Declining Recruiter and Average Coach!

[philstat]

I thought he could motivate his players and get a lot out of them??

It's common sense, motivate a bunch of re

Being plateaued in the top 3 coaches in the country is pretty good. Since you seem to be all-knowing, just who would you suggest that we get as a coach, who would get us to the final 4 every year, since you seem to think that is obtainable with the proper coach. You know, one who hasn't plateaued.

We don't need to get to FF every year, stupidly unrealistic, Coach Cal will never win a national title again unless he has a monstrous advantage talent wise, it has to be dominant, outright - don't, he will lose. I just want a coach that's not in that position.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

By the way, what is your position and what do you offer as support for it? Not trying be a smart ***, seriously, I'm just curious.

I love Cal but his ego gets in the way in my opinion. I do agree our recruiting has slipped. Cal has never been a great in game coach and I firmly believe that ties back to his ego. He is a creature of habit, he rarely changes much. Until he decides to build a foundation of quality multi-year players I think we will suffer. He can change our culture but will he?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I'm 59 years old and have been alive for 4 of the eight national championships we've won, the first being in 1978. No one would dispute that UK is a blue blood program; most wins, second in NCs. Yet we've only won 8 and I've seen all the coaches, Rupp, Joe B, Eddie...etc., all the way up to Cal. Winning a NC is tough to do, one bad night, like last night, and you're through; Just ask Coach K, Izzo, Self, Boeheim...the list goes on of supposedly the best coaches in the game that lost when they shouldn't have. Much of what Cal has done at UK is unprecedented. Who would those that are done with him replace him with? Name a better coach. Does he need to do a better job at times? Sure. I don't like the OAD era, but it is what it is. I'm tired of hearing him say how young they are, even if its true, and how he should have called a timeout, he should have, but I like knowing we have a shot at a NC every year. 1948 was the first NC and in the next 70 years we've only managed to win 7 more and only one team has won more in that time-frame. Be careful what you wish for, Billy G could be just around the corner.

You and I have lots in common but one striking difference. I don't think we have a real chance at a NC. Our freshmen eventually wilt under the pressure, the bright lights, the big stage. Until Cal has a real foundation of upper classmen who can play, we will reach for the ring but fall short. My fear is that he'll retire before he changes

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

IMO, that's just how I see it, he never calls the TO late game, unless he's put in a position to where he has no choice. Think back over the years of how many times he said he should've called a TO, he doesn't know what to call or command during one. BW simply out-coached him, as did JUCO Bob, Bo Ryan and many others. He's bringing in far less talent than he has over the past few years and as of now, that looks to be the case for next year as well.

What worries me is that folks like this actually believe the stuff they spew out is true. This guy can vote in elections and everything. That is truly scary.
Maybe Sheray Thomas, Michael Porter, Shagari Alleyene, etc didn't actually get full ride scholardhips to UK. It must have been in some parallel universe
Now, that was some 'crootin there. Had to be #1 or 2 class easily. Step your game up Cal

 

[Ben101er]

It's common sense, motivate a bunch of re


We don't need to get to FF every year, stupidly unrealistic, Coach Cal will never win a national title again unless he has a monstrous advantage talent wise, it has to be dominant, outright - don't, he will lose. I just want a coach that's not in that position.

Why didn't you answer my question? Show me where Cal said that the name on the front of the jersey is unimportant. Can you, or are you just making this stuff up as you go?

 

[Ben101er]

What worries me is that folks like this actually believe the stuff they spew out is true. This guy can vote in elections and everything. That is truly scary.
Maybe Sheray Thomas, Michael Porter, Shagari Alleyene, etc didn't actually get full ride scholardhips to UK. It must have been in some parallel universe
Now, that was some 'crootin there. Had to be #1 or 2 class easily. Step your game up Cal

I'm not convinced he can vote in elections. He may be a sophomore at Lexington Catholic.

 

[philstat]

Why didn't you answer my question? Show me where Cal said that the name on the front of the jersey is unimportant. Can you, or are you just making this stuff up as you go?

I'm not going to go digging for it, it's been discussed on here multiple times, same thing as saying the NBA draft is the most important night. Get real, it's a players first approach, no issue, except when it becomes bigger than the program. I did answer your somewhat radicalized question, no one gets to a FF every year, stated that already.

 

[philstat]

I'm not convinced he can vote in elections. He may be a sophomore at Lexington Catholic.

I've done more **** in my life than you could ever imagine, there' s a reason a some of us aren't on here posting every GD night, some of us are out making **** happen so your happy *** can!

 

[Supercat67]

Check out the top ten recruits over the past few years and get back to me. No doubt, Duke and others are leading to get the most elite, AD, JW type of players right now. When the NBA ceases the one and done, it will be Cal's demise, than coaches that coach players up for 2-3 seasons will dominate the game. He won't be able to get the elite players and it will be then on coaches who are exceptionally strong X and O coaches, of which he is not.

One look at your post count compared to the likes you've received one doesn't have to wonder why when one reads your posts .
You sir are obviously a TROLL !

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I've done more **** in my life than you could ever imagine, there' s a reason a lot of us aren't on here posting every GD night, some of us are out making **** happen so your happy *** can!

Sure you have. Being a hero is a hard life ain't it

 

[philstat]

One look at your post count compared to the likes you've received one doesn't have to wonder why when one reads your posts .
You sir are obviously a TROLL !

I don't know, maybe I didn't have access to this site for a very long time, more pressing things to tend to and most of my posting was prior to "likes."

 

[Ben101er]

I've done more **** in my life than you could ever imagine, there' s a reason a lot of us aren't on here posting every GD night, some of us are out making **** happen so your happy *** can!

Really, but, I see you are on here. C'mon now. You are now just posting stuff so that you don't have to admit that you made up your fantasy quote by Cal, aren't you? Either post your proof, or admit you are a lying fraud.

 

[Supercat67]

I don't know, maybe I didn't have access to this site for a very long time, more pressing things to tend to and most of my posting was prior to "likes."

TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL ! :cool2:

 

[420grover]

It's common sense, motivate a bunch of re

Do you want to finish that thought?

He either can motivate lesser players into doing more or he can't. 22-50 says he can't. Winning a title in Detroit means that he can manage talent and experience.

 

[kybassfan]

I'm not going to go digging for it, it's been discussed on here multiple times, same thing as saying the NBA draft is the most important night. Get real, it's a players first approach, no issue, except when it becomes bigger than the program. I did answer your somewhat radicalized question, no one gets to a FF every year, stated that already.

Actually, that’s not true. Trolls have treated it as fact and tried to coerce the board into believing it. No where has a quote attributable to Cal EVER diminished the value if the program been linked to a reputable source. If you actually believe that, then, well, that is hysterically funny. Poor thing.

 

[jaknfo90]

You and I have lots in common but one striking difference. I don't think we have a real chance at a NC. Our freshmen eventually wilt under the pressure, the bright lights, the big stage. Until Cal has a real foundation of upper classmen who can play, we will reach for the ring but fall short. My fear is that he'll retire before he changes

Fair enough, I think some of the players that left last year surprised him and that he never anticipated a group as inexperienced as this. Isaac Humphries would have been great in the post this year IMO. But I believe Cal is a victim of his own system. Kids come here expecting to be OAD & if they're here more than 1 year it is considered a failure and that is a shame. Briscoe is a prime example of another kid who left, again IMO, because its not acceptable to be at UK for that long; unless of course you're a Kentucky kid like Hawkins, Willis or Miller.

 

[philstat]

Really, but, I see you are on here. C'mon now. You are now just posting stuff so that you don't have to admit that you made up your fantasy quote by Cal, aren't you? Either post your proof, or admit you are a lying fraud.

https://newrepublic.com/article/117094/john-caliparis-players-first-philosophy-failure

 

[philstat]

Fair enough, I think some of the players that left last year surprised him and that he never anticipated a group as inexperienced as this. Isaac Humphries would have been great in the post this year IMO. But I believe Cal is a victim of his own system. Kids come here expecting to be OAD & if they're here more than 1 year it is considered a failure and that is a shame. Briscoe is a prime example of another kid who left, again IMO, because its not acceptable to be at UK for that long; unless of course you're a Kentucky kid like Hawkins, Willis or Miller.

I agree, that's the biggest problem by far in the program, without question. The media feeds into it, just this morning, who from UK will declare was on Yahoo, you don't see near the hype like this on Duke, UNC, KU etc., the players obviously feel the pressure of succeeding the first year or be considered a let down, unfair.

 

[Ben101er]

https://newrepublic.com/article/117094/john-caliparis-players-first-philosophy-failure

First of all, what a rag to tag. The New Republic. What is that some kind of Socialist Documentary? Second, it never says Cal said that the name on the front of the jersey was unimportant. It says what everyone already knew. That he runs a players first program. One more time, since you are obviously ducking the question. Where is a quote, from Cal, stating that the name on the front of the players jerseys is unimportant? Give one, or go away, labled as a lying troll.

 

[EastKYWildcat]

Not necessarily OP, but there are so many in this fanbase who do not deserve UK basketball

 

[kybassfan]

https://newrepublic.com/article/117094/john-caliparis-players-first-philosophy-failure

Sorry about your reading disability. I did not see a passage ANYWHERE in there that stated Cal does not care about the program. You do realize that ‘<insert your favorite group name> first’ is a common marketing phrase? Anyone with any common sense knows that. Cal is marketing the player opportunity available at KY. Why? Cause we need them. He’s doing it FOR Ky. Again, common sense.

 

[Ben101er]

Fair enough, I think some of the players that left last year surprised him and that he never anticipated a group as inexperienced as this. Isaac Humphries would have been great in the post this year IMO. But I believe Cal is a victim of his own system. Kids come here expecting to be OAD & if they're here more than 1 year it is considered a failure and that is a shame. Briscoe is a prime example of another kid who left, again IMO, because its not acceptable to be at UK for that long; unless of course you're a Kentucky kid like Hawkins, Willis or Miller.

I think Briscoe left because he didn't like school, and his family needed the money. The problem is, there are lots of people on these boards who want Cal to recruit players that will stay multiple years, because they don't think that an all-freshmen team can win the NC. I would probably agree with that assumption. However, Cal finally signs a class with players that obviously have to stay more than one year, trying to achieve that, and the same ones that wanted multi-year players, gripe about the year we had. Some of those are Richards, SKJ, Green and Washington. You can't have it both ways. If Cal had signed a class that challenged for a NC, this year, they all would have had a year good enough to go into the draft, and we would be back where we started from. With the shooters we are adding, and what we will return, next year should be promising.

 

[morgousky]

Oh sure. We never get any recruits anymore. That’s why we don’t have highly ranked recruiting classes. Oh, wait.

I'm not with the OP but I thought it's funny how people would say (the top recruiting class) as all justification, then "we only have the second best recruiting class" now it's moved to What? "We still have top ten classes every year you are spoiled?"

 

[Dr. H Lecter]

It's a number of things, losing with the USA team this past year hurt a lot more than many realize and I believe very negatively impacted recruiting going forward. He's losing the top five-ten players more consistently now and I honestly don't see him ever winning a title again.

7500 posts and 140 likes. That is a worse percentage than PJ Washingtons foul shooting. You really must have to try hard to suck that badly.

 

[Ben101er]

Feel sorry for the losers that live on this board. Anytime you say anything negative you will ba called a troll. I speak the truth,don't care who gets mad

I think you can be negative, as long as you say it is your opinion. Everyone has an opinion, and a right to say it. The problem is, you get someone like Philstat who tried to make his point, by saying Cal made a quote, that Cal did not say. He got called out for it. His opinion is his, and who knows, he may be right. But, he can't come on here, and try to prove his point by saying Cal said something, that he made up.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Not necessarily OP, but there are so many in this fanbase who do not deserve UK basketball

According to whom?

 

[Wall2Boogie]

I would prefer Brad Stevens

Ah the john gruden of college basketball. Not going to happen. Dude is set in Boston with 50 first round picks over the next ten years. Yeah not happening

 

[JC CATS]

Obviously he's a lousy coach. I mean his teams never get better at the end of the season and never do well in the tourney.

His recruiting has gone down the toilet. He has actually had some #2 ranked classes. Not in the SEC, in the nation

 

[JC CATS]

Check out the top ten recruits over the past few years and get back to me. No doubt, Duke and others are leading to get the most elite, AD, JW type of players right now. When the NBA ceases the one and done, it will be Cal's demise, than coaches that coach players up for 2-3 seasons will dominate the game. He won't be able to get the elite players and it will be then on coaches who are exceptionally strong X and O coaches, of which he is not.

He did awful at UMass and Memphis

 

[JC CATS]

K State Coach took Alexander and Knox out of there normal game, therefore cut our legs off at the knees. GAME OVER.

Only upset of the NCAAT this year too, shows Cal can't coach

 

[philstat]

Ah the john gruden of college basketball. Not going to happen. Dude is set in Boston with 50 first round picks over the next ten years. Yeah not happening

Yeah, he's basically getting what Rick P. believed he was getting years ago. I believe Brad will win 1-3 titles with the Celtics, once he gets his roster in place.

 

[philstat]

I think you can be negative, as long as you say it is your opinion. Everyone has an opinion, and a right to say it. The problem is, you get someone like Philstat who tried to make his point, by saying Cal made a quote, that Cal did not say. He got called out for it. His opinion is his, and who knows, he may be right. But, he can't come on here, and try to prove his point by saying Cal said something, that he made up.

No, you are a very radicalized type of person, no matter what anyone says, regardless of who, you will take fault to a degree, or debate at nauseum, it's your plight.

 

[JC CATS]

He refused to call a timeout until the game had essentially been decided. He didn't adapt or adjust at all. He recruited PJ and the other players, he himself stated on multiple occasions, he's not concerned with free throws, same thing at Memphis - it's costed him a lot in the tourney. He's exceptionally successful, anyone would be a fool to argue otherwise, I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying without a substantial change going forth, he's plateaued.

Link where he said he isn't concerned with free throws. I have heard him say, we only have them 20 hours a week they need to work on their free throws on their own

 

[philstat]

He did awful at UMass and Memphis

He did a damn good job, though didn't win a title. He's going to do a very good job at UK, we will always have a competitive team, always. Though a championship is not going to happen again during his reign. He'll never have another roster like he did with the KAT team, not going to happen. That year would've projected the program forward unlike any other had they won it, it happens. Wisconsin were better prepared and had a veteran team with talent.

 

[philstat]

Link where he said he isn't concerned with free throws. I have heard him say, we only have them 20 hors a week they need to work on their free throws on their own

Exactly, obviously there wasn't a lot of working going on, for PJ to miss 13 in a single game is damn near unreal.

 

[philstat]

Feel sorry for the losers that live on this board. Anytime you say anything negative you will ba called a troll. I speak the truth,don't care who gets mad

Exactly, thanks some of the folks on here, it's you're a moron or if you don't live on this board daily, you're a troll. I was away for nearly a decade off and on, yeah I missed a lot of years posting, wow - now since I don't have "likes" during most of my posting from years ago, I'm a loser and troll, laughable.

 

[chattanoogawildcat]

The op has been proven wrong in just about every reply. I like it when there's no need for me to chime in.

 

[philstat]

The op has been proven wrong in just about every reply. I like it when there's no need for me to chime in.

No, it's that you don't agree, which is fine - I'm entitled to my own thoughts and opinions, as are other posters.

 

[chattanoogawildcat]

No, it's that you don't agree, which is fine - I'm entitled to my own thoughts and opinions, as are other posters.

Yes, you are entitled to be wrong...I agree.

 

[54runner]

Ironic thing is that if PJ makes half of the free throws he missed we would not even be having this thread or discussion.