Dan Rather on Putin's puppet and intel....

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Stunned disbelief. Anxiety. A mounting sense of betrayal. These are the smoke signals rising from those in and around the United States intelligence community over President-elect Donald Trump's dismissal of the evidence of Russian hacking in the presidential election.

And now, in a series of tweets, Mr. Trump has taken the side of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange over the collective conclusion of those tasked with our national security. Assange, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity (who at this point must be considered a full-fledged propagandist and abetter) said he didn't get the information from Russia. Well if he says so... Let's just use that same standard for all of our adversaries. Nothing to see here. Why waste all these billions of dollars on intelligence gathering?

When it comes to our intelligence services, there must be many caveats. This work is more art than pure science, often picking out clues from a lot of noise. Our intelligence has been wrong in the past. The CIA and other organizations have overstepped their bounds at times, and their findings have been politicized (Iraq). Furthermore there is often a certain amount of dissent about many findings. I also must add that I have long felt we can benefit from taking a long, hard, and critical look at our intelligence apparatus, its structure, bureaucratic interferences, and fiefdoms. But in this case, those concerns are secondary as the agencies seem to be speaking largely in unison with the urgency of real evidence.

I have found the men and women who do these intelligence jobs to be serious about their line of work. Deadly serious. After all, when they are wrong people can and often do die. What do the vast network of people risking their lives undercover and in dangerous locals, men and women whose names we will never know, think of Mr. Trump's cavalier dismissal of their work? What about the thousands more at headquarters using their immense analytical skills in the service of country instead of, say, making millions on Wall Street? We need a robust intelligence force now more than ever. This is a matter of national security. It affects all Americans, and people around the world. Hopefully patriots within Mr. Trump's own party and in his inner circle will step up and tell the incoming president how dangerous this rhetoric is.

Heaven forbid we suffer another horrible attack. Heaven forbid our intelligence community was hollowed out, wasn't listened to or respected. These are the stakes.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Stunned disbelief. Anxiety. A mounting sense of betrayal. These are the smoke signals rising from those in and around the United States intelligence community over President-elect Donald Trump's dismissal of the evidence of Russian hacking in the presidential election.

And now, in a series of tweets, Mr. Trump has taken the side of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange over the collective conclusion of those tasked with our national security. Assange, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity (who at this point must be considered a full-fledged propagandist and abetter) said he didn't get the information from Russia. Well if he says so... Let's just use that same standard for all of our adversaries. Nothing to see here. Why waste all these billions of dollars on intelligence gathering?

When it comes to our intelligence services, there must be many caveats. This work is more art than pure science, often picking out clues from a lot of noise. Our intelligence has been wrong in the past. The CIA and other organizations have overstepped their bounds at times, and their findings have been politicized (Iraq). Furthermore there is often a certain amount of dissent about many findings. I also must add that I have long felt we can benefit from taking a long, hard, and critical look at our intelligence apparatus, its structure, bureaucratic interferences, and fiefdoms. But in this case, those concerns are secondary as the agencies seem to be speaking largely in unison with the urgency of real evidence.

I have found the men and women who do these intelligence jobs to be serious about their line of work. Deadly serious. After all, when they are wrong people can and often do die. What do the vast network of people risking their lives undercover and in dangerous locals, men and women whose names we will never know, think of Mr. Trump's cavalier dismissal of their work? What about the thousands more at headquarters using their immense analytical skills in the service of country instead of, say, making millions on Wall Street? We need a robust intelligence force now more than ever. This is a matter of national security. It affects all Americans, and people around the world. Hopefully patriots within Mr. Trump's own party and in his inner circle will step up and tell the incoming president how dangerous this rhetoric is.

Heaven forbid we suffer another horrible attack. Heaven forbid our intelligence community was hollowed out, wasn't listened to or respected. These are the stakes.
Ahhhhh nothing like the hypocrisy of the left. It keeps me warm during these cold winter months.
 

BombadEER

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This has been going on for years and the Democrats have hand cuffed the intelligence community. It's A little hypocritical all of a sudden to Democrats are on their side.
 

bamaEER

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Shooting the messenger, not the message. Media safe spaces. It's not like you guys are slowly turning in to liberals we are at full speed ahead with 2 weeks before the inauguration.
I'm banking that days or months after the inauguration, when the Biff show is in full swing, the more intelligent of Trump's supporters will stop and say "Oh crap, what the **** did we do?". They're still in Hillary bashing mode.
 
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WVMade

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This has been going on for years and the Democrats have hand cuffed the intelligence community. It's A little hypocritical all of a sudden to Democrats are on their side.
Are you saying it's not "hypocritical" of Republicans to be on the side of the Russians and Assange?
 

TarHeelEer

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Shooting the messenger, not the message. Media safe spaces. It's not like you guys are slowly turning in to liberals we are at full speed ahead with 2 weeks before the inauguration.

Just yesterday I was told to look at each person and determine their motive. Rather's is rather obvious.
 

Mntneer

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Shooting the messenger, not the message. Media safe spaces. It's not like you guys are slowly turning in to liberals we are at full speed ahead with 2 weeks before the inauguration.

When the messenger is a proven liar... yeah, you shoot t he messenger and ignore the message.
 

Airport

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Rather pulled a Brian Williams level booboo. Not just poor reporting, not just misleading stories, actually making **** up out of thin air.

Did Mary Mapes write the story again?[winking]
 
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DvlDog4WVU

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Shooting the messenger, not the message. Media safe spaces. It's not like you guys are slowly turning in to liberals we are at full speed ahead with 2 weeks before the inauguration.
Did you quote me as an accident? I've not said a word about Media Safe spaces
 

WVUCOOPER

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Did you quote me as an accident? I've not said a word about Media Safe spaces
I do not make accidents/mistakes. I didn't say all of you people were doing all of those things, just a listing of of what I've seen from you and/or your kind.
 

WVUCOOPER

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If you're referring to Wikileaks, have they been proven to be lying? Has the DNC even ever denied that the emails were true?

It's apples to oranges.
I believe the post was about the intelligence community and Trump. Are we debating on whether he is a proven liar or not?

You'd be upset if Russia pretended to hack and released fake information to sway an election, but not if they actually hacked in an effort to sway an election? I'd be pissed either way.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Rather pulled a Brian Williams level booboo. Not just poor reporting, not just misleading stories, actually making **** up out of thin air.

OK, but there are lot of examples of that as well, including our president-elect.

"I would have won the popular vote too if not for the 2-3 million illegal voters"
"the unemployment rate is more like 35%"
etc. etc.

And past presidents
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"Iraq has WMD's"
"if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
(although, come to think of it, your plan would save us a ton of money on secret service protection)

And then there's about half the stuff that comes out of Hannity's mouth (although he is not really a journalist/reporter so his statements should be classified as editorials at best), and the times that Fox News and CNN and MSNBC have told blatant lies and then had to go back and retract. (Rather and Williams have already been mentioned so no need to include their networks again)
 

Mntneer

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OK, but there are lot of examples of that as well, including our president-elect.

"I would have won the popular vote too if not for the 2-3 million illegal voters"
"the unemployment rate is more like 35%"
etc. etc.

And past presidents
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
"Read my lips, no new taxes"
"Iraq has WMD's"
"if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
(although, come to think of it, your plan would save us a ton of money on secret service protection)

And then there's about half the stuff that comes out of Hannity's mouth (although he is not really a journalist/reporter so his statements should be classified as editorials at best), and the times that Fox News and CNN and MSNBC have told blatant lies and then had to go back and retract. (Rather and Williams have already been mentioned so no need to include their networks again)

What sets Rather apart for me if the fact that they actually forged a document and then passed it off as legit.
 

WVMade

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Is that you cuntrytard?

Дейв, вам шматок Боягуз лайно і російських маріонетка

 

CAJUNEER_rivals

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Stunned disbelief. Anxiety. A mounting sense of betrayal. These are the smoke signals rising from those in and around the United States intelligence community over President-elect Donald Trump's dismissal of the evidence of Russian hacking in the presidential election.

And now, in a series of tweets, Mr. Trump has taken the side of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange over the collective conclusion of those tasked with our national security. Assange, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity (who at this point must be considered a full-fledged propagandist and abetter) said he didn't get the information from Russia. Well if he says so... Let's just use that same standard for all of our adversaries. Nothing to see here. Why waste all these billions of dollars on intelligence gathering?

When it comes to our intelligence services, there must be many caveats. This work is more art than pure science, often picking out clues from a lot of noise. Our intelligence has been wrong in the past. The CIA and other organizations have overstepped their bounds at times, and their findings have been politicized (Iraq). Furthermore there is often a certain amount of dissent about many findings. I also must add that I have long felt we can benefit from taking a long, hard, and critical look at our intelligence apparatus, its structure, bureaucratic interferences, and fiefdoms. But in this case, those concerns are secondary as the agencies seem to be speaking largely in unison with the urgency of real evidence.

I have found the men and women who do these intelligence jobs to be serious about their line of work. Deadly serious. After all, when they are wrong people can and often do die. What do the vast network of people risking their lives undercover and in dangerous locals, men and women whose names we will never know, think of Mr. Trump's cavalier dismissal of their work? What about the thousands more at headquarters using their immense analytical skills in the service of country instead of, say, making millions on Wall Street? We need a robust intelligence force now more than ever. This is a matter of national security. It affects all Americans, and people around the world. Hopefully patriots within Mr. Trump's own party and in his inner circle will step up and tell the incoming president how dangerous this rhetoric is.

Heaven forbid we suffer another horrible attack. Heaven forbid our intelligence community was hollowed out, wasn't listened to or respected. These are the stakes.
 

Mntneer

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Like Trump's doctor's letter stating he'd be the healthiest president ever? :)

Listen.... let me tell you.... he is incredibly healthy.... he's so healthy his blood heals the sick.... bigly.... okay.... because... people say.... you hear them saying it.... Donald Trump is the healthiest man alive.... and who's gonna pay for that wall?!
 

wvu2007

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Stunned disbelief. Anxiety. A mounting sense of betrayal. These are the smoke signals rising from those in and around the United States intelligence community over President-elect Donald Trump's dismissal of the evidence of Russian hacking in the presidential election.

And now, in a series of tweets, Mr. Trump has taken the side of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange over the collective conclusion of those tasked with our national security. Assange, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity (who at this point must be considered a full-fledged propagandist and abetter) said he didn't get the information from Russia. Well if he says so... Let's just use that same standard for all of our adversaries. Nothing to see here. Why waste all these billions of dollars on intelligence gathering?

When it comes to our intelligence services, there must be many caveats. This work is more art than pure science, often picking out clues from a lot of noise. Our intelligence has been wrong in the past. The CIA and other organizations have overstepped their bounds at times, and their findings have been politicized (Iraq). Furthermore there is often a certain amount of dissent about many findings. I also must add that I have long felt we can benefit from taking a long, hard, and critical look at our intelligence apparatus, its structure, bureaucratic interferences, and fiefdoms. But in this case, those concerns are secondary as the agencies seem to be speaking largely in unison with the urgency of real evidence.

I have found the men and women who do these intelligence jobs to be serious about their line of work. Deadly serious. After all, when they are wrong people can and often do die. What do the vast network of people risking their lives undercover and in dangerous locals, men and women whose names we will never know, think of Mr. Trump's cavalier dismissal of their work? What about the thousands more at headquarters using their immense analytical skills in the service of country instead of, say, making millions on Wall Street? We need a robust intelligence force now more than ever. This is a matter of national security. It affects all Americans, and people around the world. Hopefully patriots within Mr. Trump's own party and in his inner circle will step up and tell the incoming president how dangerous this rhetoric is.

Heaven forbid we suffer another horrible attack. Heaven forbid our intelligence community was hollowed out, wasn't listened to or respected. These are the stakes.

 

bamaEER

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Listen.... let me tell you.... he is incredibly healthy.... he's so healthy his blood heals the sick.... bigly.... okay.... because... people say.... you hear them saying it.... Donald Trump is the healthiest man alive.... and who's gonna pay for that wall?!
Good god you sound just like him.
 

Mntneer

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Good god you sound just like him.

It's because I'm fabulous.... okayy..... people are telling me that ..... they're telling me... and you've heard this before right.... they're telling me that I am a really really smart man.... and we have too many stupid people running things.
 

WhiteTailEER

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Listen.... let me tell you.... he is incredibly healthy.... he's so healthy his blood heals the sick.... bigly.... okay.... because... people say.... you hear them saying it.... Donald Trump is the healthiest man alive.... and who's gonna pay for that wall?!

LOL ... well done
 

Boomboom521

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It's because I'm fabulous.... okayy..... people are telling me that ..... they're telling me... and you've heard this before right.... they're telling me that I am a really really smart man.... and we have too many stupid people running things.
You got that **** down tight!
 

WhiteTailEER

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It's because I'm fabulous.... okayy..... people are telling me that ..... they're telling me... and you've heard this before right.... they're telling me that I am a really really smart man.... and we have too many stupid people running things.

I'm going to give you a C+ on this one ... to reach A status there needs to be a couple "like's" in there.
It's because I'm like fabulous
They're telling me that I am like, a really really man
 
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It's because I'm fabulous.... okayy..... people are telling me that ..... they're telling me... and you've heard this before right.... they're telling me that I am a really really smart man.... and we have too many stupid people running things.
you need to throw a "believe me" in there a few times