Yea I didn’t any of this. When you’ve identified an idiot it’s best to leave them to their own devices.
Dan Hurley - Nate Oats
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Yea I didn’t any of this. When you’ve identified an idiot it’s best to leave them to their own devices.
People care too much about styles. As long as it’s not Tony Bennett’s offense or Calipari’s offense, just win. Yes you prefer the most exciting style but it doesn’t have to be. Coach K didn’t have a run and gun in your face style and would still be exciting because he utilized the 3 point line for most of his career.
Okay so I just want to take a minute and say something about this point being made right here... I'm not tryin to pick on you LakerCat.. it's just I see this point being made anytime ppl talk about hiring coaches. And this is also not about Bruce Pearl or any other coach I might name to get my point across but maybe 20 yrs ago I would understand your point and I'd probably agree that 62 yrs old is too old to hire a coach and if he couldn't be at the school for 6-7 yrs then forget hiring him.
It's all a different thing now in 2022, though. Its changing every year and with players coming and going and coaches doing the same then I say if you're school's struggling and have the opportunity to hire a guy like a Pearl or Pitino's old 70 yr old *** for 1or 2 yrs, then hire them (it's not like we have very many rules to go by now) or any coach who's gonna put you back on top provided that they won't make an *** out of your program and break all the rules they can break. That parts not ok. Also, Im not suggesting I want them at UK but all I'm saying is if you can't get a young coach you want at any given moment, but you can still get the coach who is a proven winner and can still get it done even if he has to change his pampers at halftime
then what difference does it make to hire the old man headed to nursing home in a couple of years if he can still get your school back on top in 1-2 yrs or at least get it in better shape than it was the year before he arrived and then you can always take it from there. It's all gonna look completely different anyways every 1 or 2 years at every P5 school, if not all D1 schools alone. The days of rebuilding are over a long period of time are over. I understand you want stability for recruiting but **** them guys are only gonna be around short term as well til they get drafted or mad and jump in the Portal so I don't see what difference it makes about hiring an old *** coach if he can still get it done. Even if only for 1 or 2 years.
Neither is a good fit. These threads are so predictable. Alabama wins at Houston. Oats is now the flavor of the week.
Yeah they probably do make a little bit to much out of it at times but then again I don't know that I'd wanna sit through a Tony Bennett coached game with a 52-50 victory every night. Like Tubby.. I hated his style most years. I actually liked that style with the Fitch & Daniels teams though. I like a coach who not scared to cut the duece loose. I hate a coach who acts scared to death to let his team take a shot. I come to watch basketball, not soccer.
. I hate a grind it out boring style that feels like it takes 7 hours to play one game. These coaches who have the mentality to just keep it close til the end and maybe we have a chance to win can get old quick.No there’s no flavor of the week, terms made up by Calipari sycophants every time someone notices there are better coaches winning games he’s not winning.
How long are some of you going to play at these tired lines. Calipari beats no one that matters. If coaches that do are a “flavor of the month” then sign me up for the news letter.
1-11 Calipari’s last games vs. top 25. Losing record over the last 50. He sucks, to hell with these stupid sayings about coaches who are better. Just get him out.
Wouldn’t it be nice if you could call Calipari a “flavor of the week” instead of putting down other coaches winning games? Some of you have to be tired of propping up Calipari all day like a lifetime of Weekend at Bernies because you can’t point to results and you know it.
Exactly CCC has changed the culture at KY and not in a good way. Remember he said draft night was the greastest night in KY Basketball. Winning games and Titles are secondary to him.
That may be correct but probably is not. You want a hungry Coach that doesn’t like too lose and wants too be the best. Both in my opinion seem to fit that mold.
Drew didnt and couldnt have a team when he first started. Baylor had received the death penalty (I believe). It took a while to build the program coming off severe NCAA sanctions. I am looking at his last ten years. Very few coaches can match his resume during that stretch. K, Roy, Cal and possibly Self. Hurley has the experience and I love his style of play. LLoyd has a lot of coaching experience but not as a head coach. I really like what I see from him and his teams though. . Not against Oats at all. He is just not the one I would look to going forward.
You’re arguing the Cal cult. They don’t care about what is true; they’ve got their talking points to try and minimize others and legitimize Calipari. It’s essentially a waste of time. The real fans inside of the fan base will have to drag them along they have absolutely no understanding of what makes UK, UK. I think a lot of them are slower in my opinion which is fine, not everyone is the same.
But he doesn't live and die by the three. He did two years ago, but that was because he didn’t have a legit big guy.
Alabama is shooting 20-25 threes per game this year.
You literally said Beard and Oates live and die by the 3, did misundersand?
Who's on your list then? Cal isn’t going to coach here forever.
It’s easy to **** on everyone else's list, where's yours?
No: Beard, Oates (live and die by the 3’s)
Was meant for Oates, hence the quotations. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
He was allowed to have a team every year, they were banned from the post season through 2007. They were in the E8 in 2010 and 2012. Then they didn't go again until 2021. So, what exactly has he won the last 10 years?
Hurley has coached 11 years and has never been past the 2nd rd.
Lloyd has been a head coach for 1 year and it was a team he inherited.
Nate Oats has never been past a sweet sixteen and he's only been to one of those.
Any of those names are horrible hires currently.
It's easy to **** on a bad list, such as yours! Create a good list and people won't **** on it.
And Cal hasn't done jack the last 7 years. If you can't see that he's slipping then no one can help you. Keep living in the past.
Bama just this year!
Vs Liberty, 22 of their 52 shots were from 3.
Vs Longwood, 28 of 69 were from 3.
vs S Bama, 35 of 68 were from 3.
Vs JSU, 46 of 66 shots were from 3
Vs Uconn, 16 of 50 were from 3
Vs UNC 38 of 90 were from 3
Vs SDST 40 of 68 were from 3
Vs Houston 23 of 54 were from 3
Vs MSU 23 of 63 were from 3
So, when exactly did OATS change philosophies? And more importantly, where in the hell did you conclude that?
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Who is arguing otherwise? However, disliking Cal in the job doesn't mean I support making an equally bad hire.
All of the names tossed around in here so far would be bad, desperation hires.
You literally said Alabama shoots 20-25 threes per game this year.
Actually through 9 games they have taken 271 threes and made 94. An average of 30 per game while making just over 10 per game. That’s too many threes considering they have a legit big guy. IMO.
Dan Hurley took over at 13-17. The next season 25-6
Dan Hurley took over at 8-21. His last season, 26-8
Dan Hurley took over at 16-17. His last full season 23-10. This season his team is 11-0.
Dan Hurley seems to do pretty well once he gets his system implemented. He'll only be 50 in January. Considering his own success with his having learned coaching in part from his HOF father you'd have to think he'd be successful coaching here.
Dan Hurley took over at 8-21. His last season, 26-8
Dan Hurley took over at 16-17. His last full season 23-10. This season his team is 11-0.
Dan Hurley seems to do pretty well once he gets his system implemented. He'll only be 50 in January. Considering his own success with his having learned coaching in part from his HOF father you'd have to think he'd be successful coaching here.
All well and good, and I agree except for one thing. It’s been 7 years (yes, my opinion) since we needed to release Cal’s nutsack. Some can’t do it yet. It’s like it’s super glue. And it’s the folks doing the change that I’m speaking of, not Bass or Edd. Penthouse could cover them for 10 years and never show a tit. Hiring a coach for a couple years to stabilize the program? Not happening I’m afraid. We’re superglued.Okay so I just want to take a minute and say something about this point being made right here... I'm not tryin to pick on you LakerCat.. it's just I see this point being made anytime ppl talk about hiring coaches. And this is also not about Bruce Pearl or any other coach I might name to get my point across but maybe 20 yrs ago I would understand your point and I'd probably agree that 62 yrs old is too old to hire a coach and if he couldn't be at the school for 6-7 yrs then forget hiring him.
It's all a different thing now in 2022, though. Its changing every year and with players coming and going and coaches doing the same then I say if you're school's struggling and have the opportunity to hire a guy like a Pearl or Pitino's old 70 yr old *** for 1or 2 yrs, then hire them (it's not like we have very many rules to go by now) or any coach who's gonna put you back on top provided that they won't make an *** out of your program and break all the rules they can break. That parts not ok. Also, Im not suggesting I want them at UK but all I'm saying is if you can't get a young coach you want at any given moment, but you can still get the coach who is a proven winner and can still get it done even if he has to change his pampers at halftime
The days of rebuilding are over a long period of time are over. I understand you want stability for recruiting but **** them guys are only gonna be around short term as well til they get drafted or mad and jump in the Portal so I don't see what difference it makes about hiring an old *** coach if he can still get it done. Even if only for 1 or 2 years.
Last year it was only 262 through 9 games. So Bama is actually averaging more 3's attempted this year. Somehow, @kyjeff1 thinks they are taking less.
I am not really interested in a new coach. I just posted my opinion to the question of who I would want. I will just say you, for some reason, want to beat this thing to death. Everything you said in your post is flawed. Lloyd did inherit a program, who doesnt?, but he added to his first team and greatly added to this years team. He has also shown strong player and team development during his short tenure.
Oats, I really have no interest in discussing. Not against him but we can do better.
Drew, after his first 5 years of sanctions, has had his team ranked for most of the time. Baylor was a #1 seed in 2020 when the tournament was called off. I dont know how you didnt know that. Like my mom used to tell me, " you need to stop broadcasting so much and tune in more".
Lol, if it was true, what was flawed about it?
What has Lloyd won so far? Who is his best development story?
Oats is awful.
Drew has had 1 championship team. He has also only been past the Sw16 once in the past decade. Just being a 1 seed doesn't mean squat. We were a 2 seed last year and got bounced in round 1. VA got bounced as a 1 just 4 years ago.
In his 20 years at Baylor, Drew has never won a big 12 tournament and only has was the regular big 12 season twice. His 1 good year happened to come during covid, when no fans were allowed. There's just not a lot to like about his overall resume. Take out the 1 good year, what's left? If a 20+ yr resume is reliant on 1 good season, it's not a good resume.
I guess I'm wondering why any of this can possibly matter now. Just seems like a counterproductive distraction. Although I am very disappointed and tired of Calipari's stubbornness and other counterproductive idiosyncrasies, he will definitely be at UK this season and next, at the very least, unless he develops a serious health problem, enters the priesthood, or becomes an agent. His contract situation with UK is such that removing him from the job, if it comes to that, will require almost a consensus of UK's Board of Governors to negotiate and finalize. Internet posters don't have skin in the game, and can say anything out of frustration. But executive management does not work like that. Although Calipari talks and coaches like a distracted man, he still recruits like an elite hall of famer. That means executive opinions about his value will take some time to settle. With DJ Wagner, Aaron Bradshaw, and Justin Edwards in the pipeline, it is likely that some (not all) members of the Board still view Calipari as an asset. Due to the polarizing numbers involved in a decision to actually buy Calipari out, building that kind of a consensus on the Board will require Calipari to underperform again this coming March and then screw up next year's star studded team too. That would probably do it, but we are talking about a 2-3 year political and financial process.
So while I think Calipari is burned out and has probably shot his wad (so to speak) at UK, he is still in the driver's license seat because of that contract. Unless he decides he wants to leave, getting him out will be a more difficult than most of us would think. He can be bought out, but that will require a whole lot of money and some real determination from the Board.
Let's be clear. Anyone can see Mitch is tired of Calipari's act. You could see that in the blowback after Calipari made the "basketball school" statement. But Mitch will need to line up the entire Board Committee on Athletics and all of the influential Board members if he wants Calipari out. Then, if Calipari takes another coaching job and does well at his next stop, that could be a career killer for everyone involved in forcing him out.
You can forget about Hurley ever making any candidate list at UK. Hurley is a Duke man to his core. That will never fly with our Board. Nate Oats is an outstanding coach. But the politics of hiring a coach from inside the conference is different now than it was when CM Newton hired Tubby away from GA more than 2 decades ago. GA was able to hire Mike White because FL was ready to fire him. But pulling Oats away from AL would take more than just a truckload of money. It would be complicated, and would piss off AL bigtime. But by the time UK's next basketball coaching search happens, there will be a brand new list of likely candidates anyway.
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What's Hurley's best finish to a season?
Probably last season with UConn. They finished 21st. This season is obviously TBD. Wherever he's gone he's been successful at turning the program around. UConn is his first big gig.
They went out in the first rd just like us.
He has been at Uconn 4 full seasons now. 2 of them Uconn didn't even make the tournament, and in the other 2 they got bounced in the first rd. Only 2 of his 11 teams didn't have double-digit losses by seasons end.
I am not sure why some are so high on Uconn this year. Their best win is against Bama, which is also their only top 25 win.
well, since you both joined at the same time I'm calling sock accounts. Who are you really? Because you both have the same argument. You must be posting from 2 different devices?
It's the same person. When you create a new free account, you are limited to 10 posts per day for the first several days. I created 2 names to get around that.
No. You only need multiple browsers, not devices.
Some of you all could benefit from a technology course.
Last sentence says it all. It’s never “well who do you replace him with”? There’s always possibilities better than most think. They didn’t quit making good coaches in 2012. Take a chance, hell, it’s always a chance anyway.
Go through the games where they shot 30 or more threes, those were high possession games where they shot more 2's. Take a look at the box score in their uNC game.
When 3's are going in at a high rate, why would you stop shooting them?
They're shooting 34% from 3 on the year. What game are you saying they were hot from 3 in?