Just wondering if those two guys are friends. Davison obviously played for and did the color for Nebrasketball for most of Tim's tenure. Tom hired Miles. Tom and Davison are obviously tight. Davison I suspect has a huge voice in the athletic department even though his title says football. I wonder where Davison falls in the Miles discussion? Would Tom having hired Miles and Davison's time around Miles make Davison and maybe others in the athletic department more likely to support retaining Miles?
Davison's relationship with Miles?
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If this was a thing then Miles would have been locked up last summer. Instead, he was given a one year addition to his current contract.
Davison doesn’t seem like a dummy. Can’t imagine he sees any light at the end of the tunnel with Miles.
Davison doesn’t seem like a dummy. Can’t imagine he sees any light at the end of the tunnel with Miles.
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Did you mean played for nebraska. And did color?
You didn't mean he played during miles tenure, correct??
correct. Davison has done color I think for all of Miles's tenure and some for Sadler too I think.
He also played football and did color starting in 2008, and was actively involved in getting rid of Mike Riley. The only difference was he wasn't in the administration yet, but I imagine watching the basketball team fold like a cheap tent the way the football team did in 2017 has a similar sting.
I thought that's what you meant.
Hard to say. I am sure that his opinion is valued within the athletic department. But imo he would be smart to stick to football and only get involved in the BB side of things if someone came into his office and asked for his opinion
That's a interesting thought, my response is it shouldn't make a difference, imo that's be the problem with the athletic department for the last 20 years by making decisions off a ego or being cheap like tom instead of doing what is right.
Relationships are a huge part of what happens in business and athletics. Moos obviously has no ties to Miles. I'm just wondering how the rest of the athletic department feels about him. People often think things happen in a vacuum of wins and losses and they don't. There are other things that could influence future events.
I think this is what makes it hard. Miles is a nice guy. Great guy. The type that I have seen at functions with and without moos. Very personable and likes to socialize. The type of guy you wouldn't mind having as a neighbor or taking a vacation with.
But we've got to have success on the court.
The question for me about Miles is how does he treat his players? I didn't get the impression that Jacobsen and Morrow were malcontents. Even though I think we need to have better players than those 2 guys to win consistently in the B1G, them leaving hurt and there was not a very good explanation on why they would leave IF they liked Miles. Future playing time alone IF they like a coach and they feel like they're being treated well doesn't seem like it would make them leave.
Good point. There sure seems to be a disconnect somewhere. Sure haven't heard much about poison locker rooms etc.
Transfers are at ridiculous numbers, you get 13 scholarships and most coaches have 7-9 key players, that means 4-6 kids a year need to decide if they want to bust their hump to ride the bench with the understanding that the coach is probably recruiting over them at that point. Kids have a limited window to play, the notion that some people think kids owe some loyalty to a school to sit in n the bench is absurd.
I agree with your post BUT that doesn't explain Jacobsen, Morrow and Jordy leaving. Clearly the Horne kid could shoot and IF he had wanted to play defense he could probably be at least in the rotation right now. Horne didn't bother me too much but Jacobsen was a gut punch. Hell, Morrow at the time didn't bother me too much. He as always hurt and turned the ball over way too much. BUT when you lose starters, it seems there's something going on that needs fixed.
Here are the players who have transferred that I could find that are still playing somewhere.
Jeriah Horne @ Tulsa: 8.9 PPG, 4.4 RPG, .478 FG%, .412 3P%
Michael Jacobson @ ISU: 12.7 PPG, 6.2 RPG, .589 FG%, .344 3P%
Ed Morrow @ Marquette: 5.6 PPG, 3.7 RPG, .563 FG%, No 3P attempted
Xavier Johnson @ Pitt: 16.9 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 4.2 APG, .473 FG%, .418 3P%
Jack McVeigh @ Adelaide 36ers: 3.0 PPG, 2.0 RPG, 34 FG%, 14 3P%
Jordy Tshimanga @ Dayton:Redshirt year for transfer
Tarin Smith @ UConn: 8.3 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 2.1 APG, .446 FG%, .256 3P%
Bakari Evelyn @ Valpo: 9.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, .332 FG%, .319 3P%
Jeriah Horne @ Tulsa: 8.9 PPG, 4.4 RPG, .478 FG%, .412 3P%
Michael Jacobson @ ISU: 12.7 PPG, 6.2 RPG, .589 FG%, .344 3P%
Ed Morrow @ Marquette: 5.6 PPG, 3.7 RPG, .563 FG%, No 3P attempted
Xavier Johnson @ Pitt: 16.9 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 4.2 APG, .473 FG%, .418 3P%
Jack McVeigh @ Adelaide 36ers: 3.0 PPG, 2.0 RPG, 34 FG%, 14 3P%
Jordy Tshimanga @ Dayton:Redshirt year for transfer
Tarin Smith @ UConn: 8.3 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 2.1 APG, .446 FG%, .256 3P%
Bakari Evelyn @ Valpo: 9.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, .332 FG%, .319 3P%
Did Xavier Johnson ever actually make it to campus? Pretty sure he de-committed before he ever got here. He would have been a big help. Jacobsen clearly was the biggest loss. A big kid who worked his butt off, played hard AND could score some would have helped us immensely. It just smacks to me of something being wrong with the chemistry. I don't know if it was between Palmer, Cope, Morrow and Jacobsen OR if it was between Miles and the players. It's been rumored that Palmer isn't the most popular guy with his teammates. You can be the most talented team in the league (we're not even close to that) but if players aren't happy playing together it can be tough.
Do you think that one of the big differences between coaches like miles and say tom izzo Or coach K,is that They can manage the players egos much better? Yes I know izzo is a way better all around.
I could be wrong but didn't something happen very early on when Miles got here. Involving players not liking him? Something with him treating some unfair, acting crazy, and locking kids out of the locker room, making them change in the hallway.
That was a little strange and his disciplinary action was brought on by a lack of effort from his players. I can't imagine how frustrating trying to coach todays young players would be. Actually yes I can to some degree. That said, when listening to Miles I wonder if his approach seems pretty cool during recruiting but wears off after time in the gym. I don't know. One problem with trying to build a team with transfers is that they've already bailed on one team because they were unhappy or had a problem with a coach.
Izzo has a much larger natural recruiting base and a long time reputation as a great coach. Miles has neither to work with. Izzo also has a record of putting players in the NBA whether that was because of his coaching or not. Great players make great coaches and Miles in fact beat Izzo several times. You're right though, Miles's biggest deficiency appears to me to have to do with his relationship with his players whether that's managing egos, inspiring confidence or just motivating effort I don't know. Man I'm glad I've never had a message board ANALyzing my job performance.
I still hope I'm wrong, but it feels like it's going to be an easy decision. They're going to lose the majority of the rest of their games, miss the tourney by a wide margin, and it will be a foregone conclusion that Miles is gone. Does anyone see anything different happening based on the last month?
Not unless every media pundit is wrong about this being a make or break year for Miles. The standard at the minimum was an NCAA tourney bid. After watching PSU the other night, I don't think we beat them on their home floor. Believe it or not, there is very good talent even in the bottom feeders of the B1G this year. We could only dream of being as physical as most of the teams in the B1G and physicality does matter in this league the way it's officiated. I watched Harvard vs Yale last night and there is NO similarity in the way the game is officiated by their league officials. None. A foul is actually a foul. A travel is actually a travel. Amazing difference. Kind of refreshing to watch.
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He actually signed an LOI with Nebraska and asked out of his LOI in the summer when Kenya Hunter left. Personally, I don't think they should have let him out of his LOI as I don't think kids should be let out when an assistant leaves. I feel differently when a whole staff gets blown out.
That's what I was thinking BUT then you've got a malcontent on the bench for a year. That is of note, because when he backed out like that it really left a gaping hole in that recruiting class we weren't able to fill after signing day.
Dinglefritz do you make $2.5 million a year? If I could earn $2.5 million a year I’d be totally okay with a message board criticism.
Coaches are paid so much today because of the outside crap that comes with coaching. Basketball isn’t rocket science. The only worst thing then negative talk is dead silence and no one giving a rats ***. I grew up in a time that hardly anyone gave a rats *** about NU hoops. The Bob D arena wasn’t sold out every night. Far from it. And those were Danny N years who had a much much better record than Tammy. The program has very little going for it. It’s critical they don’t lose the little it has. And it’s close to doing that
No doubt criticism is invited by the size of the pay check and the visibility of the career. I still wouldn't want the job. Just like I'll never run for public office though I've been asked to do that many times. It's kind of my point. I wouldn't want the job and yet I'm on here criticizing the man who has it. That said, as a fan of the game, we've got some issues that lay directly at Miles's feet and I'm not sure he can fix them. I don't know if anybody else can do a better job. The OTHER issue is that IMO the constant speculation about Miles's job security is not a positive for the program. Iowa may have invited mediocrity in their football program by that insanely long contract and huge buyout for Ferentz but it absolutely nipped in the bud ANY talk of firing him. So what do you do? You either can him OR you make the decision that you're going all in on him and extend his contract. One or the other has to happen. No more half way one year extensions. Either make a commitment to the man or can him. One or the other has to happen or we'll continue to struggle to recruit the kind of talent we need.
I agree but I think the only way out is we can him. Maybe we will never have a coach that can pull Nebraska basketball into legitimize. Who can know that. But what we do know is Tim Miles in 7 years is barely above .500 and is far below .500 in conference. This team had talent. Enough talent to be an at large team. But it’s offense has taken a major nose dive and all signs point to coaching.
No one can make a case for retaining Tim Miles as a coach outside of being afraid of change. Nothing Tim has done as a coach supports him being a good coach or even an OK one.
Miles has a worse record than Doc Sadler did here, despite having facilities and fan support that Doc could only dream of. It's time to move on.
I would value Davison's opinion personally. He would know and understand what is going on behind the scenes with the players.
How Mark Boehm is still employed all these years is beyond me..
The arena won't be full next year, unless Moos can make a splash hire of some sort. We will be the worst team by far in the Big Ten next year.
Next year? I think we already are. We lose one guy to an injury and I think now we're the worst team in the league.
Unfortunately I think that case could have been made before then injury. The wheels were already spinning before Copeland went down