Dear Athletic Dept Lurkers

kb549

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We know you read these boards. Please DO NOT schedule another game in New Orleans against a G5 opponent. Our fans are incapable of supporting this team if it inconveniences them and they don’t anticipate it as a must see game. The attendance was crap. We could have put 70,000 State butts in seats and changed the entire atmosphere of the game. The atmosphere was dead. The drinks and food were outrageous (I’m sure the same as the Saints game charges.) My wife and I went and spent a lot of money in New Orleans. We had 4 really good meals. I’d rather put that money in Starkville than see us walk out with a L against ULL, Tulane, or Southern because only 10,000 fans showed up and we lost our home field advantage. Schedule Texas or USCw in the Superdome and MAYBE we can get 50,000 to show up. If we lose, at least it will be a “quality L.”
 

8dog

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It was ulalas home game so location wasnt so much our choice. But that was a damn fun weekend. Loved it
 

Allday.sixpack

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Let me get this straight, you want to complain about playing in the Superdome for an away game?
I like 72 degrees and Bloody Mary’s and starting 1-0. I guess you’ve forgotten not every game is a home game.
 
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Totally disagree. This was the return game in this series and hats off for arranging the Superdome (and not playing at UL). It was a great way to start the season. We had s blast. And all the excuses about the gay pride weekend - hardly noticed. Just a typical weekend in the big easy.

And yes - there should have been 40,000 MSU fans there - no excuse.
 

LilSebastian

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Totally disagree. This was the return game in this series and hats off for arranging the Superdome (and not playing at UL). It was a great way to start the season. We had s blast. And all the excuses about the gay pride weekend - hardly noticed. Just a typical weekend in the big easy.

And yes - there should have been 40,000 MSU fans there - no excuse.

We had fans complaining about Gay pride?
 

kb549

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Oct 6, 2014
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Let me clarify. We had a great time in N.O. as well. We also hardly noticed Decadence, but we only went to the Quarter for a few hours after the game. It was typical N.O.

I think we did have control over this if I understood another thread correctly. We were supposed to get a portion of the gate as part of the deal. If so, this probably means we did a home and home deal, instead of a 2 for 1. The ADept gambled that we would travel for this game. We didn’t. There was almost as much red as maroon there.

I wouldn’t mind playing a game in the dome every year or every two years. It gives us great exposure in talent rich LA. But we have to put butts in seats and give ourselves an advantage. That’s why we should be playing P5 teams from 1,000 miles away. There won’t be a 50/50 crowd.
 

Bulldogg31

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Let me clarify. We had a great time in N.O. as well. We also hardly noticed Decadence, but we only went to the Quarter for a few hours after the game. It was typical N.O.

I think we did have control over this if I understood another thread correctly. We were supposed to get a portion of the gate as part of the deal. If so, this probably means we did a home and home deal, instead of a 2 for 1. The ADept gambled that we would travel for this game. We didn’t. There was almost as much red as maroon there.

I wouldn’t mind playing a game in the dome every year or every two years. It gives us great exposure in talent rich LA. But we have to put butts in seats and give ourselves an advantage. That’s why we should be playing P5 teams from 1,000 miles away. There won’t be a 50/50 crowd.

That’s all fine but if we get dealt the late breakfast kickoff slot again you can expect another ****** crowd. You may not like this message but that doesn’t change its accuracy.
 

57stratdawg

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Dec 1, 2004
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I can’t remember the last away game where our fan base’s travel numbers impressed me.
 

Drebin

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Aug 22, 2012
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I can’t remember the last away game where our fan base’s travel numbers impressed me.

If it was a night kickoff we would have had a much better crowd, although expecting 40K is ridiculous.

It's hard to ask people to drive 4+ hours to get into town ahead of an 11 AM game. Early games impact our attendance in Starkville as well.
 

o_dawgnabit

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Oct 13, 2016
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I loved the idea. Playing in the Superdome was way better than playing in a 96 degree stadium. My wife and I had a blast
 

LawDawg97

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There were a lot of fans supporting our team

My family really enjoyed it. This is yet another worthless thing to complain about. A nice indoor venue in a great city to visit. Life is tough.
 

kb549

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Oct 6, 2014
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We were the away team... would you had rather played the game in Lafayette?

No dubmass. Read before you reply. ULaLa can’t afford to rent the Superdome for their home game with us. Why would they? I guarantee you this game cost MSU a bunch of money. Someone had to rent it and I can’t fathom that ULaLa can afford to. My guess is we rented it (or went at least 75%) and asked for half the ticket sales - thinking we would make our money back. Why else would ULaLa give up playing in their home stadium?

If we put 40,000-50,000 in the Dome, the game is likely entirely different (we blow them out instead of squeaking by.) We were too quiet on their 3rd down plays. The announcer was keeping their crowd hyped with their first down cheers, which they had entirely too many of.
 

bruiser.sixpack

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☝🏻I thought for an 11 AM away game our side of the Dome was pretty full. Granted, I was on the lower section and couldn’t see through the 2nd level above us, so there could have only been 10, wait 11 fans up there.****
 

kb549

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Oct 6, 2014
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If it was a night kickoff we would have had a much better crowd, although expecting 40K is ridiculous.

It's hard to ask people to drive 4+ hours to get into town ahead of an 11 AM game. Early games impact our attendance in Starkville as well.

This is the same argument that people who live in south MS, south AL, and LA use now for early games. New Orleans & the suburbs has at least 100,000 more hotel, Air B&B, etc as Starkville. And you’re at least half wrong if it was a late game. I say half because it would be the same argument (getting home at 3:00 am). Some would stay overnight on Saturday that couldn’t on Friday because of high school games, etc.
 

Bulldogg31

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No dubmass. Read before you reply. ULaLa can’t afford to rent the Superdome for their home game with us. Why would they? I guarantee you this game cost MSU a bunch of money. Someone had to rent it and I can’t fathom that ULaLa can afford to. My guess is we rented it (or went at least 75%) and asked for half the ticket sales - thinking we would make our money back. Why else would ULaLa give up playing in their home stadium?

If we put 40,000-50,000 in the Dome, the game is likely entirely different (we blow them out instead of squeaking by.) We were too quiet on their 3rd down plays. The announcer was keeping their crowd hyped with their first down cheers, which they had entirely too many of.

You are incorrect.

UL was given access to 40,975 tickets in the 100, 200 and 300 levels of the Superdome for Saturday. This is why the upper decks were closed off.

According to the 2-game agreement, UL receives 57 percent of net revenue from ticket sales while the State gets 43 percent of all ticket sales.

However, as the home team, UL “shall arrange for and pay all costs associated with utilizing the Superdome.”

State only received money from this deal, it cost us nothing. The fact is, ULL rolled the dice by “renting” the Superdome and came up losers. They likely needed 40,000 or more to make any money on the deal and got 22,400.

For reference, in ULL’s five previous Superdome games the attendances were 42,481 in 2011, 48,828 in 2012, 54,728 (bowl game against Tulane in 2013), then 34,014 in 2014 and 35,061 against Southern Miss in 2016.

By contrast, State cut ULL a check for $500K to come to Starkville last year to play in front of over 56,000.
 
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Jeffreauxdawg

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If we put 40,000-50,000 in the Dome, the game is likely entirely different (we blow them out instead of squeaking by.) We were too quiet on their 3rd down plays. The announcer was keeping their crowd hyped with their first down cheers, which they had entirely too many of.


Vegas gives an actual home field advantage of 2.5 pts in college football. A lot of the advantage is about comfort and routine if playing at home...

We could have shoved 250,000 state fans in the stadium and not a one would have helped wrap up those running backs. You are tilting windmills on this one.
 

mcdawg22

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Drinks were cheaper there than they were at Walk Ons the night before. $15 doubles aren’t bad. I don’t want to tell you what they were at the Orange Bowl. They were $24.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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Nov 12, 2016
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You are incorrect.

UL was given access to 40,975 tickets in the 100, 200 and 300 levels of the Superdome for Saturday. This is why the upper decks were closed off.

According to the 2-game agreement, UL receives 57 percent of net revenue from ticket sales while the State gets 43 percent of all ticket sales.

However, as the home team, UL “shall arrange for and pay all costs associated with utilizing the Superdome.”

State only received money from this deal, it cost us nothing. The fact is, ULL rolled the dice by “renting” the Superdome and came up losers.

By contrast, State cut ULL a check for $500K to come to Starkville last year.

Hey kb549.... who’s the dubmass now?
 
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ronpolk

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May 6, 2009
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No dubmass. Read before you reply. ULaLa can’t afford to rent the Superdome for their home game with us. Why would they? I guarantee you this game cost MSU a bunch of money. Someone had to rent it and I can’t fathom that ULaLa can afford to. My guess is we rented it (or went at least 75%) and asked for half the ticket sales - thinking we would make our money back. Why else would ULaLa give up playing in their home stadium?

If we put 40,000-50,000 in the Dome, the game is likely entirely different (we blow them out instead of squeaking by.) We were too quiet on their 3rd down plays. The announcer was keeping their crowd hyped with their first down cheers, which they had entirely too many of.

I think you’re just looking for something to ***** about. It was a fun game. I wish we played in the Superdome more often.
 

kb549

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Hey kb549.... who’s the dubmass now?

Both of us. And both athletic departments. You knew less about it than I did. I had no inclination to look it up, but I’m smart enough to know that we didn’t agree to a home (Starkville) and home (Lafayette). We knew they were going to do it in the Superdome. I’m man enough to admit that I was wrong about who paid for it.

ULaLa ADept is a dubmass for taking a gamble like that when they could have made 500k to 1M for playing someone on the road (maybe they are more solvent than USM, but with the state of LA in the shape it’s in, I would be surprised.) I get their history of Superdome attendance, but they should have factored in Decadence. Like it or not, some families didn’t attend because of it.

State ADept is a dubmass for gambling with a non-conference game like this. 43% of the ticket sales? Hell, we make more than what they pulled in on this turnout in $20 per car parking on game day. It’s not about the money for us (or I hope it’s not - LT, are you there?) Its a good idea to play in the Dome. If we can guarantee a home like crowd. Odds makers can swing the points +\-3 for home vs neutral, but the reality is we have a much better advantage at home with the bells.

And to those that enjoyed 72 degrees instead of 95. Me, too. But I’ll sweat a game out in 95 against a directional school for a W before I submit to being comfortable for a few hours to watch us get embarrassed by a G5. If someone (P5, G5, or God help us, Maine) comes to our house and beats us, ok. We take our L and hope we still make it to 6Ws. Look at 2016. Dan screwed around with the QB1 spot and we lost to South Alabama. Went 5-7 and only made a bowl because of academics. In the SECW, we need every G5 and D2 win we schedule. That leaves us with the SEC gauntlet and a P5. But buying $15 doubles and being a comfy 72 with 50/50 us/them split attendance is your idea of a good business decision? Maybe SEC football is not for you. This COULD have been a defacto home game for us. As soon as our fan base wants to attend these things, I’m in. Until then, this was a bad decision.
 

Awwhellnaw

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Our defense looked like crap but we all had a good time. I mean damn dude, NOLA+State football+not losing? Maybe you’re the problem.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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Had a good time. Away game. Neutral field. Great city. Indoors. Easy drive time for most fans. I was really disappointed in our crowd though. 11 am not great but not bad. Went out to quarter after game for late lunch. Hung out. Wasn’t really different than most other Saturday’s in the summer. Would you rather just play in the blistering heat in Lafayette? You have left at a decent hour 4-5 hours and still made it for kick off. No real tailgating there. We don’t really tailgate before 11am games anyway at home. But we had a great time after the game.
 

Todd4State

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Both of us. And both athletic departments. You knew less about it than I did. I had no inclination to look it up, but I’m smart enough to know that we didn’t agree to a home (Starkville) and home (Lafayette). We knew they were going to do it in the Superdome. I’m man enough to admit that I was wrong about who paid for it.

ULaLa ADept is a dubmass for taking a gamble like that when they could have made 500k to 1M for playing someone on the road (maybe they are more solvent than USM, but with the state of LA in the shape it’s in, I would be surprised.) I get their history of Superdome attendance, but they should have factored in Decadence. Like it or not, some families didn’t attend because of it.

State ADept is a dubmass for gambling with a non-conference game like this. 43% of the ticket sales? Hell, we make more than what they pulled in on this turnout in $20 per car parking on game day. It’s not about the money for us (or I hope it’s not - LT, are you there?) Its a good idea to play in the Dome. If we can guarantee a home like crowd. Odds makers can swing the points +\-3 for home vs neutral, but the reality is we have a much better advantage at home with the bells.

And to those that enjoyed 72 degrees instead of 95. Me, too. But I’ll sweat a game out in 95 against a directional school for a W before I submit to being comfortable for a few hours to watch us get embarrassed by a G5. If someone (P5, G5, or God help us, Maine) comes to our house and beats us, ok. We take our L and hope we still make it to 6Ws. Look at 2016. Dan screwed around with the QB1 spot and we lost to South Alabama. Went 5-7 and only made a bowl because of academics. In the SECW, we need every G5 and D2 win we schedule. That leaves us with the SEC gauntlet and a P5. But buying $15 doubles and being a comfy 72 with 50/50 us/them split attendance is your idea of a good business decision? Maybe SEC football is not for you. This COULD have been a defacto home game for us. As soon as our fan base wants to attend these things, I’m in. Until then, this was a bad decision.

How is MSU a dubmass? We made money. We avoided going to Lafayette which would have been one of their biggest games ever since they beat Texas A&M in 1996. We ended up having more fans there than they did. Our fans got to go to NOLA and it was convenient for most of our fanbase on the coast and in South Mississippi. The team benefitted too because we got to play a game away from Starkville in a NFL stadium which some of our players may never have the opportunity to do again and it will benefit us down the road- especially during bowl season which could be a similar environment. And it also means we only play four road games. We also expose the MSU brand to NOLA.

As for me I'd rather win in the Superdome with 17K dogs than lose to South Alabama. Like most people that aren't a dubmass.

And by the way- when we played Tulane at the Dome we brought a similar amount. If not less.
 

kb549

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How is MSU a dubmass? We made money. We avoided going to Lafayette which would have been one of their biggest games ever since they beat Texas A&M in 1996. We ended up having more fans there than they did. Our fans got to go to NOLA and it was convenient for most of our fanbase on the coast and in South Mississippi. The team benefitted too because we got to play a game away from Starkville in a NFL stadium which some of our players may never have the opportunity to do again and it will benefit us down the road- especially during bowl season which could be a similar environment. And it also means we only play four road games. We also expose the MSU brand to NOLA.

As for me I'd rather win in the Superdome with 17K dogs than lose to South Alabama. Like most people that aren't a dubmass.

And by the way- when we played Tulane at the Dome we brought a similar amount. If not less.

I used to think this board was full of relatively smart posters who could read and comprehend. I’m having my doubts lately.

We made money? No. We didn’t. Well, technically we might have. But the difference in what we “made” and what we would have made for a “pay your opponent” home game, we lost a lot of money.

There were $65 tickets and $25 tickets and some in between. Let’s call it $50 average for easy math. And let’s shoot a little high at 20,000 tickets sold. I’m taking DS at his word that it was 14,000 as of Thursday or Friday. Again, easy math. That’s $1,000,000. We got 43%? So $430,000 and none of the concession/parking? We chartered a flight. I haven’t rented an entire 737 since my bachelor party**** so I don’t know how much the cost of jet fuel has fluctuated in the past 18 years. Round trip, $50,000 give or take? So we are at $380,000. Band travel. Equipment travel. Other staff travel. Etc. Team stays in hotel either way, right? But New Orleans is probably a little more expensive? Plus all of the staff and band? $50-100,000? Think hotels, meals, renting meeting rooms to serve the meals in the hotels, and the like. $280,000. Misc expenses $30-50,000 is probably very conservative. So, we “made” $250,000 +/-. I doubt this, though. They talk about breaking even or losing money going to bowl games that pay out in the millions. I know this normally is more than a one night stay, but the logistics are much the same.

At a home game with guaranteed ticket sales from season ticket packages and other ticket sales, we probably take it $1,500,000-$2,000,000 ($35 per ticket, excluding student tickets but balanced with premium tickets). Concessions & parking - another $1,000,000+? Expenses (with the cost paying a directional school) $1M-$1.5M? Add some, take away some. Whatever. We lost money by playing in New Orleans.

But as I said in my other replies that you keyboard warriors didn’t read because you couldn’t wait to downvote and talk about what a fun time YOU had.....My wife and I had a fun time in the Dome. Stayed 2 nights in New Orleans. I think we should play there at least every other year. I was there when we played Tulane, too. If we haven’t learned our lesson about attendance against crappy opponents in the Dome, then WE need to be the one scheduling the game there and make it against Portland School of Hair and Cosmetology. I’m all for the player experience and the fan experience, but not at the cost of taking a loss to a Sun Belt/C-USA/AAC team that has a surrounding fan base. Open the season in the Dome vs. Stanford, Arizona, Oregon State, etc? Sure. In a few years if Joe keeps us on the right track.

I was there. I’ll be at TN. I’ll be at Auburn. I’m trying to make it to Arky. I’m not going to A&M because of a work trip. I try to do my part to support the team on the road. But you cockholsters hide behind your keyboard and think I’m just looking for something to ***** about or maybe “I’m the problem.” Whatever. This board is turning into Nafoom. You used to slobber all over a handful of regular posters, no matter what they said and practically ignored anyone you didn’t immediately recognize. That’s changed. You’re even turning on the high post count guys now. I’m beginning to think the upvote downvote was the worst thing to happen to this board. Downvotes have become a badge of honor to the trolls and only encourage them. Nonetheless, this is still the only State board I can read. God help me.
 

dawgstudent

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I have zero problems with State scheduling a 1 home and 1 away game and the away game being a neutral site game in New Orleans. I don't see how that is a problem. I'm not sure we can do buy games with decent programs because of the price they demand. The Abilene Christrian's of the world - yes. But even a program like ULL - their price is too high.
 
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HD6

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Just out of curiosity, how much money does the athletic department normally make when the team travels? Seems like even a dollar profit would be more.
 
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kb549 it seems as if your argument is to never play OOC opponents on the road. Fair enough, but that's a money issue, not a fan turnout issue. Guarantee you the AD has done the math on the 2 for 1s vs. buying out games in Starkville. And if we can play ULL/Tulane in NOLA, or USA in Mobile, or UAB in Birmingham, or even Memphis in Memphis, that is great because we recruit those areas. The risky ones are like Troy, Louisiana Tech, USM, etc.

As far as fan turnout, I doubt fans will turn out for these games at home, on the road, or at the neutral sites. We have a small fanbase. Saturday is about the best you can expect.

As far as P5 opponent neutral site games,, that ship has sailed for us. It didn't work in 2013. We have committed to playing the lesser P5 teams home/home (Kansas State, BYU, NC State, Arizona). Get on board, it's a done deal. Bitching about it is about as futile as bitching about Moorhead, when we know he will be here at least 3 more years most likely, no matter the results.
 
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