 20 or so?
My gut tells me the answer to both, is no…

Ok clearly you aren't the brightest crayon in the box
 

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Freaking Ohio U (not tOSU) had 346 total yards of offense, 212 passing, 134 rushing and 5/12 on 3rd downs. Is Ohio U better than RU on offense?
Spot on. Can take it a step further. Each drive has its own identity. For example, you cannot compare the defense Ohio is up against down 29-9 with 5 minutes to go in a game or even down 22-6 in Q4 to what RU faced from the same team in a nail biter. Syracuse would’ve been playing deliberate “bend don’t break” style to ride out the clock vs Ohio in the second half.

In the first half - those early Ohio drives could’ve been Cuse jitters. First game being played on the road. Just not comparable at all.
 
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Besides all other points- any person who feels it is ok to have an OP like this thread, is a complete loser. Vedral is not great P5 QB-big surprise. But the kid plays his heart out and you never see him give up. If you want to discuss the game or even his gameplay- that is fair but show a little respect. Trash?
I have been saying this for 15 years, write your comments as if you where sitting at a table with the person you are writing them about. You don't have to tell them they are great or even hold back, but be respectful and have something to say.
I can 100% tell you that there is no way that you would be making your comments to him if you were sitting with him. I can 100% say that even if I am critical of a player, I have never typed something I wouldn't say directly to a person.
I mean If I was sitting next to him, I wouldn't call him trash, but I would say, I think its time to move on, QB ain't your thing
 
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Knight Shift

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Happy to not be a crayon. Thank you
Not the most unholiest of insults, is it? 😂

Raises another question. Are crayons bright, either in terms of intelligence or lumens?
Maybe he meant not the sharpest crayon in the box, but crayons are not sharp either.
Some crayons might be considered "bright," such as Crayola's neon crayons.

 

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There is no doubt Art is the better QB. I dont care about “Gleeson’s system”. This is a high school offense.
Really? Well Art is 1-2 as a starter at Illinois and Rutgers is sitting at 2-0. I think I would take the 2-0 record with Vedral and no turnovers.
 

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I know you're the dad of a former player so ill go easy out of respect. But even if I was a cashier at McDonald's I'd be more successful at what I do than what he does.

I can assure you I am way more successful in my career than he is at football. Now I can't speak for post football is some booster hands him a cushy job.
Yes you are more successful…..at being a prick. When someone has to assure us how successful they are that usually means they really aren’t as well off as they would like people to believe.
 
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Wait, so is the thread now called DELETE as in reference to Noah Vedral or DELETE as in the OP has had enough? Or has the issue of mixed metaphors and the lumen count of a crayon caused discernible upset?

Hmmmm….
 

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Wait, so is the thread now called DELETE as in reference to Noah Vedral or DELETE as in the OP has had enough? Or has the issue of mixed metaphors and the lumen count of a crayon caused discernible upset?

Hmmmm….
Hopefully the OP is using this thread as a learning experience, as opposed to feeling insulted. The irony being that he's the one advocating for people skipping right past "political correctness" to "calling it like we see it".

People, these days at least, seem to frequently confuse political correctness with dishonesty. A mistake predicated on the false premise that it requires one to be an abrasive a-hole in order to express an honest and/or unpopular and/or negative opinion.
 
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