David turner interview

[horshack.sixpack]

Listened to him on weiner's show yesterday. Said several thing that I like:

1. Dan is very active in recruiting (but I'm sure the msg board lazy party line is more accurate***)
2. said that the staff losses did take some player relationships with them that affected recruiting
3. said that from the top down they try to honestly portray the program to kids and not to sell them on coming to MSU
4. said a bunch of other stuff I don't recall

I like David Turner. I like our approach of being honest and sincere. I like our on the field results with Dan. I'm pretty happy that he isn't a snake oil salesman. I like the fact that the guys that sign with us want to be a part of the way that we do things and are all dawg. I like that it results In our NFL players actuall acknowledging MSU. In summary I'm pretty happy that we are nothing like UM and I value that above signing day "victory"...

#hailstate

 

[Xenomorph]

Just for kicks... what if we experimented one recruiting year where we DID try to sell the kids on coming to MSU. You know... go the Kappa Sig route.

 

[Mafiadawg]

Do you not agree that sometimes you have to get them enrolled and then work on having the players "buy in"? I wasn't the same person at 17-18 that I was at 20. Talk about the fun and give them attention and once they are on campus instill the work ethic and bring them back to earth. These are kids, some don't want to hear how hard it is while being recruited.

 

[Xenomorph]

Army recruiting posters never show dudes cleaning the latrines.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Agree. I suspect they do that much. Been in business long enough to know that everybody doesn't belong on the same team regardless of talent. One of the biggest killers is overextending for some talented person who just isn't a fit. Bad for them. Bad for morale. Bad for the organization.

 

[aTotal360]

I think Mullen assumes that too much. It's why we are rarely in the game with players outside of the traditional MSU footprint. I think he's scared to ask the hot girl to the prom in fear of rejection. I really think he's intimidated by the whole process.

 

[Dawgtini]

Listened to him on weiner's show yesterday. Said several thing that I like:

1. Dan is very active in recruiting (but I'm sure the msg board lazy party line is more accurate***)
2. said that the staff losses did take some player relationships with them that affected recruiting
3. said that from the top down they try to honestly portray the program to kids and not to sell them on coming to MSU
4. said a bunch of other stuff I don't recall

I like David Turner. I like our approach of being honest and sincere. I like our on the field results with Dan. I'm pretty happy that he isn't a snake oil salesman. I like the fact that the guys that sign with us want to be a part of the way that we do things and are all dawg. I like that it results In our NFL players actuall acknowledging MSU. In summary I'm pretty happy that we are nothing like UM and I value that above signing day "victory"...

#hailstate

Bravo! Great to hear and good post.

 

[kired]

I think you're overthinking

 

[Shamoan]

said that from the top down they try to honestly portray the program to kids and not to sell them on coming to MSU

#hailstate

my one issue with this is the above. you have to sell a dream when you are talking recruiting. you sell every recruit best case scenario for them. im not saying lye to them, im saying give them their best case scenario. bama is selling a dream of a national title, om is selling a dream of a fun environment, etc, etc. what is our dream? "hey kid, come play for us and we will red shirt you for a year, let you learn the system, then, when the juniors/seniors in front of you have graduated or moved on to the nfl, then, you get your chance to shine and on top of that, you get your degree"

you dont sell the steak, you sell the sizzle and we focus on the steak too much. accentuate the positives, not slug them through reality for 90-95% of our recruits. sell them on being that 10-5%-er that plays as a freshmen because they are just too good to keep off the field. there is nothing wrong with that and is totally honest and if they kid is a as good as they think they are and have enough confidence in themself, they think they can see the field early (and a few of them are right). turner knows his ****, but i think we might be missing a bit on the philosophy of what we are selling because, lets face it, we are a .500 team with a national powerhouse 90 miles away and our instate rival is employing questionable tactics to get kids on campus. that is our reality and selling the reality of starkville and redshirting isnt going to work.

 

[coach66]

Well, I agree with a lot of that but we are not going to hoist many recruiting

trophy's with that approach and we need to get used to it. I heard the interview too and enjoyed it.

Frankly, I'd like to see us cast a wider net and promote things better than we do, we have a lot to be proud of and should not be skeered to promote it.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

Agree. I suspect they do that much. Been in business long enough to know that everybody doesn't belong on the same team regardless of talent. One of the biggest killers is overextending for some talented person who just isn't a fit. Bad for them. Bad for morale. Bad for the organization.

renardo sidney disagrees with this post.

 

[was21]

Good post. Also, bringing in Buckley and Sirmon who have recruiting success in other parts of the country may widen the recruiting footprint next year. Dan may have finally realized that owning the state of Mississippi approach won't work entirely, especially since it's not happening.

 

[RocketDawg]

Yeah, I think we have the name recognition now to go national and should do so. Get in there and compete with the big boys. And we've done that to an extent ... we got players from Florida and Indiana, and perhaps other places. But I think that effort should be expanded. And I also think we should go about looking for those that will not only qualify academically but do well in school (e.g., Dak). I'm not expecting all should be engineering majors, but they should also be decent college students.

I also agree that they should paint a true picture of what it's going to be like at MSU ... but there's nothing wrong with playing up the positives, such as the number of our players who go to the NFL ... and not bringing up the negatives unless asked. But I don't think you can go around promising immediate playing time unless you're pretty darn sure it's true.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

So to be clear, you are happy not selling our great university to prospective students???


Please sign out and don't come back.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Exactly. Great reading comprehension.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

This is our classic repeating debate: Which is better, evaluated & developed 2-3 Star prospects --vs.-- saturating your roster with 4-5 Star prospects?

MSU has had success with developing lower rated prospects---Jonathan Banks 3 Star CB, Josh Robinson 2 Star RB, K.J. Wright 2 Star QB that we turned into a LB, and Dak Prescott 3 Star QB.

Ole Miss has had success just filling their roster with high rated prospects---Threadwell, Nkemdiche, and Tunsil.

I would say that our way is much tougher and takes usually a Redshirt year and then a year where they are a backup and split playing time. Ole Miss's way is easier, they do miss on some prospects who turn out to be busts but they offer the appeal of early playing time to their signees.

 

[Shmuley]

Our recruiting approach is very effective in keeping us out of trouble with the ncaa. That's for damn sure. The same approach works for Vandy and Kentucky (in football).

 

[horshack.sixpack]

All I really said was I like what I heard. I'd love for the top 10 players in the state/nation/universe to come to state but if they don't I'm still pretty proud of the job our coaches are doing and how they are doing it.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

I wonder over the last say 20 yrs or so how much of our roster has been primarily in state kids vs out of state. It seems no matter who the coach is we try to do our shopping in state. Not saying anything is wrong with that but if you look at a lot of the more traditional powerhouses it seems they have a lot of kids from out of state sometimes a long way from home. There is a lot of talent in this state but it seems like we only recruit from about four or five states the most.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Agree. And if we were losing I'd be ready to do something different. Truth is i could retire if I had a $1 for every time I've read "next level" from msg boards. Meanwhile the our compadres up north are betting the farm year in and year out and their "level" hasn't changed. They haven't even made it to Atlanta...

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I'm sure the other schools are honestly portraying the situation. You know, tell the kids how if they suck they'll be put on medical scholarship and how they won't really get to play this fall as a freshman.

 

[ChinaDogSunflower]

Bless your heart

 

[Digging dog]

Good post. Also, bringing in Buckley and Sirmon who have recruiting success in other parts of the country may widen the recruiting footprint next year. Dan may have finally realized that owning the state of Mississippi approach won't work entirely, especially since it's not happening.

We were so busy guarding the front door from in state schools that we let alabama come right in through the back door.

 

[Dawgtini]

This is our classic repeating debate: Which is better, evaluated & developed 2-3 Star prospects --vs.-- saturating your roster with 4-5 Star prospects?

MSU has had success with developing lower rated prospects---Jonathan Banks 3 Star CB, Josh Robinson 2 Star RB, K.J. Wright 2 Star QB that we turned into a LB, and Dak Prescott 3 Star QB.

Ole Miss has had success just filling their roster with high rated prospects---Threadwell, Nkemdiche, and Tunsil.

I would say that our way is much tougher and takes usually a Redshirt year and then a year where they are a backup and split playing time. Ole Miss's way is easier, they do miss on some prospects who turn out to be busts but they offer the appeal of early playing time to their signees.

all of our cruits were 3 star are higher.. SMH Half were 4 or 5 starzzzz.